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That was an entertaining screw up. I remember that whenever i tried to go after that undead caravan in the hearthglen mission I ended up losing, because apparently leaving the defense of the base to some towers might be a bad idea. And that was on normal. To teenage me the story of WC III held a lot of appeal and it fueled my desire to play WoW. I don't even know why anymore. I ended up reading up on a lot of lore before I could even afford the monthly payments.
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Towers aren't good in this game. Period. Except for maybe the Undead ones because you need to build those fuckers anyway. It's part of what I don't like about Warcraft 3's gameplay - instead of going for something that'd sound remotely reasonable strategically (like having a fortified base and going raiding when needed), you're required to game the system and have one army running back and forth so you get maximum use out of minimum upkeep. Again, heroes/auras being so powerful was a loving stupid idea.
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This LP has got me to replay the WC3 campaign. Just arrived at Northrend and feeling the nostalgia something fierce.
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Jan 4, 2016 12:19
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anilEhilated posted:Towers aren't good in this game. Period. Except for maybe the Undead ones because you need to build those fuckers anyway. They have some obsecure and annoying use in FFA games. Much like necro+meatwagon. Some silly strategies become more usable when the point is to watch the other players kill each other but not look like an easy target yourself.
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Jan 4, 2016 12:46
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And, you know, Orc tower rush. Mostly effective because nobody really expects it, but still...
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anilEhilated posted:Towers aren't good in this game. Period. Except for maybe the Undead ones because you need to build those fuckers anyway. I don't think the towers are supposed to be all that good. They are supposed to put the enemy at a disadvantage when they are attacking your base and not guarantee 100% safety. Otherwise trying to attack a base would just become even more tedious.
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Well, yes and no, normally fortifications are a big sign of DO NOT ATTACK HERE, with game emphasis on the "here"; the idea being to stall the enemy assault until your forces can react properly - or discourage harassment by killing weaker and cheaper units outright and forcing the enemy to bring out the big guns. Except this is Warcraft 3, there are no expendable units and everyone's army moves in one blob so you can't really afford to have that blob significantly slowed down on either attack or defense. So all the action takes place in nice wide open spaces and the towers are an irritant at best. That's something they really didn't put much thought it. edit: It's also wonderfully ironic considering this game's engine and editor became one of the best platforms for tower defense games. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Jan 4, 2016 16:53
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Sorry this was late, personal emergency. This was a fun mission, and it's kind of cute how pretty much every walkthrough tells you you don't have enough time to get any of the items. In fact, not only do I get the items, I do the last leg of the gauntlet "fairly" instead of cheesing it with Avatar Muradin. So eat that, strategy guides! Unfortunately, this one is a bit on the short side, but both the previous and next episodes are far too long to glompf it together with them.   
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Jan 4, 2016 16:54
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I didn't know you could run through with Muradin and always slogged through the necromancers. Neat. But it's more fun to slaughter enemy units. Murlocs are awesome. 
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Jan 4, 2016 17:32
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They did manage to capture Thrall and half the Orc and Darkspear army. I'll grant that.
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If I remember right, Pandaren are also a creation of Our Corrupt Savior Metzen. e: I'm mistaken! Samwise Didier, the frontman of real life Elite Tauren Chieftain. dscruffy1 fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Jan 4, 2016 20:36
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When I played this mission, I didn't think of using the teleport item to bypass the ziggurat-infested canyon. So I just ran my entire army through it. They were a bit battered, but mostly it went fine and I had no problems with the rest of the mission, but then again I wasn't playing on hard.
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dscruffy1 posted:If I remember right, Pandaren are also a creation of Our Corrupt Savior Metzen.
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Jan 4, 2016 21:09
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Been waiting for this level! I have never been able to hear this song without thinking of this level: Burn the Fleet by Thrice
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Jan 4, 2016 22:22
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anilEhilated posted:Again, heroes/auras being so powerful was a loving stupid idea. (Other than the twin curve balls of Tower Defense and MOBAs, that is.)
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Honestly, and I know this has been brought up by other Goons and folks on other forums, I sometimes wonder if Metzen struggles/struggled with addiction. Like the whole corruption plot and how he's frankly obssessed with it seems like the sort of theme that would resonate with an addict or a recovering addict. Like, it's kind of funny, but due to retcons and poo poo, by the time of WoW there are basically NO actual villains with agency in the Warcraft canon. Every single named villain, with almost no exceptions, was corrupted by something. It's hilariously optimistic; there are no bad people, really, just fallen heroes. Metzen has a bit of a cocaine habit. And by a bit I mean he's up to his eyeballs in the stuff.
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I thought that was just a running joke. Also, Garrosh Hellscream wasn't corrupted by anything which is why he's the best villain. 
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Garrosh not being corrupted is amazing because he still uses the power of Y'Shaarj, but instead of being corrupted by it he's actually mastering it is my understanding.
