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I hope these peaceful protesters are able to get justice for their friends and that no one gets hurt.
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Internet Webguy posted:The best thing Twitter has provided to the situation so far are the nicknames Y'all Qaeda and Vanilla ISIS. i've seen #WhiteSIS, #YokelHaram, and #YeeHawd
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Mercury_Storm posted:I don't think anyone should be giving the Feds the benefit of the doubt here after how badly they botched the bundy ranch situation, what with no one actually facing any consequences whatsoever as far as I can tell. In the previous incident, I was with the camp that thought they would definitely just be picking up these people one by one and charging them after the fact. That was almost two loving years ago. Apparently they haven't bothered to set up a command post yet. https://twitter.com/ClaudiaKoerner/status/683759815571554304 Although it's always hard to tell with these situations how much of this anonymous sourcing from the police is trying to manipulate the group.
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blowfish posted:so wipe the place off the map with B52s, at which point everybody in the area dying is a feature and not a bug Try actually preventing people from entering or leaving the property at all. If you've been paying attention so far there is 0 police presence and I doubt anyone is even keeping track or who is coming and going yet.
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Jan 3, 2016 22:32
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I don't find the terrorist comparison to be apt since these peaceful protesters haven't hurt anyone. ISIS is famous for beheadings and bombings and shootings while the Oathkeepers are famous for not hurting anyone.
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wiffle ball bat posted:I don't find the terrorist comparison to be apt since these peaceful protesters haven't hurt anyone. ISIS is famous for beheadings and bombings and shootings while the Oathkeepers are famous for not hurting anyone. is this u c/d 
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wiffle ball bat posted:I don't find the terrorist comparison to be apt since these peaceful protesters haven't hurt anyone. ISIS is famous for beheadings and bombings and shootings while the Oathkeepers are famous for not hurting anyone. The Oathkeepers and other groups would leap at the chance to purge the country of "undesirables".
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Jan 3, 2016 22:34
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Ideological opponents of the Occupy movement and the hashtag Black Lives Matter movement would often use instances of rape, arson, assault and vandalism to characterize the entire group as a whole as "thugs" and "criminals" a point of view I personally disagree with.This is a common practice, to attempt to use the actions of a non-representational few to discredit the movement as a whole. It's disingenuous and intellectually lazy, in my opinion, to argue the character of the protesters rather than the ideas they're risking life and limb to support.
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Jan 3, 2016 22:38
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wiffle ball bat posted:Ideological opponents of the Occupy movement and the hashtag Black Lives Matter movement would often use instances of rape, arson, assault and vandalism to characterize the entire group as a whole as "thugs" and "criminals" a point of view I personally disagree with.This is a common practice, to attempt to use the actions of a non-representational few to discredit the movement as a whole. It's disingenuous and intellectually lazy, in my opinion, to argue the character of the protesters rather than the ideas they're risking life and limb to support. The ideas they're supporting is armed insurrection against the rightful elected government because it doesn't support their racist, reactionary ideology. Sounds like terrorists
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Jan 3, 2016 22:41
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wiffle ball bat posted:Ideological opponents of the Occupy movement and the hashtag Black Lives Matter movement would often use instances of rape, arson, assault and vandalism to characterize the entire group as a whole as "thugs" and "criminals" a point of view I personally disagree with.This is a common practice, to attempt to use the actions of a non-representational few to discredit the movement as a whole. It's disingenuous and intellectually lazy, in my opinion, to argue the character of the protesters rather than the ideas they're risking life and limb to support. This is true, I had completely forgotten about their courageous stance on issues such as "gently caress Obama", "I don't want to pay taxes" and "My friends should be able to steal whatever land they want". Truly, heroes of our time.
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Joementum posted:Blaine Cooper, in happier (for him) times. Took some work to find, since Facebook took down the original, but here's the video of him wrapping the Quran in bacon and burning it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPaECrZ6H7k
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They're actually protesting two ranchers being charged with terrorism for killing a couple of deer out of season and doing a controlled burn on federal land. Illegal, yes. Terrorism? Not in my very humble opinion.
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Joementum posted:Took some work to find, since Facebook took down the original, but here's the video of him wrapping the Quran in bacon and burning it. Yeah, waste these fools.
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wiffle ball bat posted:They're actually protesting two ranchers being charged with terrorism for killing a couple of deer out of season and doing a controlled burn on federal land. Illegal, yes. Terrorism? Not in my very humble opinion. Twice starting fires (one that could've resulted in people dying) on federal land, once during a burn ban, illegal poaching, and sending numerous death threats to land managers. Truly, they have been hard done.
