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FactsAreUseless posted:Five Adorable Cat Gifs That Perfectly Sum Up Our Reaction To True Detective Season 2 
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Jan 1, 2016 17:22
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Season 2 of True Detective was not great, but I don't naturally expect season 3 to be the same, especially after the critical backlash
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Jan 1, 2016 17:27
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Hakkesshu posted:Season 2 of True Detective was not great, but I don't naturally expect season 3 to be the same, especially after the critical backlash It depends if they understand what they did wrong though. If they don't, they could still gently caress it up pretty badly by trying recapture what made season 1 great.
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Jan 1, 2016 17:28
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Hakkesshu posted:Season 2 of True Detective was not great, but I don't naturally expect season 3 to be the same, especially after the critical backlash I just need to point out that season 2 was a response to the critical backlash of season one. that's how pizzolatto reacts to criticism. that's the tv he makes when he tries to address complaints.
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Toxxupation posted:I just need to point out that season 2 was a response to the critical backlash of season one. that's how pizzolatto reacts to criticism. that's the tv he makes when he tries to address complaints. How so? I could maybe see the lack of cosmic horror stuff as a response to crazy internet theorycrafting but almost everything else feels a lot more like sophomore slump combined with Nic Pizzolatto losing most of his collaborators from season 1 and doing everything himself.
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Jan 1, 2016 17:31
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FactsAreUseless posted:Just be aware that the second season of Fargo is either better or worse than the first season. Wow, harsh.
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Jan 1, 2016 17:49
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Schrödinger's Fargo Season
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Wheat Loaf posted:I've been watching Millennium recently and it's been pretty good so far. Obviously it has this Chris Carter overarching myth arc (I have to be honest, I'm not all that fussed on it for all that people rave about it - the whole apocalyptic thing) but it actually reminds me a lot of Criminal Minds, with the freaky serial killer of the week procedural dimension. If it had come out 10 years later I imagine it could have been a major hit. Season 2 is one of my favourite runs of Television ever. It's all Morgan/Wong knowing they likely have one season to tell a story and just going for it. Season 1 is fine, but it's sort of just a one man CRIMINAL MINDS though it doesn't always end with the same safe and easy resolution as that show does. It's a shame that in the behind the scenes stuff no one really has anything good to say about it, since it has some really inventive episodes. It builds to an amazing end, but then Season 3 was a last minute renewal and has to do some major backtracking (It's also by and large not worth touching).
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Jan 1, 2016 19:22
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I'm of two minds about season two, to be honest. I certainly think it's very good, but frankly I'm not really all that fussed on eschatology storylines. 
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Jan 1, 2016 20:04
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I watched the first couple minutes of Billions. It's a huge mistake and I will never see another Paul Giamatti show/movie.
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Jan 1, 2016 20:19
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Mu Zeta posted:I watched the first couple minutes of Billions. It's a huge mistake and I will never see another Paul Giamatti show/movie. I'm not surprised at all, the trailers made it look absolutely horrendous. Another Showtime misfire.
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Jan 1, 2016 20:23
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Okay, I told myself I was gonna avoid it, but One-Punch Man is pretty funny so far. "Kill that man on your shoulder!"
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Jan 1, 2016 20:34
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CUTTHROAT KITCHEN is great TV. It's a cooking show as well as a show that reveals the pettiness of people at times. All hosted by a knowing Alton Brown. There's 2 seasons of it on Netflix and it's been the highlight of my New Year's Day viewing.
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Jan 1, 2016 20:37
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Oh I finally watched Jinx. You guys were right, it was really good. But man, that Robert Durst was really just an idiot with great lawyers. Also, it really showed me how hosed up our criminal justice system is, that a man who cut people up could just walk out of jail after a day, as long as he could drop 250k for bail. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure he got the bail money back because he won his court case, despite there being clear and present evidence that he chopped up a dude, granted he was on trial for murder, not chopping up a dude. But still... There's a good Last Week Tonight episode on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS5mwymTIJU Also, he literally spent the interviews blinking "I'm guilty" in morse code. 
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Jan 1, 2016 20:39
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Mu Zeta posted:I watched the first couple minutes of Billions. It's a huge mistake and I will never see another Paul Giamatti show/movie.
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Jan 1, 2016 20:53
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Both seasons of Millennium are great for different reasons. When season 1 was first airing I had a friend who was crazy for it that was the doorman at the local punk bar type place and after it closed on nights when new episodes had aired me and a couple other people would meet up at his house to watch the episode that he had set his VCR to record earlier. Well the first such night we did that, I was on mushrooms and- ah crap I made it less than 24 hours into 2016 without a pointless drug story!
