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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I'm singing the traditional English Christmas carol "In the Bleak Midautumn".

e: December 1st, 1991 - Over 92% of Ukrainian voters approved independence from CrimeaRussia.

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MrBadidea
Apr 1, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

I'm sure you heard the urban legend about that one lad who wore his shellsuit in front of the fire and then there was nothing left of him but a pile of ash. That's the flattering way.

I once shared an ambulance ride with a guy who had fallen asleep in front of a fireplace wearing trackies, that had then melted into his shins. The smell was... interesting, to put it politely. :barf:

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Helen Highwater posted:

Which is apparently in Spring.

Most of June is.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
Love that "we know how to queue" is actually on there.

On music, I'm disappointed there are no examples of our best export genres, ie punk and metal.

Regarde Aduck posted:

Looks like a Tornado to me.

It is, but I can understand the confusion, the Tornado does look a bit like a Foxbat/Foxhound when you can't see the tail.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Total Meatlove posted:

But absolutely no one giving a gently caress that their best player was born in Jamaica.

I think you'll find that Wayne Rooney was born in Scouseland

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007

:japan:
Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;

JFairfax posted:

I think you'll find that Wayne Rooney was born in Scouseland

And people accuse flaps of trolling

Bozza
Mar 5, 2004

"I'm a really useful engine!"

JFairfax posted:

I think you'll find that Wayne Rooney was born in Scouseland

woah this has to be the best troll in UKMT history

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Oberleutnant posted:

Judging by the Arts and Music sections this is a 90 year old's opinions on what British things are, right?
"Better put Banksy in, the kids these days are all mad about that Banksy fella."
Also isn't Justin Fletcher Mr Tumble? Not quite sure what that's got to do with music

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

Zephro posted:

Also isn't Justin Fletcher Mr Tumble? Not quite sure what that's got to do with music

I once worked security for Mr Tumble at a music festival and I can't lie; dude is a mad rockstar and a bona fide Good Lad. He can't be in public for ten seconds without being mobbed by children but is always lovely about it. We escorted him between stages on a golf cart we diverted from the Human League's dressing area, and we were constantly followed by dozens of screaming kids straight out of Beatlemania archive footage. Fun times.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
A SENIOR military figure has warned UK air strikes on Syria will not defeat Daesh and could be the first step towards Britain being involved into a “bloody” and protracted war.

General Sir Richard Shirreff, former Nato deputy supreme allied commander Europe, said a large number of western forces would eventually be needed to fight alongside local groups in order to recapture Raqqa, the extremist movement’s self-proclaimed capital. He spoke out after David Cameron last week ruled out the deployment of British ground troops when he pressed the case for bombing missions over Syria, saying the proposed air attacks would be coordinated with ground attacks by some of the 70,000 local troops in Syria linked to “moderate” groups opposed to Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad’s regime.

But yesterday Shirreff told a national newspaper such a military strategy would not defeat Daesh or recapture Raqqa.

“It’s not something you are going to achieve with 70,000 so-called Syria moderates,” he said.

“To take a city of 350,000 is going to need a massive force. Any fighting in cities soaks up troops in a massive way. It’s heavily attritional, it’s bloody and it’s a grim business.”

http://www.thenational.scot/news/na...time=1448866961

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
How did that dangerous radical infiltrate the armed forces like that?

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

darkwasthenight posted:

I once worked security for Mr Tumble at a music festival and I can't lie; dude is a mad rockstar and a bona fide Good Lad. He can't be in public for ten seconds without being mobbed by children but is always lovely about it. We escorted him between stages on a golf cart we diverted from the Human League's dressing area, and we were constantly followed by dozens of screaming kids straight out of Beatlemania archive footage. Fun times.
He seems like a genuinely nice guy.

which these days just makes me worried :ohdear:

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
The BBC has generously published an article (currently the most-read thing on the BBC News website) which is nothing but an infomercial for the tory Help to Buy scheme.

I'm 20 and I own a £250,000 four-bed house posted:

For most people in their teens and 20s buying a property is a distant and unachievable dream. It often means years of saving only to scrape enough together for a small flat.
But couple Ellie King, 20, and Rory Schurer-Lewis, 22, weren't prepared to accept the wait.

And now they are proud owners of a large four-bed detached home. Newsbeat went to Cheshire to find out what they did to make it all happen. This is how they did it

Ellie and Rory bought their home via the government's Help to Buy scheme which meant they could borrow 20% of their deposit.

