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Alan Smithee posted:How close is Turkey to India? I feel like you can't have a thanksgviing turkey until a lot of Indians are killed Well, you're firing things eastward of course, so you get a bonus. Meh, I say you could do it with a skud, but you might fall short and hit Pakistan.
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IronClaymore posted:If modern military action has taught us anything, it's that that taxpayer is willing to pay certain costs, for certain illusions of security. the unit cost of a hellfire is $70,000 to $110,000 depending on who you ask. it's a lot more than 30 dollars in raw materials- at least a couple thousand for the optics, especially missles that actually hit things and don't blow up randomly are hard
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IronClaymore posted:Really, what are Hellfire missiles made of? So you are saying all of the design, engineering, refining, manufacture of components, assembly of components, testing, training and transport should in no way be factored into the cost of something?
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 16:43 |
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can't we get some half retarded taiwanese child to make them?
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 16:44 |
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Robo Reagan posted:can't we get some half retarded taiwanese child to make them? if you want something vaguely shaped like a missile that doesn't work, sure
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Fat Lowtax posted:Happy Thanksgiving!
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IronClaymore posted:If modern military action has taught us anything, it's that that taxpayer is willing to pay certain costs, for certain illusions of security. seriously you are one goddamned stupid motherfucker
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 16:47 |
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How come prostitutes are so expensive when our bodies are just bags of calcium, water and amino acids probably priced at around 20 cents in raw material?
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 16:52 |
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:if you want something vaguely shaped like a missile that doesn't work, sure well we have something vaguely shaped like a plane that doesn't work and we've spent 35 billion on that so why not
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 16:52 |
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I'm going to need a breakdown. Kurds are attacking ISIS, so that's good for US? But Turks are attacking Kurds? Are they against ISIS and want it done separately from the Kurds? How does the US feel about Turkey and Russia? How does everyone else feel about them? Don't a lot of people want Russia to do the murder work of fighting ISIS?
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Convergence posted:the unit cost of a hellfire is $70,000 to $110,000 depending on who you ask. it's a lot more than 30 dollars in raw materials- at least a couple thousand for the optics, especially I love that they can charge so much for precision optics. I'd have a quip for this if I was still a Marxist, and an even ruder quip if I was still a classical capitalist, but now I simply find it amusing. No really, I'm sure they are excellent electronics and optics, I don't doubt that. The costs do add up of course. And yes for reasons of vaguely defined security excuses we can't look too deeply into the finances of the companies that manufacture devices that the public demand are used to kill people we suspect to be villains. [No pacifist slight intended, that was pure legalese.] But is the work really worth that much? A $500 phone is ridiculously more complicated and sophisticated than any missile from the 80s, and the Chinese manufacturers of those phones are still making good profits, so the raw materials can't be much. Most of the rest of a missile is cheap metal and chemicals, you're right though maybe it does have a little bit of precision optics. I'd love to be the CEO of the company that assembles the thing. Are the optics seriously going to cost a year's pay? I'd assemble the thing myself, make a bundle.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 16:55 |
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CNN just showed a video of a bunch of guys screaming allah akbar and shooting at the parachutes. I really wish they'd occasionally scream something else, its getting old.
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i dont get why cars are so expensive its just a bunch of metal and rubber parts that you pour gas in and stick a battery into i could build one in an afternoon i bet and save myself thousands of dollars
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InterFaced posted:CNN just showed a video of a bunch of guys screaming allah akbar and shooting at the parachutes. I really wish they'd occasionally scream something else, its getting old. So what is the Kurds on the turkey border diplomatic status with turkey? In terms of civ5 please
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IronClaymore posted:I love that they can charge so much for precision optics. I'd have a quip for this if I was still a Marxist, and an even ruder quip if I was still a classical capitalist, but now I simply find it amusing. No really, I'm sure they are excellent electronics and optics, I don't doubt that. ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:seriously you are one goddamned stupid motherfucker
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InterFaced posted:CNN just showed a video of a bunch of guys screaming allah akbar and shooting at the parachutes. I really wish they'd occasionally scream something else, its getting old. I think it's a meme. They only scream that when they know they're being recorded. Otherwise they're silent. ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:seriously you are one goddamned stupid motherfucker Yeah...you know, it'd be nice to be less stupid. It's fun to be left in the dark because of genuine reasons, like what the actual reducing agent is in a tactical missile because my source is from the 70s and what they use now is a trade secret. It's cool in a more general sense to live in a place where the government cares enough to have classified poo poo going on. But more practically it'd be nice to know how much biologics medicine is being deprived of people because we're shooting missiles at other people. Just as a thing, you know. Like, if they said, "Ok, we can drop this JDAM on a suspected fuel truck, probably empty and driven by teenagers forced at gunpoint to drive it, or we can spend the same amount of money on saving these two guys dying of cancer, what do you want?" IronClaymore fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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It's a good thing I've been binge watching doomsday preppers lately.
