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Tenzarin posted:I cant wait for the government to declare me insane for not agreeing with everything it does, and then thanks to obama's free healthcare I get to stay in the mental hospital forever. There is a high probability you probably do agree with literally everything he's signing an EO on.
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i mailed the president a gun for his birthday and all i got were these federal charges 
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satanic splash-back posted:Have you considered that it is you who are stupid? Yes of course I'm also stupid but I don't think that a firearm would stop the govt from pounding me in the rear end. I'm not advocating for gun confiscation, only saying that injustice prevails despite the high number of guns and patriots
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homeless poster posted:that's the best part, he's specifically calling out 14 kids from a school shooting over 3 years ago. even if he was genuinely blubbering every night about that, how the gently caress is now the time for action? He proposed a ton of legislation after Sandy Hook and it all got shot down.
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homeless poster posted:that's the best part, he's specifically calling out 14 kids from a school shooting over 3 years ago. even if he was genuinely blubbering every night about that, how the gently caress is now the time for action? the GOP blocked everything so now he's trying an executive order BITCH
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For reference since it is too hard to google things. The White House's proposed congressional actions were these:
The GOP could have said gently caress you to everything but the last 4 things on this list because they are uncontroversial and something they harp on whenever a shooting happens but instead we got absolutely nothing done.
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Jan 5, 2016 21:45
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Obama: "hey let's re-paint the trim on this house that is currently burning down"
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Toadvine posted:Yes of course I'm also stupid but I don't think that a firearm would stop the govt from pounding me in the rear end. what do you think they would do with them, line up in rows like some Napoleonic army? the US army got kicked out of Iraq by people with a lot less and shittier weapons
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Locker Room Zubaz posted:
LOLOLOLOLOLOL motherfucker is going to buy more MRAPS and LRADs for racist scumbag cops and he's going to get the left to suck his dick for doing it.
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Jan 5, 2016 21:48
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Locker Room Zubaz posted:For reference since it is too hard to google things. Thanks Obama for proposing to spend 4+ billion more dollars of tax payer money.
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City of Tampa posted:LOLOLOLOLOLOL motherfucker is going to buy more MRAPS and LRADs for racist scumbag cops and he's going to get the left to suck his dick for doing it. 
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Jan 5, 2016 21:50
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That isn't what he proposed today that is what he proposed after Sandy Hook.
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Jan 5, 2016 21:51
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So this is it? All are guns are being taken away now? Thanks obama
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Jan 5, 2016 21:53
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You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hand. 
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I dont have a gun and I'm not american but if I did and I was I would let Obama take it away because he seems like a very nice man.
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Rare Collectable posted:I dont have a gun and I'm not american but if I did and I was I would let Obama take it away because he seems like a very nice man. 
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Jan 5, 2016 22:34
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The ATF just removed CLEO sign-off requirements for NFA items. Neat!
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Jan 5, 2016 22:45
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Great day to do this with all the deportations and all. Would hate to get Trumped by the lamestream media.
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I'm going to enjoy watching gun nuts cry over nothing.
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PoPcornTG posted:I'm going to enjoy watching gun nuts cry over nothing. same, but im going to double my pleasure by watching anti-gun nuts cry over nothing as well.
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Are people going to get angry about the increased funding for mental health? It seems uncontroversial but I don't understand the GOP anymore
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Jan 5, 2016 23:40
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Locker Room Zubaz posted:Are people going to get angry about the increased funding for mental health? It seems uncontroversial but I don't understand the GOP anymore They will because Obama is calling their bluff and they loving HATE when he does that. He said something along the lines of "Whenever there's a mass shooting, Republicans blame mental health issues. My bill proposes an additional $500 million in funding for mental health care. Put your money where your mouth is."
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it depends how the $500 million is spent, and i'm sure as hell not reading that poo poo. its easier to get angry. Basically, there isn't much in the way of mental health infrastructure left as well as legal issues that keep notably insane mass shooters like Jared Loughner from being hospitalized.
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Also, $500 million doesn't seem like a lot in the grand scheme of things. Mental health care is super expensive and there are a lot of crazy people who have easy access to guns.
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Retail Slave posted:Also, $500 million doesn't seem like a lot in the grand scheme of things. Mental health care is super expensive and there are a lot of crazy people who have easy access to guns. It's not the guns I'm afraid of the crazy people getting a hold of, it's the crazy people getting enough funding to run for the Democratic Party that's the real danger.
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Who will stop the firearm genocide
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if only contrails really could explain everything that is wrong with me
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Retail Slave posted:Also, $500 million doesn't seem like a lot in the grand scheme of things. Mental health care is super expensive and there are a lot of crazy people who have easy access to guns. Yes, this x100. Very good point. Even if we had the money to hospitalize everyone who needed to be, there is nowhere near the space to do so, nor the staff to treat and maintain them post stay. The costs are well in the billions per year, so what is on offer is not even close. I do think it's worth reiterating that vastly more gun crime is a result of the drug war and crimes of passion than loonies zapping what they think are space aliens with their Glock. Suicide by gun is also a major killer of Americans. Nonetheless, the fundamental causes of "common" gun crime are rarely if ever addressed.
