|
Chomp8645 posted:How about we just vote the rich out of power? the voting booth are their bodies the votes are our bullets hth
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 09:16
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 25, 2024 08:44 |
|
|
Barry Sandford gonna rawdog some crapitalists.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 09:21
|
|
|
You know what it's gonna take. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cV3Xsz8sCQ
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 10:37
|
|
|
BigBoss posted:I live in the suburbs and I'm starting to see reverse gentrification. I am not very happy about this. Is this the fancy way of saying "a minority just moved in down the block"?
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 12:30
|
|
|
In any case this is bad news for LEGO. We know that rich people don't buy legos and poor people only buy megabloks 
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 12:31
|
|
|
I have a problem with the way the OP defines middle class because it is not about income but about your relationship to capital. If you make $75k a year but have no assets you are not middle class.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 13:12
|
|
|
NihilismNow posted:I have a problem with the way the OP defines middle class because it is not about income but about your relationship to capital. The middle class ideal of everyone owning (or paying a mortgage) on a 1.5 acre lot was never much of a real asset. The whole concept was a 'third way' to avoid/stymie Marxian class conflict.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 13:44
|
|
|
McDowell posted:The middle class ideal of everyone owning (or paying a mortgage) on a 1.5 acre lot was never much of a real asset. why not?
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 14:26
|
|
|
TacticalUrbanHomo posted:why not? The USA is so big that the average residential lot ultimately has little to no real value outside of speculation/fraud/a bubble. Value in land is in commercial real estate, mineral rights, etc.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 14:40
|
|
|
McDowell posted:The USA is so big that the average residential lot ultimately has little to no real value outside of speculation/fraud/a bubble. Value in land is in commercial real estate, mineral rights, etc. ...
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 14:48
|
|
|
McDowell posted:The middle class ideal of everyone owning (or paying a mortgage) on a 1.5 acre lot was never much of a real asset. It doesn't have to be a home. Could be (signficant) savings or investments. And while the US is big the fact that there is cheap land in Montana doesn't really drive down prices in San Fransisco or NYC.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 14:56
|
|
|
Cities have unique real estate markets because they have lots of vertical space which one owner cannot use and must be rented. If anything there is a huge problem of unused space in cities. We could guarantee housing for everyone. The suburban real estate / property tax concept is dying, I doubt Millennials can/will buy into it the way the boomers did. We need Social Anarchy.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 15:28
|
|
|
argument that the middle class isn't actually important spins into endorsement of a facile and illusory ideology, didn't see that coming
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 15:44
|
|
|
McDowell posted:The USA is so big that the average residential lot ultimately has little to no real value outside of speculation/fraud/a bubble. Value in land is in commercial real estate, mineral rights, etc. When your parents die shoot me a PM. I'd like to purchase all their worthless real-estate from you. I'll give you a fair price I promise.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 16:09
|
|
|
gently caress the ROW posted:hope & change Full Trump now.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 16:10
|
|
|
PromethiumX posted:When your parents die shoot me a PM. I'd like to purchase all their worthless real-estate from you. I'll give you a fair price I promise. They want to flip it and move - I've argued for renting it out. The idea of everyone owning/mortgaging a residential lot was a big factor in the 2008 crash. Not to mention whitey hand-wringing about the neighbors and property values.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 16:19
|
|
|
a residential house you live in is not productive property in a marxist sense
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 16:31
|
|
|
McDowell posted:They want to flip it and move - I've argued for renting it out. this is a gross oversimplification of what happened, not to mention it's irrelevant since advocacy for the middle class is not dependent on the idea of every household owning land, much less a piece of land that they personally want.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 16:54
|
|
|
but you've said the words "Social Anarchy" unironically(?) so I guess a reasoned discussion based in reality isn't going to fly
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 16:55
|
|
|
op i caant tell if im a rich poor or a poor rich how can i tell which side to fight for?
