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Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

EngineerSean posted:

this is a really long safeword, but ok I'm done

This thread is just a really long list of people women shouldn't talk to, myself included :haw:

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Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
spite: a man might kill you or beat you, a woman will ruin your life

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011


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EngineerSean posted:

this is a really long safeword, but ok I'm done

Take a deep breath and ask yourself "Why do I care? Do I care? Am I just pretending?"

You will have answers

You won't like them

At first

City of Tampa
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot

Kumo posted:

Some people do, but there are a lot of reasons why they do not.

Here's an article from a few years back about a British Detective detailing the events of his own sexual assault:

http://www.theguardian.com/global/2011/apr/04/raped-policeman-colleagues-investigation

that article doesn't explain anything except basically that the victim didn't want to go through the embarrassment and hassle of participating in an investigation, which I already kind of understand.

what I don't understand is how people can make this decision (to not report a rape) and then at some later time come out and try to make a big deal about it publicly. If going to the police is too humiliating then why isn't going to twitter? The Columbia mattress girl story is a good example of this.

I think the question is: do victims have any responsibility at all to participate in their own defense or the prosecution of people that victimized them?

and if they don't then how can we possibly be fair to people that are publicly accused of serious crimes that can't be substantiated or disproven due to actions (or inactions) of the accuser?

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Booblord Zagats posted:

I would like to just come forward in this time of egregious grief and strife and remind you all that I, a known and loved Booblord, does not give two shits about any of this, be it good, bad or indifferent. I advise you all to do as I have and take off the false clothes of care and shame and embrace the hot, seething hatred of this world and those who dwell upon it to keep you warm instead of suits made of moral fabric. She is simply flesh made to feel pain, as is he. You have met neither, their pain is not yours, it is not ours, it is merely the embers that keep this hearth warm so that we may bask in the life affirming violence and excitment that make this boring faux enlightenment period we all pretend to live in somewhat easier to stomach.

Booblord Zagats would you like to sniff my testicles?

I ask you again, Booblord Zagats would you like to sniff my testicles?

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Kumo posted:

The statistics of false rape in the U.S. are in the neighborhood of 4-8%. Other countries report 1-10%. It is understandably hard to quantify.

what is the percentage of false reports for batshit insane women tho?

real_slime
Apr 21, 2015

by Lowtax
this kind of news story absolutely can't be talked about in any interesting kind of way on internet forums or even probably in real life. it's too messed up and everyone's completely stupid about it.

but everyone's pretty keyed up about it for obvious reasons, and since the content of these kind of topics is irrelevant to any actual impact, go for it and make your lame jokes or start a rambling debate about porn and feminism.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Professor, the thread is dying!

Move aside, I can handle this!

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011


Pork Pro

King Vidiot posted:

Booblord Zagats would you like to sniff my testicles?

I ask you again, Booblord Zagats would you like to sniff my testicles?

No, but you can get a whifter of mine if you like

Assfingeringlair
Nov 16, 2015

by Lowtax

City of Tampa posted:

that article doesn't explain anything except basically that the victim didn't want to go through the embarrassment and hassle of participating in an investigation, which I already kind of understand.

what I don't understand is how people can make this decision (to not report a rape) and then at some later time come out and try to make a big deal about it publicly. If going to the police is too humiliating then why isn't going to twitter? The Columbia mattress girl story is a good example of this.

I think the question is: do victims have any responsibility at all to participate in their own defense or the prosecution of people that victimized them?

and if they don't then how can we possibly be fair to people that are publicly accused of serious crimes that can't be substantiated or disproven due to actions (or inactions) of the accuser?

They arent looking to be fair.

Like look at this thread where people 'believe' her. They say things like "wow guess james deen is a shithead" and not "this man needs to be in jail".

Its a 2 minutes hate

rejutka
May 28, 2004

by zen death robot
Come back to the scene of crime, Jimmy Deen, Jimmy Deen.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
cookies need love

Bagarthach posted:

I think if he raped her, he is bad.

I think if she is lying, she is bad.

That is my opinion, thanks for reading. Continue your useless arguments.

About where I'm at with this.

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time

rejutka posted:

Come back to the scene of crime, Jimmy Deen, Jimmy Deen.

That's the name of his sausage.

Assfingeringlair
Nov 16, 2015

by Lowtax

Germstore posted:

That's the name of his sausage.

sometimes when I eat too much sausage I feel like it raped my colon. Can I get a last gasp career boost too?