They needed to raise £12,500, which was 5% of the house value, plus other fees. Ellie says they wanted somewhere they could "grow into".

Critics and Labour say the scheme still doesn't help poorer people who can't afford to raise the deposit in the first place.

"We both grew up in detached homes. It's hard to explain without sounding like a huge snob. We were just used to having our own space."

:commissar:

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
No it's cool there are lots of 20 year olds who can raise £12,500 for a deposit

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.
We could roll out everything, what jets and tanks that are serviceable, and at great financial and human cost, ISIS could be wiped out. Just in time for the next bunch to roll up.

ISIS are a symptom not the disease, without dismantling the conditions for their creation another group will form. Syria and Iraq will continue to be host to this multifaction proxywar clusterfuck for the foreseeable future, and then it will just move on to the next venue until this second cold war ends.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

JFairfax posted:

No it's cool there are lots of 20 year olds who can raise £12,500 for a deposit
You'e just not striving enough, you feckless, extravagant, grasping scrounger:

They both saved £500 a month posted:

Even with Help to Buy, Ellie and Rory still needed £18,000 in savings to cover the deposit and stamp duty. So they got saving.

"It was just being really strict with myself," says Ellie.

"I was on an apprentice wage last year. It was a case of always putting a certain amount away."

They both saved a minimum of £500 a month and lived with parents instead of renting for over two years.

It is hard but I don't think it is impossible, as some people make out

Here's the really tough bit - they also restricted their social lives.

Rory earned £27,000, the national average full-time wage, when they bought the house.

"It took being very disciplined sometimes," he explains.

quote:

"I also see plenty of people coming into rented houses complaining to me that they can't get a deposit together and I'm thinking, 'Say no to the night out mate.'"

BOOTSTRAPS:byodood:

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
How the gently caress do you save £500 a month on apprentice wages?

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction
PMQ's cancelled for 10 and half hour long talk on Syria which started an hour ago. Finishes up with a vote at 10:30pm where we assuredly will have fixed all the massive problems with relying on nebulous rebel forces that the Joint Intelligence Committee are swearing will totally help out and be at war in Syria.

If you want to ease this shitshow a bit, drink every time someone doesn't give an actual explanation of how bombing helps the situation and you'll be in A&E before that happens. Don't worry, the Doctor's didn't strike after all.

You're already needing one drink as Mary Creagh just said it'd be "one part of a full, political, diplomatic framework" without explaining what the rest of it was.

Also about those 70,000 troops on which this all hinges.

quote:

But he acknowledges they are "spread through Syria", while Lieutenant General Gordon Messenger, deputy chief of the defence staff (operations), adds that they're not a "coherent force".

But he says it'd be wrong to characterize them as "a rag-tag army", saying they have achieved "considerable" territorial preservation in the north and south of Syria considerable despite "enormous pressure".

Oh this is going to go just great. They're not a rag-tag army, just an incoherent force spread around the entire of Syria. It'll be fine, vote Yes, it'll be fine.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

serious gaylord posted:

How the gently caress do you save £500 a month on apprentice wages?

if you live with your parents you don't have to spend £500 a month on rent and can save that, it's fairly simple.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

JFairfax posted:

if you live with your parents you don't have to spend £500 a month on rent and can save that, it's fairly simple.
Which already implies parents have space and can afford to keep you rent-free or heavily reduced.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

JFairfax posted:

if you live with your parents you don't have to spend £500 a month on rent and can save that, it's fairly simple.

Not just rent, but presumably things like food, council tax, tv licence, broadband e.t.c as well.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
1) Bomb ISIS
2) ...
3) Victory!

Seems to literally be the pitch

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Those two 20 year olds and the people like them are going to be the cause of the next financial crash.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Fans posted:

PMQ's cancelled for 10 and half hour long talk on Syria which started an hour ago. Finishes up with a vote at 10:30pm where we assuredly will have fixed all the massive problems with relying on nebulous rebel forces that the Joint Intelligence Committee are swearing will totally help out and be at war in Syria.

I think the vote and debate are tomorrow (as PMQs would normally be) aren't they? They've only just released the text of the motion.

H2Omelon
Aug 31, 2009
I had to pay my parents £500 a month just to live at home, even while unemployed. Joke's on them though, I stayed with my uncle instead.

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

Party Boat posted:

I think the vote and debate are tomorrow (as PMQs would normally be) aren't they? They've only just released the text of the motion.