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Jan 1, 2016 20:58
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Sober posted:What is the show even about except possibly about white people being rich or making money? That doesn't automatically make a show bad though 
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Jan 1, 2016 20:59
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B686SK_uDMo
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Jan 1, 2016 21:03
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Thinking of the José Chung episode in the second season of Millennium, and specifically the bit where Frank envisages himself as this over-the-top Flashman meets Miami Vice type investigator, has anyone ever done (bear with me here) a crime or investigation series where the subject matter can be really dark or gritty, but the protagonist is faintly ridiculous as though they got lost on the way to a comedy series?
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Jan 1, 2016 21:33
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Is there a place that Millenium can be watched legally for free? Like netflix/amazon/hulu? (in the US). Because I should really check it out.
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Jan 1, 2016 21:38
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Wheat Loaf posted:Thinking of the José Chung episode in the second season of Millennium, and specifically the bit where Frank envisages himself as this over-the-top Flashman meets Miami Vice type investigator, has anyone ever done (bear with me here) a crime or investigation series where the subject matter can be really dark or gritty, but the protagonist is faintly ridiculous as though they got lost on the way to a comedy series? The original Bridge can be like that.
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Jan 1, 2016 21:56
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Wheat Loaf posted:as anyone ever done (bear with me here) a crime or investigation series where the subject matter can be really dark or gritty, but the protagonist is faintly ridiculous as though they got lost on the way to a comedy series? Luther
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Jan 1, 2016 21:58
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Posted it in the main thread, but I appreciate the recommendations to give The 100 another go when I asked in the last Couch Chat thread. It proved worthwhile. And grim! Here's a broader question: what episodes of Buffy and Angel are worth a(nother) look? I watched the entirety of Buffy when I was a kid, but there's a lot I do not remember, I tried a rewatch several years back, but didn't make it through season 3. Even though I really liked the humour and some of the ideas, the quality massively varied from episode to episode, the teen melodrama was too much and I always found Buffy herself quite an unlikeable lead. Plus, the way these shows had so many episodes back then, it worked week-to-week, butt sometimes just doesn't hold up for binge viewing. I did go back and watch Hush (the one with no dialogue), The Body (the one with...that awkward vampire at the end) and Once More With Feeling (the best musical episode of a TV show ever?) - which were all top tier television. People still make reference to the show and some of its biggest moments that I don't remember, and I'm curious if there's any I should go back and watch like those three. Angel I, strangely, watched up to Doyle's death and then stopped, not even halfway through season 1. (I really liked that character.) I ended up catching a few of the later eps were there was a funny camp demon with a green face, and Angel had an evil whiny son from the future or something? It seemed offputtingly wacky, but apparently people really loved that show and I CONSTANTLY see references to the finale. Is it worth committing to a full watch, or are there just standout eps I should check out? Essential viewing guides really should be more popular...
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Jan 1, 2016 22:05
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Sober posted:What is the show even about except possibly about white people being rich or making money? From the 20-odd minutes I've seen? I'm thinking it has a lot to do with the ways masculinity is tied up in money and the harm we do to ourselves and others to protect it. This was a healthy part of Breaking Bad's subtext to be sure, but Billions is positioning itself to dig in a little deeper. That said, Dan Fienberg's review (don't have a link handy right now, sorry) doesn't seem to think there's much to it overall, and he's seen six episodes.
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Jan 1, 2016 22:09
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VagueRant posted:Posted it in the main thread, but I appreciate the recommendations to give The 100 another go when I asked in the last Couch Chat thread. It proved worthwhile. And grim! My controversial opinion on this is that yes, Buffy is very good and you should watch the whole thing, but that Angel is garbage and you shouldn't waste your time. Buffy works because it's a great coming of age arc for all the characters, and angel doesn't have this component at all and all the characters have no excuse for acting like moronic teenagers and the stories themselves are interesting or funny enough to make up for the characters being worse than Buffy characters across the board. But also, I mean, you watched some of the best episodes of Buffy out of order, so that's lame. Buffy has lots of good neat characters bits in almost every episode, even the bad ones. I've watched the series about three times through, and even though there's episodes I feel like I want to skip, as I'm watching them I realize that a good character moment was in that episode that is semi-important.
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Snak posted:Is there a place that Millenium can be watched legally for free? Like netflix/amazon/hulu? (in the US). Because I should really check it out. If the US is anything like the UK, check out your local thrift store for 'next to free'.