City of Tampa
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot

Assfingeringlair posted:

They arent looking to be fair.

Like look at this thread where people 'believe' her. They say things like "wow guess james deen is a shithead" and not "this man needs to be in jail".

Its a 2 minutes hate

yeah but having someone with X thousand followers call you a rapist on twitter probably really sucks if you aren't a rapist, there are certainly more consequences than just some goons saying "oh I don;t like that guy now"

Assfingeringlair
Nov 16, 2015

by Lowtax

City of Tampa posted:

yeah but having someone with X thousand followers call you a rapist on twitter probably really sucks if you aren't a rapist, there are certainly more consequences than just some goons saying "oh I don;t like that guy now"

yup certainly. Which is why the standard needs to be "if you willing to tell 100s of millions of people about it you should be willing to talk it over with the cops to potentially punish him and stop him from harming others"

Shes the "shithead" in this situation (at this time), not the sausage man.

Lmao Tzu
Sep 11, 2014

The Jew who does a lot of rape-themed porn turns out to be an actual rapist? What a curveball.

Bacon Terrorist
May 7, 2010

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022
I used to have a friends with benefits thing going on with a girl who was the most vocal feminist I've ever met but in the sack that girl liked to be treated like absolute poo poo, which was quite confusing :psyduck:

Assfingeringlair
Nov 16, 2015

by Lowtax

Bacon Terrorist posted:

I used to have a friends with benefits thing going on with a girl who was the most vocal feminist I've ever met but in the sack that girl liked to be treated like absolute poo poo, which was quite confusing :psyduck:

Its like a law or something. Same deal with some girl I dated for a while. I refused to piss on this girl and it directly led to ending the relationship because "You arent considering my needs even if it makes you uncomfortable".

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Assfingeringlair posted:

Its like a law or something. Same deal with some girl I dated for a while. I refused to piss on this girl and it directly led to ending the relationship because "You arent considering my needs even if it makes you uncomfortable".

I mean, lack of bedroom chemistry is a legit reason to end a relationship but wow phrasing it like that is super :ironicat:

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

girl's got a thirst. an urgent need. for pee.

rejutka
May 28, 2004

by zen death robot
If only both porn stars had thought to film what happened so we'd all be able to judge for ourselves.

Shameful.

Kumo
Jul 31, 2004

City of Tampa posted:

that article doesn't explain anything except basically that the victim didn't want to go through the embarrassment and hassle of participating in an investigation, which I already kind of understand.

what I don't understand is how people can make this decision (to not report a rape) and then at some later time come out and try to make a big deal about it publicly. If going to the police is too humiliating then why isn't going to twitter? The Columbia mattress girl story is a good example of this.

I think the question is: do victims have any responsibility at all to participate in their own defense or the prosecution of people that victimized them?

and if they don't then how can we possibly be fair to people that are publicly accused of serious crimes that can't be substantiated or disproven due to actions (or inactions) of the accuser?

You raise a lot of good points.

I don't have all the answers nor will I pretend to. The best I can offer is that a rape is often a very personal experience and the decisions as to what to do afterwards are very personal as well. Post-rape behaviors run along broad spectrums, and no one can force a rape victim into the "appropriate" action. I've done some victim-services work and one of the hardest things they try to prepare you for (and they can never adequately prepare you for it) is in incidents of domestic violence and sexual abuse is when a victim "gets out" and then ends up going back to her abuser. Some get that going to the police after the fact is a non-starter for so many reasons ( his word v. hers, no evidence, the victim-blaming, being ostracized, not being believed, money, culture/religion), but some feel compelled to do something about it as a way of healing.

Imagine a psychological trauma like a very bad break-up or injury or something that would cause PTSD and how people tend to re-live it over and over and over again. Freud was surprised to discover that the soldiers coming back from WWI had a tendency to relive traumatic experiences and developed what he eventually called the Death Drives/Thanatos principle.

A public display like the Columbia mattress girl might be in line with an attempt to take control over the trauma, albeit in a demonstrative way. You can control a Twitter account with a a greater degree of certitude too. "I'm here, I'm alive. It was horrific, but I got through this. It didn't destroy me, and I won't let it control my life." It is a way to divest the hold, control and power that a traumatic incident has over a a person and get on with their lives.

Is there an element of attention-seeking behavior? Perhaps, maybe that's the point. The accusation, and fodder of so many of our finest dipshit comedy scientists in this thread seems to be that if the victim did not conduct themselves by adhering to what they think a rape victim should do in those circumstances, the accusation is suspect and the accuser is a liar.