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 17:00
|
|
|
TacticalUrbanHomo posted:but you've said the words "Social Anarchy" unironically(?) so I guess a reasoned discussion based in reality isn't going to fly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHGl9a8BcqI This is a good watch and there will be 2 sides in American political discourse - Murray Bookchin or Karl Hess
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 17:09
|
|
|
McDowell posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHGl9a8BcqI yeah I could watch that video but I have a better idea: why don't you express, in your own words, a single salient point that you would like me to take from that video, and then link me to a piece of peer-reviewed literature that supports that point. then, provided that point actually is a point, I will respond with no fewer than four pieces of peer-reviewed literature supporting a counter-point.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 17:19
|
|
|
TacticalUrbanHomo posted:yeah I could watch that video but I have a better idea: why don't you express, in your own words, a single salient point that you would like me to take from that video, and then link me to a piece of peer-reviewed literature that supports that point. ur right im willing to vote for the bern if it means Nadering my vote away from hillary. just a bonus reel if trump gets it because he will last about as long as JFK and lock in that dem vote + bonus campaign reform
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 17:23
|
|
|
the point imo is 
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 17:37
|
|
|
Top City Homo posted:the point imo is kill politicians
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 17:44
|
|
|
TacticalUrbanHomo posted:yeah I could watch that video but I have a better idea: why don't you express, in your own words, a single salient point that you would like me to take from that video, and then link me to a piece of peer-reviewed literature that supports that point. Are you being a homo on purpose?
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 17:47
|
|
|
Toadvine posted:Are you being a homo on purpose? ...yes? 
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 17:48
|
|
|
TacticalUrbanHomo posted:yeah I could watch that video but I have a better idea: why don't you express, in your own words, a single salient point that you would like me to take from that video, and then link me to a piece of peer-reviewed literature that supports that point. how about instead you kill your famiyl and then yourself, and the other guy does the same
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 18:38
|
|
|
Top City Homo posted:the voting booth are their bodies
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 18:47
|
|
|
gently caress the ROW posted:how about instead you kill your famiyl and then yourself, and the other guy does the same done
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 20:34
|
|
|
i'll take mass apathy for 500 please
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 20:36
|
|
|
symbolic posted:here we go, boys wont happen more of the same to follow for 8 years 
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 20:38
|
|
|
Turtle Sandbox posted:Until the rich destroy police pensions and deny veterans promised medical care, because the people who protect the rich are literally almost poor, and if the promise of not being poor goes away what was the point of protecting them? the second part of that has already happened
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 21:09
|
|
|
that elysium movie is bad but it is also prophetic in the future the wealthy will live in a few beautiful, heavily gaurded spots on earth while the rest of us starve outside the gates Automation of middle class jobs, which is already happening, is another step on the path to destruction. Automation of the police and military will mean the 1% finally has a way to beat the only advantage we have over them -- our numbers. Some police are arguably still human and could be persuaded to fight their masters if things get bad enough, but that won't matter when we replace that cop with a drone. I would recommend suicide now to avoid getting raped and eaten in the job apocalypse.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 21:13
|
|
|
Microwaves Mom posted:wont happen more of the same to follow for 8 years if Hill$$$KKK$$$ary wins I plan to get drunk and stay that way for at least the first hundred days
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 21:39
|
|
|
I've never met someone who actually wants hillary to get the nomination but goddamn if every media outlet isn't pushing her hard af. blatant antisemitism imo
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 22:12
|
|
|
A misanthrope posted:I would recommend suicide now to avoid getting raped and eaten what if this is my fetish
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 22:21
|
|
|
asking for a friend btw
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 22:27
|
|
|
Fojar38 posted:what if this is my fetish then woah buddy the apocalypse is gonna make you shoot ropes
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 22:31
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 25, 2024 08:44 |
|
|
NihilismNow posted:I have a problem with the way the OP defines middle class because it is not about income but about your relationship to capital. You're not the only one. "Middle class" and "middle income" used to be two quite distinct things but the terms are used interchangeably now.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2015 23:00
|
|
