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Kanthulhu posted:The idea that you can classify people as either theistic, agnostic or atheistic and thus agnosticism is like the middle ground is wrong. Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. Someone can be both or neither of them. look at you fuckin telling people how it is
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Agnostic theists are Literally Retarded. Hmm derp, can't know if God I real but I'm gonna believe anyways. Why don't you believe I'll triple your investments? Gimme your routing and checking number.
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Dec 26, 2015 23:47
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Jastiger posted:Agnostic theists are Literally Retarded. Honestly they probably would you just gotta play up their ego and man let me tell you nothing showers off feeling like you gotta be nice to those stupid bastards to pay your bills.
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Dec 26, 2015 23:48
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Jastiger posted:Agnostic theists are Literally Retarded.
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Dec 26, 2015 23:54
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Jastiger posted:Agnostic theists are Literally Retarded. It could just be pragmatism, i.e. "God makes me feel better, even if it doesn't exist, so I guess I'll believe." How do science with God???
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Dec 26, 2015 23:56
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as a dire cynic i sometimes wish i believed in something so i kinda get why people are/become (ie. later in life) religious; even very intelligent people. but as a dire cynic i don't/can't believe so i guess i am hosed.
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Dec 27, 2015 00:00
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Eumenides posted:It could just be pragmatism, i.e. "God makes me feel better, even if it doesn't exist, so I guess I'll believe." It's not though. Rain man is a fictional character. They are retarded and are taking a short cut to jesus.
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Dec 27, 2015 00:02
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thathonkey posted:as a dire cynic i sometimes wish i believed in something so i kinda get why people are/become (ie. later in life) religious; even very intelligent people. but as a dire cynic i don't/can't believe so i guess i am hosed. does tht mean yu're bigger than a normal cynic?
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Dec 27, 2015 00:10
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Jastiger posted:It's not though. Rain man is a fictional character. They are retarded and are taking a short cut to jesus. ive never seen that mvie but I know what I don\t know and what I don't know is this: everything about god
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Dec 27, 2015 00:10
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Eumenides posted:does tht mean yu're bigger than a normal cynic? i've put on a little weight but that's really rude to point it out just wanted to let you know
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Dec 27, 2015 00:15
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Jastiger posted:Agnostic theists are Literally Retarded. Probably because your investment scheme has a high amount of risk involved, as opposed to wasting an hour every other Sunday. Unless you're church is a Scientology center.
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Dec 27, 2015 00:18
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the notion of god has nothing to do with literal "truth" anyone can tell you that. most religions are internally consistent, or at least internally consistent enough, to establish satisfying believable story worlds which include you, dear believer
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Dec 27, 2015 00:23
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Kanthulhu posted:The idea that you can classify people as either theistic, agnostic or atheistic and thus agnosticism is like the middle ground is wrong. Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. Someone can be both or neither of them. pretty sure gnosticism and agnosticism have nothing to do with each other, based off of quick google searches hth
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Dec 27, 2015 00:34
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Mein Eyes! posted:the notion of god has nothing to do with literal "truth" anyone can tell you that. most religions are internally consistent, or at least internally consistent enough, to establish satisfying believable story worlds which include you, dear believer This statement is the opposite of reality, particularly where the Abrahamic faiths are concerned. Viewed purely as fiction their "holy books" are internally inconsistent, self-contradicting, poorly plotted and lack compelling characters. Taking them as anything more than mediocre anthologies of ancient myths is bizarre and symptomatic of stupidity and/or delusion.
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Dec 27, 2015 00:35
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I worship Crom. He lives in the ground.
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Dec 27, 2015 00:39
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i haven't read the thread but gnosticism refers to knowledge, while theism refers to belief.
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Dec 27, 2015 00:41
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Pennant posted:i haven't read the thread but gnosticism refers to knowledge, while theism refers to belief. he's probably mixing it up with capital g Gnosticism which is what most ppl are talking about when gnosticism (like chrome really really wants me to capitalize this) comes up iirc Gnosticism is some super hardcore version of christianity that believes old testament god is actually an evil entity and who can blame them really if you've read much of the old rape and pillage testament
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Dec 27, 2015 00:57
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A misanthrope posted:dont let what other people do influence your beliefs. that's weak son it doesn't that's just what I say to people rude enough to ask. my actual beliefs are complicated and convoluted, and I don't want to bother explaining them to people
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Dec 27, 2015 01:22
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i went to a private christian high school and had bible class every day. that's a really good way to turn someone into an atheist 
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Dec 27, 2015 01:57
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Agnostic is euphemism for either Pussy or Ignorant, neither of which you'd want to be described as, right?