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I do wonder, didn't the fact that Muradin could bolt the ships get patched later on? If I remember correctly, you can't run through with Muradin on a Wc3 version that is up 2 date since he will have no means to attack the last ships.
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SgCloud posted:I do wonder, didn't the fact that Muradin could bolt the ships get patched later on? If I remember correctly, you can't run through with Muradin on a Wc3 version that is up 2 date since he will have no means to attack the last ships.
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ThingOne posted:Metzen has a bit of a cocaine habit. And by a bit I mean he's up to his eyeballs in the stuff. Isn't this just a meme? I've never heard anyone seriously claim the dude's a crackhead.
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SgCloud posted:I do wonder, didn't the fact that Muradin could bolt the ships get patched later on? If I remember correctly, you can't run through with Muradin on a Wc3 version that is up 2 date since he will have no means to attack the last ships. I've been playing with an up to date version, and he could stormbolt them. Also, one of the game hints specifically suggests using stormbolt.
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SirSamVimes posted:Also, one of the game hints specifically suggests using stormbolt.
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Jan 5, 2016 21:30
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SirSamVimes posted:I've been playing with an up to date version, and he could stormbolt them. Also, one of the game hints specifically suggests using stormbolt. It *DID* get patched out. The hint is there because the hint was put in before the ability to Stormbolt ships was patched out. It wasn't deliberate; it was a side-effect of restricting Stormbolt to organic targets; if you can Storm Bolt the ships, your game is not up to date.
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Mine is up to date. The screen says 1.26.0.6401. In fact, I just connected to Battle.net just to be sure and it didn't try to patch. If they changed it, they reverted the change at some point. E: I definitely remember at one point the game would complain the boats weren't organic, but for whatever reason it works again. Linear Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Jan 5, 2016 |
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The last few human missions show Arthas's descent from goodness, and I think this is the one that truly marks the point of no return (in the figurative sense, though he did make it quite literal). The culling of Strathome was certainly unpleasant business, but may arguably have been necessary. Sailing to Northrend to track the source of the plague was also justifiable. But at this point, he's essentially condemned his entire army to die in a frozen wasteland because he's become more concerned with personal vengeance than what's good for the people of his kingdom.
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Eh, the act of turning from "goodness" to pure idiocy was sailing to Northrend. Everything from then on is just hammering the point home; Blizzard doesn't exactly do subtle.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Isn't this just a meme? I've never heard anyone seriously claim the dude's a crackhead. I swear I remember someone on here claiming they saw him trying to use a sugar donut to whiten up his 'stache a bit during one Blizzcon.
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Alright, which one of you chucklefucks tossed a Dispel Magic in Jsors direction, you KNOW what it does to animated units.
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Aumanor posted:Alright, which one of you chucklefucks tossed a Dispel Magic in Jsors direction, you KNOW what it does to animated units. No, I'm just an idiot who forgot to post it even though it's uploaded (but private)    Edit: Also goddamn loving gently caress, I forgot how much of a PITA it is to make these unit card templates for a new race. At least this time I have a guide I can copy over. Linear Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Jan 11, 2016 |
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Main drawback of chaos damage is that it doesent do any bonus damage to any armor type. Also frostmourne having a big "THIS SWORD IS CURSED GUYS" sign seems rather silly when the undead originally put the sword there for Arthas to pick up.
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The sign is to keep other unintended adventurers away, clearly.
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Ner'zhul felt very sad that Kil'jaeden the Deceiver tricked him* into becoming a Chaos Orc, so he treats his potential minions with respect and gives them an upfront warning. * Protip: Never trust anyone with "the Deceiver" in their name. E: The whole "the Lich King is a former Orc" thing isn't a spoiler. It's in the manual! 
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Did you do unit card pop-ins for the Sorceress and Priest? I don't seem to recall them. Anyway, loving the LP so far, as before. Looking forward to the Undead hijinx.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Did you do unit card pop-ins for the Sorceress and Priest? I don't seem to recall them. I did priest, someone pointed out I forgot Sorceress so I'm going to put it in a "missed things" roundup episode at some point.
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Jan 11, 2016 11:00
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What's the state of your backlog at this point, Jsor?
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Aumanor posted:What's the state of your backlog at this point, Jsor? I have the next episode (which is another demo/Thrall intermission), and I've done partial commentary for the one after that, but making the new unit cards and episode slate takes a bit.
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Jsor, not sure if you're aware of this but Blizzard retconned Muradin's story in WotLK, where he's found alive. Apparently he just lost his memory but regained it after he was found in Northrend 
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Sealing Arthas' fate as the most incompetent villain in a series full of them. Man can't even kill a dwarf right.
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Excuse me but it was clearly frostmourne that killed killed Muradin, not Arthas. Arthas was just staring at the whole show. Trogdos! posted:Jsor, not sure if you're aware of this but Blizzard retconned Muradin's story in WotLK, where he's found alive. Apparently he just lost his memory but regained it after he was found in Northrend 
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