Indeed yes sorry! I got messed up there as they were doing a briefing in the Commons and was amazed at how poo poo Mary Creagh was being.

Edward Leigh at least came out and said the Conservative vote isn't a fix and suggested if they weren't under a whip Cameron could expect to see a lot of them vote No.

It's a bit bleak when you're hoping the Conservative back bench have a conscience.

Fans fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Dec 1, 2015

Igiari
Sep 14, 2007

H2Omelon posted:

I had to pay my parents £500 a month just to live at home, even while unemployed. Joke's on them though, I stayed with my uncle instead.

Parents more like pwned rents

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Zephro posted:

1) Bomb ISIS
2) ...
3) Victory!

Seems to literally be the pitch
I think to those in favour, bombing ISIS is itself the victory. Who needs a step 2?

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

Oberleutnant posted:

You'e just not striving enough, you feckless, extravagant, grasping scrounger:



BOOTSTRAPS:byodood:

i dont think saving some extra cash by not going out as much is bootstrapping. its just good budgeting.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Malcolm XML posted:

i dont think saving some extra cash by not going out as much is bootstrapping. its just good budgeting.
It is definitely a bootstraps article that suggests that the couple simply tightened their belts and showed some financial discipline and good sense and that's how they got where they are:

quote:

"I also see plenty of people coming into rented houses complaining to me that they can't get a deposit together and I'm thinking, 'Say no to the night out mate.'"
But you barely need to look beyond the headline to see the immense advantages they benefited from and over which they had no direct control. The ability to live at home with parents and not have to pay rent, and earning a wage that enables them to squirrel away £500 a month under any conditions. It's the usual horseshit of people putting their success built on the back of huge support and luck down to their own intelligence and discipline.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

serious gaylord posted:

How the gently caress do you save £500 a month on apprentice wages?
It says they lived at their parents' houses while they were saving; maybe they just didn't go out much and didn't make any contribution towards bills or food costs. The more surprising thing is that they're sufficiently committed to one-another to take out a joint mortgage despite being only 20/22.

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Dec 1, 2015

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

Oberleutnant posted:

It is definitely a bootstraps article that suggests that the couple simply tightened their belts and showed some financial discipline and good sense and that's how they got where they are:

But you barely need to look beyond the headline to see the immense advantages they benefited from and over which they had no direct control. The ability to live at home with parents and not have to pay rent, and earning a wage that enables them to squirrel away £500 a month under any conditions. It's the usual horseshit of people putting their success built on the back of huge support and luck down to their own intelligence and discipline.

oh yeah the article as a whole is very much an advertisement for the bank of mom and dad but the act of budgeting well is something thats worth picking up

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

LemonDrizzle posted:

It says they lived at their parents' houses while they were saving; maybe they just didn't go out much and didn't make any contribution towards bills or food costs. The more surprising thing is that they're sufficiently committed to one-another to take out a joint mortgage despite being only 20/22.

Yes their parents paid the deposit for them but in goods and services rather than in cash.

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

LemonDrizzle posted:

It says they lived at their parents' houses while they were saving; maybe they just didn't go out much and didn't make any contribution towards bills or food costs. The more surprising thing is that they're sufficiently committed to one-another to take out a joint mortgage despite being only 20/22.

I suspect they will soon be made very familiar with the concept of joint and several liability

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

Why do people complain about low wages when you can just have your parents pay for everything?? Jeez.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

JFairfax posted:

“To take a city of 350,000 is going to need a massive force. Any fighting in cities soaks up troops in a massive way. It’s heavily attritional, it’s bloody and it’s a grim business.”

I thought Isis took it in the first place with only a couple of thousand dudes. I mean I can see his point but it rather depends on how hard Isis fight against an actual competent opponent as opposed to like the Iraqi army.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


More to the point, the guy was earning the national average wage in his early 20's!

This means he can only be over average for the entire rest of his life.

He's hardly the sort that was ever going to struggle to afford a house.

This scheme just let him afford a house he would have in 10 years time.


AKA, the government saved the couple from OH NO moving house once or twice in the next decade.

Kegluneq
Feb 18, 2011

Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

Currently in the same room as Liz Kendall, should I say anything? I'm not saying anything

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Absolutely nothing has gone wrong with getting morgages that suddnly become very difficult to repay through no fault of your own.

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communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Kegluneq posted:

Currently in the same room as Liz Kendall, should I say anything? I'm not saying anything
ask her if she'll go out with pissflaps

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