On the other hand, false rape accusations do sometimes exist. Last year's faulty Rollingstone article was an illustrative clusterfuck, and Emily Yoffe (I think?) over at Slate had a great article about a rape accusation at Harvard where the guy more or less got railroaded.

There's no easy answer here.

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax

Bacon Terrorist posted:

I used to have a friends with benefits thing going on with a girl who was the most vocal feminist I've ever met but in the sack that girl liked to be treated like absolute poo poo, which was quite confusing :psyduck:

I've found the girls with father issues, such as abandonment, emotional or other types of abuse, or super strict dads, etc, tend to be the ones that really want you to slap and spank them and treat them like garbage. One girl, who even claimed she had "daddy issues," wanted me to spit in her face because it turned her on. I had an ex that asked me to grow a pony-tail and mustache. I was confused why she wanted me to look like an idiot, until I saw a photo of her dad and he had a pony-tail and mustache and I felt really weird about her after that. She was also really into getting slapped in the face as hard as possible.

EDIT:

Just saw this:
http://time.com/4129162/mary-kate-olsen-olivier-sarkozy-married/



I bet she's nuts in the bedroom.

Haier fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Nov 30, 2015

BigBoss
Jan 26, 2012

by Lowtax

Haier posted:

I've found the girls with father issues, such as abandonment, emotional or other types of abuse, or super strict dads, etc,

So all girls ever?

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Haier posted:

I've found the girls with father issues, such as abandonment, emotional or other types of abuse, or super strict dads, etc, tend to be the ones that really want you to slap and spank them and treat them like garbage. One girl, who even claimed she had "daddy issues," wanted me to spit in her face because it turned her on. I had an ex that asked me to grow a pony-tail and mustache. I was confused why she wanted me to look like an idiot, until I saw a photo of her dad and he had a pony-tail and mustache and I felt really weird about her after that. She was also really into getting slapped in the face as hard as possible.

EDIT:

Just saw this:
http://time.com/4129162/mary-kate-olsen-olivier-sarkozy-married/



I bet she's nuts in the bedroom.

She looks about ready for a sex tape tbh

dreezy
Mar 4, 2015

yeah, rip.

Haier posted:

EDIT:

Just saw this:
http://time.com/4129162/mary-kate-olsen-olivier-sarkozy-married/



I bet she's nuts in the bedroom.

that guy doesn't look anything like danny tanner

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Lmao Tzu posted:

The Jew who does a lot of rape-themed porn turns out to be an actual rapist? What a curveball.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008


Oh hey, you showed up :)

Tell me how religion is relevant to this case, please and thank you

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time

loquacius posted:

Oh hey, you showed up :)

Tell me how religion is relevant to this case, please and thank you

Dr Luke is also jewish and accused of rape. Really makes you think.

a bag of dicks
Oct 20, 2015
guys I think rape might be, ya know.... problematic

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011


Pork Pro

Germstore posted:

Dr Luke is also jewish and accused of rape. Really makes you think.

1.) He isn't a doctor

2.) Kissing your sister is hosed up, but she initiated it so there's no way it was rape

3.) Jedi-ism might be close to kabbalah but it's not a Jewish thing

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Bacon Terrorist posted:

I used to have a friends with benefits thing going on with a girl who was the most vocal feminist I've ever met but in the sack that girl liked to be treated like absolute poo poo, which was quite confusing :psyduck:

I fantasize about poo poo while wanking or roleplay poo poo while loving that I would never ever do or support irl.

It's not that weird, goons.

a bag of dicks
Oct 20, 2015
professional sex havers can't help themselves. They must have sex at all times, as is their nature

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!

Moridin920 posted:

I fantasize about poo poo while wanking or roleplay poo poo while loving that I would never ever do or support irl.

It's not that weird, goons.
it makes me sad i wont live long enough to see thought crimes become a reality

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011


Pork Pro
So how do you guys know Stoya is messed up, anyhow?

Dick Fagballzson
Sep 29, 2005
It's not really rape if the guy is handsome, has a huge dick, and you enjoy it half way through.

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit
hosed up if true

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug
So are we gonna get a slew of articles from the gawker circles about how stoya is a jilted ex and how all people listening to her story are awful misandrists whi have no business discussing this man's private sex life or is that kind of a one way street?

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H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Universe Master posted:

Why, did she steal his lemons?

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGz9QmirLBE

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