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Dyna Soar posted:it exists b/c those ppl have lived there for thousands or at least hundreds of years and don't want to leave. why they're so poor and have a lot of social and economic issues is because your goverment sucks, basically. Yeah lots of money in trading seal blubber in the modern globalized economy. They're poor because hunting and gathering is fine to live off of at a subsistence level, but it doesn't compete with agriculture let alone industrialized society.
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Frosted Flake posted:Yeah lots of money in trading seal blubber in the modern globalized economy. They're poor because hunting and gathering is fine to live off of at a subsistence level, but it doesn't compete with agriculture let alone industrialized society. lots of other arctic aboriginal peoples living in their ancient lands aren't poor. the sami for example it's basically that white imperialists stole their lands, forced them into reservations and mistreated them for decades. now they're dirt poor yet the goverment won't give them rights to their ancient lands despite them still living there. see how the norwegians and swedes have treated their sami minorities. they've done the least all goverments should do. Dyna Soar fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Frosted Flake posted:Yeah lots of money in trading seal blubber in the modern globalized economy. They're poor because hunting and gathering is fine to live off of at a subsistence level, but it doesn't compete with agriculture let alone industrialized society. but that's how they were living (hunting/gathering) before colonialism anyway so I don't get it
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Dyna Soar posted:lots of other arctic aboriginal peoples living in their ancient lands aren't poor. the sami for example The indigenous Sami population is a mostly urbanised demographic. They realized that herding reindeer is less profitable than selling mineral and oil rights and moving into the cities and towns of Norway.
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Subyng posted:but that's how they were living (hunting/gathering) before colonialism anyway so I don't get it there's still arctic aborigines living like that. the reason the peoples living in canada aren't is the slow genocide the goverment has been committing. Frosted Flake posted:The indigenous Sami population is a mostly urbanised demographic. They realized that herding reindeer is less profitable than selling mineral and oil rights and moving into the cities and towns of Norway. that's only part of the story since there's sami people in sweden, finland and russia as well but can you tell me the reason the canadian aborigines aren't doing the same? because their right to their land was taken away and they were forced into reservations. Dyna Soar fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Subyng posted:but that's how they were living (hunting/gathering) before colonialism anyway so I don't get it They were poor before colonialism! They had skins, and antlers and bones. That was all they needed. They still have those things. They live in an area that cannot support agriculture or industry, so of course they survive on a primitive level of development.
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The Yukon Trail is a game where you too can experience what it's like to be a Pioneer, bravely striding forth into the Northern Canadian wilderness! It's so depressing up there that one of the most valuable items you can buy is a box of kittens which stops people from killing themselves
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Frosted Flake posted:They were poor before colonialism! They had skins, and antlers and bones. That was all they needed. They still have those things. how about full rights to the natural resourced in the arctic as well as fishing quotas and such?
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Dyna Soar posted:how about full rights to the natural resourced in the arctic as well as fishing quotas and such? They signed The Numbered Treaties, they have the rights they agreed to.
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The numbered treaties are important to natives but the Indian act is what actually has control over them, and it was never negotiated or accepted by natives, just done to them explicitly to dispossess and assimilate them. And their recommendations to fix its most egregious violations of treaties and human decency have been ignored for like 50 years. https://web.archive.org/web/20150316023517/http://www.canadiana.ca/citm/themes/aboriginals/aboriginals8_e.html tuyop fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Frosted Flake posted:They signed The Numbered Treaties, they have the rights they agreed to. oh come on, those treaties are a complete sham. are you trolling or are you being serious here?
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Dyna Soar posted:oh come on, those treaties are a complete sham. are you trolling or are you being serious here? quote:Through centuries of interaction First Nations view the Numbered Treaties as sacred. As an expression of this association, First Nations in Canada and members of the Federal Government will regularly meet to celebrate milestone anniversaries, exchange ceremonial and symbolic gifts, and discuss treaty issues. Treaty Days are celebrated in Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan, Alberta and Manitoba.
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lol, where's that quote from? wikipedia?
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i dont care about the stupid rear end boohooing im just hear to read about how these ppl live in their own filth & huff gas
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Sounds like Canadian Indians are just as whiney and worthless as the ones in the US. You had your time in the sun. You mucked about, stagnated, and got taken over by a superior culture. Get over it, already!
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gently caress the ROW posted:i dont care about the stupid rear end boohooing im just hear to read about how these ppl live in their own filth & huff gas Aww come on it's never a real thread about [insert indigenous people here] until the Committee For Shaming Whitey comes and tells everyone how bad their skin colour makes them. You there! Whitey! Did you know you're bad??? UR BAD GO SIT IN THE CORNER
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I don't know if you'd like the North because I'm not sure it has a KKK chapter.