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ethanol posted:So what is the Kurds on the turkey border diplomatic status with turkey? In terms of civ5 please the ottomans have open borders with the kurds b/c they allied with america 60 turns ago
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IronClaymore posted:I think it's a meme. They only scream that when they know they're being recorded. Otherwise they're silent. muslims have a pretty abusive relationship with allah basically like christians i was watching a docu and this sniper guy fighting assad's dudes said every time he fired and the bullet hit someone it was allah firing the gun and not him so if that's true why doesnt allah just murder gently caress all those guys or maybe not put those guys in that situation in the first place someone should write a strongly worded letter
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 17:02 |
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The pilot who shot the plane down must feel baller. It's the first air to air combat since what, Korea?
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Grem posted:The pilot who shot the plane down must feel baller. It's the first air to air combat since what, Korea? It don't count when it's a team kill
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Grem posted:The pilot who shot the plane down must feel baller. It's the first air to air combat since what, Korea? depends, is turkey one of those muslim countries where you can get hella laid or is another durka durka we're mad all the time no fun allowed muslim countries?
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Robo Reagan posted:depends, is turkey one of those muslim countries where you can get hella laid or is another durka durka we're mad all the time no fun allowed muslim countries? Turkey's internal debate is between being a secular country and being a repressive shithole. So it really depends on where you are in the country.
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Robo Reagan posted:depends, is turkey one of those muslim countries where you can get hella laid or is another durka durka we're mad all the time no fun allowed muslim countries? I see a lot of hot bitches on periscope there who aren't wearing durka burkas so I think you can get your jerka twerka'd
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 17:09 |
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I can confirm that dominantly kurdish eastern Anatolia is awesome, anywhere west / populated by actual Turks is a shithole of monumental proportions. gently caress the Turks.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 17:10 |
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Erdogan wants to bring back the Caliphate of the Ottoman Empire and all the like-minded eligible for aid. At the same time Russia seeks to restore its influence in the world and the USA, and Western European leaders, led constructed in the EU federal state. China is also seeking more aggressively to expand its influence. Democratic is more or less break in the world, if some have yet been detected. Media full of propaganda and investigative journalism abolished by running media houses plight. History reading can draw conclusions on the future ...
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Rime posted:
Indeed
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 17:10 |
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Why is Turkey constantly being fuckass agitators? Like constantly nonstop? gently caress those guys kick them out of NATO imo.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 17:16 |
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Wow I was way wrong, planes have been lost in air to air combat alot since Korea.
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This is nobody's business but the Turks.
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Pretty much shot the pilot to shreds as he floated to the ground. this must feel bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IZ-TALZtGw
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 17:18 |
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Also that dude is right it's called economies of scale and poo poo idiots. If they've been making a missile since the 80s there's no way it still costs the same amount of money to manufacture today than it did when they were first run. That's just basic. If you ever find yourself on the side of an argument going 'nah the military-industrial complex isn't price gouging' then check yourself because lmao.
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They also shot one of the helicopters sent in to rescue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IschF-ihjS0 edit - as previously mentioned but not posted dZPnJOm8QwUAseApNj fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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Fargo Fukes posted:It's worth pointing out here that for once the West didn't actually cause the mess in Syria. Our, good, strong, secular, friendly dictator Assad managed to gently caress the whole country up into endless civil war himself through greed, stupidity and corruption. You can hardly shrug your shoulders and say he's mean but he's probably the best person to rule the place. He caused this. *barges around spreading destabilization everywhere, overthrowing multiple regimes and opening giant power vacuums* *watches as the chain of chaos spreads to areas not directly touched by bumbling interventions* Urkel voice: "oops! Did I do that?"
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Robo Reagan posted:i hope russia threatens turkey with economic sanctions lol they cut off the gas supply and suspended all commercial flights to turkey almost immediately, soo
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 17:24 |
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I know ISIS has been doing its thing for a little while but this 2015 realtime youtube war coverage just never stops being weird to me.
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InterFaced posted:I know ISIS has been doing its thing for a little while but this 2015 realtime youtube war coverage just never stops being weird to me. warporn will define the 21st century
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Klyith posted:*barges around spreading destabilization everywhere, overthrowing multiple regimes and opening giant power vacuums* Well, no dictator is perfect. We can't expect another Saddam, nor did we prop up another Saudi. Things can just fall apart for those others.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 17:27 |
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I mean obviously Assad was not the best ruler, but why don't you ask the 4 to 9 million syrians who have fled the country what they think?
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Turkey's internal debate is between being a secular country and being a repressive shithole. So it really depends on where you are in the country. Makes me feel blessed to live in a country that's learned to walk that line so well.
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