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Locker Room Zubaz posted:Are people going to get angry about the increased funding for mental health? It seems uncontroversial but I don't understand the GOP anymore it's incredible ownage of conservatives in the same manner as adopting literally the Heritage Foundation's plan for healthcare reform
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Doccers posted:The ATF just removed CLEO sign-off requirements for NFA items. Neat! Wait is this true? Dont troll me
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:it's incredible ownage of conservatives in the same manner as adopting literally the Heritage Foundation's plan for healthcare reform To be fair, they are getting owned too. Just like the rest of the country
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like 99.9% of homicides are done by people who've never had a psychiatric hold put on them. the mentally ill are far less violent than the general population. this whole thing is fuckin stupid imo.
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wiffle ball bat posted:like 99.9% of homicides are done by people who've never had a psychiatric hold put on them. the mentally ill are far less violent than the general population. this whole thing is fuckin stupid imo. Most homicides involve drugs booze and/or women, so obviously the solution is strict sharia law
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The Taint Reaper posted:I wish he would get that emotional over terrorism. That's the pic after he had Bin Laden and Gaddafi killed.
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Mange Mite posted:Wait is this true? Dont troll me Yep, ATF 41P changes two things primarily, (and this is super-condensed and simplified mind you) #1: Fingerprinting and photos required for everyone in a trust that will have access to the NFA Item, and #2: changes from Chief Law Enforcement Officer signature required to start process to Notification of CLEO at end of process - no signature required, they're just made aware. #1 makes things a bit more paperwork intensive and really annoying for people who have trust members living in different states, but that's about it. #2 is a significant departure and erases an 80 year old Jim Crow law from the books, so yay! It also cleans up and streamlines the process for what happens to NFA items after the owner is deceased, for the better, too. Heck I don't see anything really bad about the entire Exec Order sheet from today: 1. Keep guns out of the wrong hands through background checks - The 41P rule. It requires everyone in the trust to go through a background check upon aquisition, but also strips the jim crow CLEO rule. A win for everyone really. 2. Make our communities safer from gun violence. - This is mainly adding 200 ATF agents, to enforce existing laws and assist with investigations and handle the added workload 41P will bring. No problems there, maybe the backlog will drop from 1 year to 6 months. bonus. 3. Increase mental health treatment and reporting to the background check system.- This is the most potentially worrying, due to the way it MIGHT be interpreted but probably won't be, IE, "If you've ever taken Ritalin for ADD, you can't ever own a gun ever". I doubt that would stand up, so it's most likely just going to make sure that those who are already disqualified under current rules are actually on the NICS list. Adding an extra half billion to mental health isn't bad either, but it's just a drop in the bucket sadly. 4. Shape the future of gun safety technology. - Cool, more research for "smart guns" that isn't a clusterfuck like New Jersey's failed law. This might ACTUALLY design something worth having, and may even change the BATFE's ruling that electronic triggers are machine guns and thus verbotten. Clarify that it doesnt matter where you conduct your businessfrom a store, at gun shows, or over the Internet: If youre in the business of selling firearms, you must get a license and conduct background checks - This isn't new, the BATFE already has set policy on what constitutes "in the business" and it hasn't changed, it's just being enforced now. (skipping the ones we already covered) Make the background check system more efficient and effective. - Hiring more FBI and NICS agents to make sure the wait time doesn't exceed the current "welp you get it anyways" law. A win for everyone. Everything else is just funding for enforcement of existing rules and laws, which is good because the Obama administration has really fumbled the ball on enforcement, charges filed for violations are currently like less than half of what they were under Bush. The mental health one and changes to HIPAA laws are the most "Controversial" but that's only if you take an extreme reading on it that probably wouldn't stand up to constitutional muster anyways. All in all a pretty good day.
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wiffle ball bat posted:like 99.9% of homicides are done by people who've never had a psychiatric hold put on them. the mentally ill are far less violent than the general population. this whole thing is fuckin stupid imo. The mental health funding is more to prevent the 20k gun suicides a year.
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King of Bees posted:You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hand. Dude, just stop. Your act wasn't even funny the first time.
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You guys realise that your second amendment rights are being highlighted by commercial interests, right? They're making it seem important for you to own guns so they can sell you guns. Those same commercial interests lobby politicians to make guns more available, and now you live in a country with cheap, easily available guns, and coincidentally the highest murder rate of any first world country. And before you dumbshits chime in with "mental health problems", if you have a country full of crazy people, you should be trying to take the guns away from them.
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