cathead posted:

Tera kind of gets a pass in most people's books because it actually attempted to do something different when MMOs were all basically just tab-target hotkey style. It's definitely not a perfect system.


I said this in the old thread but I think some of the eventual success of the game depends on how the players actually consume the system design and content they're providing. Like ok, we've got separate campaigns with different rulesets, but what if everyone flocks to one type and not another? Thankfully they seem prepared to monitor those kinds of trends and iterate and adjust accordingly, but you only get so many chances to make something really work before people just give up. This is why I think it's imperative that they get the combat right and feeling good, because people will stick around for a lot longer despite other design issues if they feel the day-to-day gameplay is fun to do.

cathead posted:

I don't think they were capping it. It was basically "whoever's on this particular campaign server at the time and shows up" kind of idea. Obviously there are some technical considerations there, and that's supposed to be the focus of their next testing phase after combat.

Blazing Zero posted:

ok


you've framed the issue with full loot pvp mmos exactly. if you try to stop the blobs from blobbing, they leave. once they leave, the deathspiral of "cant find anyone" starts. if you let the blobs exist, the solo minded and self-imposed smaller sized groups leave. the blobs have nothing to kill, they leave.

Lastgirl posted:

there will be caravans.

Check out this example that they're trying to envision

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IolWGu7xFlw

Gerbil_Pen posted:

EK hosts trophies / relics which are supposed to confer some stat increases. There's also your bank where everything not in the campaigns is stored.

It is also where most trading and crafting takes place when not in a campaign.

Tarion posted:

I kickstarted this and it seems pretty interesting. Hope it works out.

Zizi posted:

I for one, am looking forward to yet-another-probably-terrible game to play with the likes of Kimsemus and Stormgale because Who-knows-it-might-be-good. I'm unreasonably optimistic about Crowfall, though. I like the weird systems they're trying to put together.

Flavahbeast posted:

Yeah the funnest parts of WoW were the weird bugs and exploits in vanilla, like the Hakkar blood plague in every town the night ZG came out or when the Orgrimmar general chat server got overloaded during the AQ materials gathering event and gave me moderation privileges

Orv posted:

I fuckin' warned you about Crowfall man, I warned you!

Blazing Zero posted:

im pretty sure you heard from me or LG, kim back in the days of us writing terrible posts

cathead posted:

New article up about the Ranger archetype. Melee and ranged playstyles, but you'll need ammo for the bow (ugh). Hopefully her melee won't be too lovely.

Apparently you'll be able to craft your own arrows though, and there will be a discipline to specialize into that. I hope we have a decent amount of bag/bank space in this game considering all the bodies and arrows and other poo poo we'll be carrying around.

Zizi posted:

I've been playing a lot of Divinity: Original Sin with my spouse lately and I kind of like the way it's done in that game-- Regular boring arrows and arrows used in skills are infinite and come from the ether, so to speak, but special-effect arrows (fire arrows, ice arrows, poison arrows, charm arrows, knockback arrows, etc) are items you craft/loot and carry around. I'd like to see it taken a step farther and see specialty arrows that apply a buff to your next attack, which can be a skill. So you could use a fire arrow item to add fire to the attack and then use the ricocheting shot skill to burn multiple guys with one fire arrow or whatever.

Capntastic posted:

I played in the alpha for about twenty minutes. Really wonky control lag (turning camera would sometimes flip you around entirely) but running around in groups, killing zombie cats and picking up loot seemed to work. It was all Shadowbane. Eventually we'd run into a similar group on the opposing team and the fun would really begin. Even with the control issues I was having fun picking off stragglers that would get split off trying to chase people.

Tyrant, the dev who did a lot of stuff during Ultima Online, was in the chatroom afterwards.

All in all, not so bad, but there's still a long road to go.

Lastgirl posted:

Well it's also with the progression of technology too, so I can agree that a decade is a reasonable timeframe. Faster internet will be one of the most integral things in mmo design. Lower latencies as more complex games will become ping reliant. It'll be symbiotic and allow developers to do more with what they envisioned without the limits of such.

I've had the take away that lag is a very bad thing to have in action oriented games~

And it's obvious that mmos are moving away from tab targeting for mobility and aiming. One of my gripes in MMOs is too much realism at times, walking around is tedious. I really enjoyed Flyff, Age of Wulin/Wushu, Blade and Soul for being able to fly with your characters. I also always thought mounts were dumb and trendy and they used to be so popular that it felt like mounts were always mandatory for a successful mmo design even though they were frivolous as gently caress. (The answer to mounts was boring as gently caress fast travel) I just hope that developers can take away from that and look for ways to be more creative about getting around areas too, not just combat innovation.

If I remember in Crowfall, I suppose they are doing mounts but if they make item loss across all campaigns, a(nd campaigns right now are all incubators of some crazy social experiment to see what kind of meta will arise and what people will exploit or won't), the mounts should be okay afaik within reason and consequences. I also know that the Fae assassin can glide. If they can glide off a tall cliff and jump into an enemy stronghold, that would own for example too.

I remain stoic though, I've learned that it is....

too much, my friend.

2DCAT posted:

I'm more concerned that Crowfall's engine/architecture won't allow for lag-free large scale PVP.

Stormgale posted:

I mean explicitly the "Faction" Pvp of order chaos and balance necessitates intrigue from the balance side to ensure the war isn't decidedly won by either other faction

Lastgirl posted:

its true

and im glad of it

Capntastic posted:

Kimsemus did nothing wrong

SweetBro posted:

No, you stay outta of this.

eonwe posted:

Capntastic posted:

I am glad of these changes

BadLlama posted:

Speaking of Conan Exiles, is that a thing now? Any chance it can be good?