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Bag Smokes are pretty funny. Because tobacco is sacred to natives, there's no regulation. As a result, there's a massive industry of manufacturing cigarettes. A pack of 200 costs $10. http://www.ctvnews.ca/cheap-smokes-flood-canadian-cities-1.601307 http://www.lfpress.com/2014/10/28/campaign-targets-illegal-smokes http://www.durhamregion.com/news-story/5160899-clearing-the-smoke-surrounding-first-nations-cigarettes/ quote:Cheap smokes make it hard to quit the habit and there's a financial cost to governments as well. The federal and provincial governments lose $2 billion a year in tax revenue when people buy tax-free native cigarettes. quote:Senator Hugh Segal, an outspoken critic of contraband tobacco, maintains the police are afraid to enter native reserves and arrest the ringleaders because they fear a repeat of the Oka crisis from 20 years ago. Back then, violence erupted when the Quebec police and later the Army went onto the Kanestake reserve to enforce a municipal bylaw. Subsequent confrontations across Canada have led to blockades and violence. He believes that it's a situation Ottawa and the provinces want to avoid. Frosted Flake fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Well, it looks like I may have, uh.... started something here. Heh. Let's just get back to lol northern canada sucks amirite?
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Dec 14, 2015 23:11
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Restore their land and mineral rights if only to observe what "hood rich" looks like at a pan-arctic scale.
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Sorry Canada, but when the Trumpfschluss comes, you're going to have to be willing to see these territories rolled into Greater Alaska. The maritime provinces will probably have to be combined, but the rest of you will be given statehood in order to legitimize our peacekeeping mission to protect the ethnic North Americans from the reckless immigration policies of your government.
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Retail Slave posted:Well, it looks like I may have, uh.... started something here. Heh. Almost as if there are whole other subforums devoted to useful coherent intellectual discussion And then there is gbs fart cuck forum gay so what orbs 
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the trump tutelage posted:Restore their land and mineral rights if only to observe what "hood rich" looks like at a pan-arctic scale. hey, would you look at this racist gently caress right here
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Dyna Soar posted:hey, would you look at this racist gently caress right here Have you ever been near Rama? Natives in bands with casinos or other sources of quick cash are "Hood Rich" as hell. New snowmobiles every winter, new trucks and cars when they turn 16.
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Dyna Soar posted:hey, would you look at this racist gently caress right here
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Mineral rights in the extreme north are worth the paper they're printed on currently. How could you possibly set up a work camp in a place where gasoline freezes and is a 1/4 of the earth from any major airport? Did you guys see those electricity and shipping mark ups? Maybe in 50 years once climate change has done it's thing, if those resources are still valuable.
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Goongrats to GBS for talking about weather and expensive corndogs for five pages before going full-bore "gently caress the Injuns" white supremacist.
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agag sighed as he unsheathed his hanzo steel. "jokes? in my gbs?? I DON'T THINK SO"
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These people we've treated badly are poor, so I'll treat them badly some more
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The yukon has an important place in the life of scrooge mcduck, for this alone I salute thee, o canada.
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drat horror queefs posted:agag sighed as he unsheathed his hanzo steel.  ", and he does it 200x a day, in a dozen or so threads, on a daily basis. he spends what must be all of his free time telling a forum he hates, full of people he despises, that they're bad racist shitlords, in the same brittle, hurt tone, over and over and over and over to no effect, every day of his life. i mean, what on earth?
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I'm Crap posted:not to say that people weren't being quite racist in this thread, but i don't think i've ever seen agag post anything other than "more racist idiocy in GBS Voted 5
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Xenophanes posted:Sorry Canada, but when the Trumpfschluss comes, you're going to have to be willing to see these territories rolled into Greater Alaska. The maritime provinces will probably have to be combined, but the rest of you will be given statehood in order to legitimize our peacekeeping mission to protect the ethnic North Americans from the reckless immigration policies of your government. you wish, i think it's about time Trudeau II reincorporates you rebels back into the empire. you have clearly become too bloated and weak to manage yourselves properly  new england and the midwest can come in as full provinces, but i am afraid the south and California will have to remain territories until we can educate your people properly and integrate them into civilized society.
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Its so nice to read a thread where I learn that some countries treat their indigenous citizens the same or even worse than my country treats ours. Well done Canada, you are worse than Australia.
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Wrageowrapper posted:Its so nice to read a thread where I learn that some countries treat their indigenous citizens the same or even worse than my country treats ours. Well done Canada, you are worse than Australia. No, but its close.
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Wrageowrapper posted:Its so nice to read a thread where I learn that some countries treat their indigenous citizens the same or even worse than my country treats ours. Well done Canada, you are worse than Australia. nah
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gently caress the ROW posted:i dont care about the stupid rear end boohooing im just hear to read about how these ppl live in their own filth & huff gas When I was a kid my cousin and her friends drove a three-wheeler out into the woods, popped open the gas tank, and took turns huffing the fumes. They were busted when one of the friends chickened out and wound up snitching. Unbeknownst to my father this worked it's way back through the family grapevine to me. The next time we went over to the huffers' house he pulled me aside and gave me a "If they start doing something you know is wrong, don't do it" speech as a way to warn me, I guess. Thanks for the direct approach, Dad. Surprise, surprise - the cousin is still living on the rez and a total waste of life.
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Agag posted:No, but its close. Some communities at least own their land, that has to account for something right. Right? Who am I kidding, Australia really is the worst at everything.
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Wrageowrapper posted:Some communities at least own their land, that has to account for something right. Right? I like Australia, but like Canada we both focused %99 of our evilness into screwing over the natives.
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