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ronya posted:Conversely, all the Labour right has to do is hold the line amongst the more cognizant members
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Pissflaps posted:By that logic shouldn't Corbyn have been deselected years ago?
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Pissflaps posted:But Ddraig is advocating that Corbyn does everything he can to have MPs deselected? He just said getting rid of them, he could be arguing for their summary execution behind the chemical sheds. Or for teenage girls to flirt with them, maybe.
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Pissflaps posted:Quite right. And their selection or not is not the 'representative' part of representative democracy. News to me that it's impossible to stand for election as an independent MP. Also, MPs represent their constituents, not their constituency political parties. quote:I think it would be interpreted as exactly what it was - the labour leadership seeking to deselect MPs that aren't on-side. Such as er Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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Pissflaps posted:It's news to me too - I'm not sure why you think I've said that. Misread your post and missed a 'not', sorry. Not sorry. Pissflaps posted:Why what?
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Jan 2, 2016 01:47
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Pissflaps posted:Why would Corbyn be 'encouraging' something if he didn't want it to happen? 'It' here refers to one specific outcome amongst many. As noted reform could also harm Corbynite converts unpopular with their CLPs.
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Pissflaps posted:I asked ddraig if, by the logic he put forward in his post, Corbyn himself should have been deselected years ago. ddraig posted:In an ideal world Corbyn would be doing everything to get rid of the shits who completely undermine the party and routinely don't actually bother to listen to the people they claim to represent, but his hand is forced because by doing so he's playing into the persecution fantasies of people who think that he's just as bad as they are.
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Pissflaps posted:How about the bit before the and you chose not to bold? It doesn't really matter since it's after the 'and' that's important. An MP who opposes party leadership against the wishes of their CLP should be deselected. Presumably, that hasn't been the case with Corbyn. (Could an MP deselected by leader's diktat, but who has the support of his CLP not simply be reselected anyway?)
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Shitposting is his fetish, we helped get him in the mood. 
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Pissflaps posted:No you didn't. I don't want to gently caress my sisters. With those genes, who could blame you
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feedmegin posted:What the hell is happening itt Pissflaps won't gently caress his sisters and we're really upset about that
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Jan 4, 2016 11:36
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Pissflaps posted:It's going to be hard for anyone to reverse the damage done by the Corbyn exercise in time for 2020. It's damage limitation at this point. You misspelled 'May general election'. And are also a bellend. Hope that helps! Edit: I note that this position allows you to blame Corbyn for literally any bad news relating to Labour up to 2020 even if he were to step down immediately. Do we have a Blairite-speak at all? Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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Jan 6, 2016 12:41
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Pissflaps posted:There isn't a general election in May. Do I have to point out that you used the past tense?
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Jan 6, 2016 12:47
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Pissflaps posted:He said What the hell are you on about? The general election last May, and the campaign leading up to it was a complete disaster for Labour. If you think Labour's problems began with Corbyn winning the leadership contest you are frankly deluded. My edit should have made it pretty clear that I wasn't talking about changing 2020 anyway.
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Pissflaps posted:No it's not clear at all. There are elections in May, but not a general one. quote:General elections aren't the cause of damage, they're a measure of a party's popularity with the public. Would you suggest that the Lib Dem's problems were caused by their showing in the general election?
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Jan 6, 2016 13:11
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Pissflaps posted:There is nothing temporally unusual about Corbyn's leadership, its just made things worse. I don't understand why this is a difficult thing to understand.
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think things would be fine. I think they would be less bad now, and improving rather than degrading. Based on what exactly? You won't even commit to supporting a named alternative leader.
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Jan 6, 2016 13:21
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dispatch_async posted:You can't say he's made things worse than the last leader when the last leader led the party to a crushing general election defeat, disastrous result in the Scottish parliament elections, was beaten by UKIP in the EU election and had multiple poor showings in local elections. Corbyn hasn't even achieved a quarter of Miliband's extensive record of failure. Now, let me tell you why Liz Kendall would be much better at the job
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Jan 6, 2016 13:23
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Pissflaps posted:For me, it's mainly that she's a fat gobshite with an annoying voice. Sizeism against a black woman? Problematic.
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Jan 7, 2016 17:42
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Guavanaut posted:What's the game where he seizes control of the means of mass communication? Far Cry 4 iirc
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Jan 7, 2016 21:41
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Guavanaut posted:Facebook is here with the news that the BBC won't tell you. It's no #drummondpuddlewatch, that's for sure.
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Jan 8, 2016 10:39
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Gonzo McFee posted:loving Hell. Barbour is based in South Shields so I'm taking this as tacit admittance that in the event of Scotland breaking free, everything north of the Wear is going with it. 
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baka kaba posted:Seriously? He literally just put out an album, that's bizarre He had cancer for 18 months beforehand apparently.
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Renaissance Robot posted:Isn't that something you usually prioritise in the colonies? There's a great book on this subject by Heather Streets called Martial Races: The Military, Race and Masculinity in British Imperial Culture, 1857-1914, that follows British military recruitment amongst the Gurkhas, Sikhs and Scottish Highlanders. Long story short: the same basic logic and ideology underpinned military recruitment in the colonies and in poorer regions of the UK, specifically that military service is a natural choice, and the most beneficial, for young men from these regions, with the proviso that they are always commanded by the appropriate members of the officer class. That can be justified by any amount of propaganda. The Romans did the same poo poo though so yeah Pissflaps posted:Poor people have been joining the armed forces for centuries and for many it offers a great start to a career. Also an end in lots of cases!  Pissflaps posted:I wasn't in the cadets I couldn't say if that's a great idea or not. Plus the British military has a habit of recruiting child soldiers directly into the army so there's always that.