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Dec 27, 2015 05:01
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corn for the corn god
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Dec 27, 2015 05:02
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there is no god
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Dec 27, 2015 05:21
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but allah, and muhammad is his prophet
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Dec 27, 2015 05:22
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Pennant posted:i haven't read the thread but gnosticism refers to knowledge, while theism refers to belief. correct. the reason "agnostic" is used as a mutually exclusive label from "atheist" is because many people attribute so strong a stigma to the word atheist that merely identifying as it will be considered a hostile act by them, so agnostic is basically used as a euphemism to mean "I'm an atheist, sorry for holding a position that is not considered socially acceptable to you, please forgive me". although in some cases it's a euphemism for "I don't believe in wizards, but I do believe in magic". in my experience the preferred euphemism in that case is "spiritual, not religious".
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Dec 27, 2015 05:24
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can you prove a shitpost exists are poo poo posts ever truly known
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Dec 27, 2015 05:50
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Jastiger posted:Agnostic theists are Literally Retarded. you my friend would love prosperity theology
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Dec 27, 2015 06:42
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Jastiger posted:Agnostic theists are Literally Retarded. you're misunderstanding the definition of agnosticism it comes from the greek "gnosis" or "knowledge" in this case specifically the knowledge of whether it can be definitely proven whether or not there is a god so agnostic theists think it is impossible to 100% prove god and rely on faith instead. gnostic theists believe god can be proven. most christians are agnostic.
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Dec 27, 2015 07:30
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arent catholics the ones who think you can prove the existence of god and they came up with a bunch of gay little logic puzzles about it
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thathonkey posted:as a dire cynic i sometimes wish i believed in something so i kinda get why people are/become (ie. later in life) religious; even very intelligent people. but as a dire cynic i don't/can't believe so i guess i am hosed. you all get to die tho.
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the agnoistic/gnostic theist/atheist thing is sperging bullshit. you cant divide people into 4 clear cut categories any more than you can divide them into 2 for one thing it leaves out your thoughts on epistemology, like you could say you don't know if there is a god, or you could assert that it is impossible for you or anyone ele to know if there's a god and anyone who says they do or acts as though they do is deluded, which is definitely not sitting on the fence
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Dec 27, 2015 10:22
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im having painful flashbacks to phil 101
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Dec 27, 2015 10:25
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I'm pretty sure huxley wasn't being a coward when he coined the term idiot. Only read the first page.
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Dec 27, 2015 11:02
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Durrr me got autism , whats derrr etymological fallacy. Retard.
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Dec 27, 2015 11:23
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A.Barnum posted:Durrr me got autism , whats derrr etymological fallacy. Retard. in your case its actaully the entomological fallacy, because you have no brains, but instead primitive nerve ganglia, like an insect
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eSports Chaebol posted:in your case its actaully the entomological fallacy, because you have no brains, but instead primitive nerve ganglia, like an insect Good one.
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eSports Chaebol posted:in your case its actaully the entomological fallacy, because you have no brains, but instead primitive nerve ganglia, like an insect The word you are looking for is automaton. Moron.
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vug posted:the agnoistic/gnostic theist/atheist thing is sperging bullshit. you cant divide people into 4 clear cut categories any more than you can divide them into 2 That's Agnostic Atheism. Welcome to the club.
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Dec 27, 2015 14:10
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ashgromnies posted:you're misunderstanding the definition of agnosticism Except no Christians think Jesus died on the cross and the poo poo in the bible is true. It's ridiculous for someone to say it's impossible to know something, but I'm gonna go ahead and believe it anyways. That's something an idiot would do. So Christians that think it's impossible to prove god, but still believe are being really dumb. Name me any instance where it's acceptable to believe in something 100% without any evidence. You can't because we call people that do that gullible idiots.
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wiffle ball bat posted:arent catholics the ones who think you can prove the existence of god and they came up with a bunch of gay little logic puzzles about it That's indeed a prevalent trait of catholic theology but present mostly through Medieval age and Modernity. People like Thomas Aquinas, Anselm of Canterbury and early Modern philsophers like Blaise Pascal tried to prove god using logic and philosophy. Contemporary theologies don't do that (mostly) though. Even the pope is cool with being unable to prove god's existance.
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The real issue is decoupling the existence of God from an after-life. The universe can have a creator but that has nothing to do with the persistence of an individual's memory and personality. With all we know about biology and physiology that idea that only humans have immortal souls is comparable to belief in a geocentric universe.
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