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Snak posted:Is there a place that Millenium can be watched legally for free? Like netflix/amazon/hulu? (in the US). Because I should really check it out. Sadly as far as I know there's nothing. The DVDs can be had for dirt cheap though but I would be surprised if it ever sees another release. Speaking of, the episode 'The Mikado' has a pretty good commentary from the writer. Basically the killer is broadcasting it over the internet, but the writer insisted that it be realistic so rather than some magical constant stream you get an image that refreshes every 10 seconds. I thought it was a nice touch they didn't have to bother with. Also, last word on that show, but man Lance Henrikson is great and grounds the outlandishness with a real world-weariness. It's a shame no one has ever really written anything for him since.
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Jan 1, 2016 22:23
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DrVenkman posted:Speaking of, the episode 'The Mikado' has a pretty good commentary from the writer. Basically the killer is broadcasting it over the internet, but the writer insisted that it be realistic so rather than some magical constant stream you get an image that refreshes every 10 seconds. I thought it was a nice touch they didn't have to bother with. After watching that episode the other day (I believe the killer's outfit is based on what the Zodiac Killer was wearing as described by one of his survivors) I mentioned in the X-Files thread that the cold open has a great  moment when there's three guys enthusing about how there must be at least 39 hours of porn on the Internet.
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Snak posted:My controversial opinion on this is that yes, Buffy is very good and you should watch the whole thing, but that Angel is garbage and you shouldn't waste your time. Buffy works because it's a great coming of age arc for all the characters, and angel doesn't have this component at all and all the characters have no excuse for acting like moronic teenagers and the stories themselves are interesting or funny enough to make up for the characters being worse than Buffy characters across the board. But I think Angel was the superior show, even if the themes and allegories weren't as strong. Buffy is a coming-of-age show, but Angel is about how you're supposed to live as an adult in a dark, corrupting world: "We live as though the world was as it SHOULD be, to show what it CAN be." Season 1 is pretty weak (same with Buffy), but Seasons 2-4 are one mega-arc with countless amazing, epic moments, and the show successfully rehabilitates all the obnoxious characters from Buffy. And Season 5, despite a major shift in tone, is my favorite season of all.
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I watched the first 3 seasons of angel and I don't think I liked a single episode. People told me " oh you quit just before it got good". I watch plenty of dramas about being adults. That show doesn't seem to be about anything.
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Jan 1, 2016 22:59
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DivisionPost posted:From the 20-odd minutes I've seen? I'm thinking it has a lot to do with the ways masculinity is tied up in money and the harm we do to ourselves and others to protect it. This was a healthy part of Breaking Bad's subtext to be sure, but Billions is positioning itself to dig in a little deeper. less laughter posted:That doesn't automatically make a show bad though
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Jan 1, 2016 23:00
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DrVenkman posted:CUTTHROAT KITCHEN is great TV. It's a cooking show as well as a show that reveals the pettiness of people at times. All hosted by a knowing Alton Brown. There's 2 seasons of it on Netflix and it's been the highlight of my New Year's Day viewing. It's a really good fit for Brown, too. He had said on multiple occasions that he was really tired of doing Next Iron Chef and Food Network Star because he's never considered himself a chef. He's allowed to have a lot more fun on Cutthroat Kitchen, much like he did on Good Eats. He's clearly so much happier nowadays.
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Ravane posted:Oh I finally watched Jinx. You guys were right, it was really good. But man, that Robert Durst was really just an idiot with great lawyers. Also, it really showed me how hosed up our criminal justice system is, that a man who cut people up could just walk out of jail after a day, as long as he could drop 250k for bail. To me, that doc was at least as much about how justice is for sale as it was how this one psycho got away with so much then hosed it all up monologuing in an empty room. The OG affluenza sufferer I guess.
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Jan 1, 2016 23:23
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I just started watching Big Time in Hollywood, Fl tonight. It's super funny so far, didn't get much press from what I could tell but I'm laughing lots. Stephen Tobolowsky is amazing.
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Timby posted:It's a really good fit for Brown, too. He had said on multiple occasions that he was really tired of doing Next Iron Chef and Food Network Star because he's never considered himself a chef. He's allowed to have a lot more fun on Cutthroat Kitchen, much like he did on Good Eats. He's clearly so much happier nowadays. It's great because he gets to play it up a little bit too and have fun with it. Some of the people they get on are terrible though, which I guess is all part of the fun (Apart from DJ CHEF, who's as legit as he sounds).