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forkboy84 posted:I think it is novel & admirable that the military have admitted that they exploit poverty to find recruits. Possibly because this has been well known for literally millennia. blowfish posted:Britain just needs to suck it up and get used to not being an empire anymore. Nobody cares about your poo poo country that still has some leftover nukes. 
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Jan 17, 2016 22:01
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LemonDrizzle posted:Were people from the highlands recruited any more aggressively than those from any other region with a 'local' infantry regiment? 'Highlander' became pretty meaningless as a description as the regiments incorporated anyone poor and desperate enough into their carefully manufactured traditions. It ended up meaning essentially 'a soldier in a kilt who will fight and die bravely in battle because god's blood, that's what his sort are good for'. Even if they were urban Scots, Irish or one of the 'Whitechapel Highlanders'.
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Bit behind on this but:forkboy84 posted:Well yes, the operative word is "admit". We know it goes on but they don't normally 'fess up to such so brazenly. Exhibit A: Pissflaps posted:Poor people have been joining the armed forces for centuries and for many it offers a great start to a career. No see it's okay really NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:There's talking to people and then there's talking to people who have no intention of listening. Argentina couldn't give two stuffs about any opinion other than their own over Las Malvinas, as proven when there was a crushing referendum and they went "lol nope". You absolutely can tell them to gently caress off. Would the thread accept a self-determination poll held amongst Israeli settlers in illegal settlements in Palestine?
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Jan 18, 2016 09:05
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Party Boat posted:I didn't realise Falklanders were bulldozing Argentinian homes. A poll held exclusively among current residents is a bit meaningless from Argentina's perspective. What exactly does it prove? That people living there don't want to move? It's not the only basis for accepting British sovereignty so I don't see why it's some amazing gotcha. See also: the Crimean referendum.
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Jan 18, 2016 09:21
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Party Boat posted:Which Argentinians are being displaced and driven from their homes? Although I notice the opposition to my example relies on displaced Palestinians still being alive and wanting to return to their homes, suggesting that abandoned or empty homes are fair game?
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Jan 18, 2016 09:40
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OwlFancier posted:Yes but in your example it would be more akin to asking the palestinians whether or not they want to be ruled by Israel, and then ignoring them when they say "gently caress no". Also the Falklands are pretty obviously significant to Argentina, it's why they're making so much fuss. Worth doesn't have to be economic or even strategic.
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Jan 18, 2016 11:50
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Jeza posted:Maybe you should lay out what you believe on where and for what reason national sovereignty stems from. The population of a region are of course important, but a unilateral referendum is only relevant to the side that carries it out. So in the case of the Falklands, the inhabitants have made it clear to Britain that they want to remain British, but Argentina haven't (I assume) agreed to concede their claim on the basis of that referendum, before or after it was carried out. With regards to inhabitancy, I think it's valid to lay claim to an island without having people living on it, permanently or seasonally. Unoccupied islands for what I'd think should be obvious reasons shouldn't be a cause for a free-for-all.
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Bedshaped posted:Kick everyone off the Falklands and turn it into a wildlife sanctuary. Also this.
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FWIW Corbyn has held this position on the Falklands since he was first elected MP. At least we know Flaps holds Thatcher in higher regard than Corbyn now I guess?
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tooterfish posted:I went to three funerals in a row last week. Overall, lovely start to the year. Would not recommend. OwlFancier posted:Well that's a good start to the morning, my grandmother's dead.
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Oberleutnant posted:I accidentally got up an hour early. Now what the gently caress am i supposed to do. Couch to 5k let me tell you about the jogging I do 
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Oberleutnant posted:I used to be a fairly decent long distance runner. But i blew both my achilles tendons in training for a 10k about 3 years ago and they never really healed properly, so that was that... Sounds like quittin' talk to me!
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Jan 20, 2016 09:08
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Pissflaps posted:By allowing our mistakes to be challenged we become better posters, and better people. Oberleutnant posted:Why do i even bother with you I found your mistake, Oberleutnant! With regards to civilian casualties, the case absolutely was made that the lack of civilian deaths in Iraq meant the same could be achieved in Syria. quote:I was gonna post this, you gotta quote that poo poo dawg Oh poo poo, I also live in a terrorist house in Accrington  Fun story: My aunt once let a terraced house to someone who turned out to be an IRA bombmaker, pretty sure that would count.
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Pork Pie Hat posted:Enough about the loving Falklands already, here's some space news about Planet 9 (no, it's not Pluto, deal with it). 'Planet X' sounds a lot cooler than 'Plan(et) 9 from Outer Space' though.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Does this include men voicing women in cartoons? Because if this means revoicing Dr Girlfriend then it is a hill I am willing to die on. Same but Bob's Burgers. Guavanaut posted:"Asian actors 4 Asian roles" is wonderfully unspecific and now I want to make a film where a Japanese actor plays a Korean role with all the respect that Japan typically has for that race. And an Indian actor playing a Japanese war criminal.
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Although any of the chapters about multiculturalism would have been good, it's a real tragedy that he wasn't given chapter 95 to read.
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