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Jan 1, 2016 23:35
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Sober posted:I don't want to be too presumptuous about it but I feel like those themes would be better served it if was about either about either a blue collar family that became noveau riche or something rather than what I can only assume is a bunch of white investment bankers doing Wall Street things. It just seems very passe to me. Funny you should say that because that's something they're explicitly playing with. Bobby Axelrod (Damian Lewis) came from a blue collar background to build his fortune with his own hands and still has blue collar tastes, loyalties, and attitudes. On the other hand, Chuck Rhoades (Paul Giamatti), the US Attorney, comes from old money. He only starts to take a serious interest in Axelrod after he hears Axelrod wants to buy a mansion in the same neighborhood as Rhoades' father. I mean look, I don't think you're gonna do a full 180 on the show if you see it for yourself, but there's a lot more going on here than "rich people have problems, are still better than you."
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Snak posted:I watched the first 3 seasons of angel and I don't think I liked a single episode. People told me " oh you quit just before it got good". I watch plenty of dramas about being adults. That show doesn't seem to be about anything. Season 4 had a very weak storyline. The actress who played Cordelia, Charisma Carpenter, has a big part in the story, but she's said, in hindsight, it's the worst her character has ever been written, that she hates that season and how she got sent off. That should tell you how much it sucked. That and we get Vincent Kartheiser as Connor, who is the biggest, whiniest pain in the rear end since Dawn in Buffy. Introducing new teens when people have grown is always a bad tv formula. I will say, the send-off to the show, season 5, is my favorite in Angel though, and my favorite season in the entire series. Season 5, episode 8 is amazing. I loved Spike and Angel duking it out. Harm's Way (season 5 episode 9) is also funny as hell, then again, I loved Harmony. Smile Time (season 5 episode 14) has evil muppet people. It sets you up for funny before the next two, which are heart-wrenching with the loss of Fred and the coming of Illyria. The Girl In Question (season 5 episode 20) is the big Buffy/Angel crossover that couldn't really happen with SMG's commitments, but tried anyway and did a hilarious job doing so. Finally, the last episode, Not Fade Away (season 5, episode 22) finished if off really well, in my opinion, especially considering the tone the show has of utter bleakness at this point. VagueRant posted:Here's a broader question: what episodes of Buffy and Angel are worth a(nother) look? And since it's going to bother me if I don't, personally, I think Buffy is the superior show and here are the Buffy episodes I'd recommend, just to understand that particular season and each its Big Bad. I'm only doing 3 seasons just in case I'm not doing exactly what you intended when you asked this question. Season 1: EP 1, Welcome to the Hellmouth, if only to be introduced to the Scoobies and get a glimpse at how much they're going to change throughout the series. EP 2, The Harvest, to get a bigger glimpse into Buffy's abilities and a pretty good grasp of her witticisms. EP 7, Angel, to get his backstory and the romance portion of the show all in one go. and EP 12, Prophecy Girl, to see what Buffy has to go through as the Chosen One and her ultimate duties to take on The Master. Season 2: EP1, When She Was Bad, to see The Master storyline concluded. EP 3, School Hard, to meet Spike and Drusilla. EP 6, Halloween, because it's just fun to see all the Scoobies run around as other people. EP 7, just because the Billy Fordham story had an interesting ending, EP 10, What's My Line (Pt 2), to get the conclusion of Angel needing to be there for Drusilla, EP 13, to see the beginning of Angelus and EP 14, Innocence, to get Buffy's reaction, EP 17, to find out why Angelus is a prick and how they go about trying to fix poo poo with Jenny's ultimate demise. Lastly EP 22, if only to round out the Angelus arc. That ending was epic. Season 3: EP3, Faith, Hope, & Trick, to get to meeting Faith, EP5, Homecoming, just because I find the Buffy vs Cordelia dynamic to be funny as hell, EP6-9, because they are either funny (6), manipulative (7), the return of Spike and eye-opening to Angel and Buffy (8), or have new characters introduced (9). EP 12, Helpless, to see what Buffy can do as she weakens, EP 16, to see evil Willow pt. 1, EP 18, because this one is pretty funny before going very real for its time, close to Columbine, EP 19, Prom, for heart-wrenching bittersweet moments, and the last 2, Graducation Day Pt 1 and 2, to see the Ascension. Pan Dulce fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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DivisionPost posted:Funny you should say that because that's something they're explicitly playing with. Bobby Axelrod (Damian Lewis) came from a blue collar background to build his fortune with his own hands and still has blue collar tastes, loyalties, and attitudes. On the other hand, Chuck Rhoades (Paul Giamatti), the US Attorney, comes from old money. He only starts to take a serious interest in Axelrod after he hears Axelrod wants to buy a mansion in the same neighborhood as Rhoades' father.
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Sherlock: The Abominable Bride is going to be streaming on PBS' site tonight at 9PM EST. I know a lot of people (including myself) wee burned by season 3 but a stand-alone 1890s episode still sounds like a fun time.
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