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Jan 3, 2016 22:46
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Joementum posted:Took some work to find, since Facebook took down the original, but here's the video of him wrapping the Quran in bacon and burning it. I'll never get over these morons thinking bacon is Muslim kryptonite.
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wiffle ball bat posted:They're actually protesting two ranchers being charged with terrorism for killing a couple of deer out of season and doing a controlled burn on federal land. Illegal, yes. Terrorism? Not in my very humble opinion. Pretty sure the terrorism charges are for making death threats and nearly burning a bunch of firefighters to death while they slept.
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Jan 3, 2016 22:46
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I don't see the value in discounting their grievances when in this particular instance an injustice was most assuredly dealt to the Hammons.
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wiffle ball bat posted:I don't see the value in discounting their grievances when in this particular instance an injustice was most assuredly dealt to the Hammons. False. Also the Malitia movement in the US is irrevocably tied to a history of White Nationalism and terrorist actions against the government so it's 100% apt to this group trying to start a separatist revolt "terrorists".
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Jan 3, 2016 22:56
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wiffle ball bat posted:I don't see the value in discounting their grievances when in this particular instance an injustice was most assuredly dealt to the Hammons. No
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ufarn posted:is he burning a kfc bucket Harsh lesson in patriotism.
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GreenNight posted:Harsh lesson in patriotism.
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Jan 3, 2016 22:59
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Jan 3, 2016 22:59
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Supply room at the compound. They brought their weight training equipment  
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Judging from the mats I'd say that equipment was there already. ufarn posted:is he burning a kfc bucket Yes, if you burn our flag we will burn what represents you! A bucket with a picture of an old white slave owner.
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Jan 3, 2016 23:00
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wiffle ball bat posted:I don't see the value in discounting their grievances when in this particular instance an injustice was most assuredly dealt to the Hammons. They wouldn't be engaging in terrorism to get their way if they weren't right!
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Joementum posted:Supply room at the compound. They brought their weight training equipment My guess is a fair amount of that stuff, including the weight equipment, was already onsite. That looks like it's one of the storage outbuildings at the headquarters- the staff who oversee the refuge may have been using it as a rec room.
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I vote we just exile these guys to Somalia, and sell it to them that they won't have to pay any sort of federal taxes to anyone there. True freedom from government!
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Discendo Vox posted:My guess is a fair amount of that stuff, including the weight equipment, was already onsite. That looks like it's one of the storage outbuildings at the headquarters- the staff who oversee the refuge may have been using it as a rec room. Please check your tone, you won't get anywhere posting like this.
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Remind me again why liking fried chicken is a black stereotype, please. Doesn't everyone love fried chicken? It's loving delicious, how could you not like it?
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PT6A posted:Remind me again why liking fried chicken is a black stereotype, please. Doesn't everyone love fried chicken? It's loving delicious, how could you not like it? Because racism is really, really stupid.
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MariusLecter posted:Please check your tone, you won't get anywhere posting like this. I apologize if I offended you in some way, please let me know how and I'd be happy to revise the post.
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I think a group's original grievance goes out the window when they take up arms and occupy a federal compound. Like they could be protesting Obama himself sneaking into their houses at night and going nuts with a baseball bat, they've escalated the situation to a whole different level now.
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There is no way he didn't eat that first.
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PT6A posted:Remind me again why liking fried chicken is a black stereotype, please. Doesn't everyone love fried chicken? It's loving delicious, how could you not like it? "In the United States, fried chicken has stereotypically been associated with African Americans. The reasons for this are various. Chicken dishes were popular among slaves before the Civil War, as chickens were generally the only animals slaves were allowed to raise on their own."
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Jarmak posted:Pretty sure the terrorism charges are for making death threats and nearly burning a bunch of firefighters to death while they slept. You would be wrong in this instance because there are no threats associated with the arson case. They did a controlled burn of a poaching site (a couple of dead deer) that was adjacent to a firefighter camp. No one got hurt. A police report was filed and they didn't get charged until 5 years after the fact on brand new terrorism charges that the original judge said "would shock the conscience" and constitute cruel and unusual punishment if carried out. Now if they had beheaded someone, or shot up a school or office building, or even hurt or threatened someone in the course of carrying out the arson, I could maybe see grounds for agreeing with the terrorism charge.
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I don't understand the value of dehumanizing my perceived ideological enemies and praying for their violent death but it's probably a moral or intellectual failing on my part.
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wiffle ball bat posted:You would be wrong in this instance because there are no threats associated with the arson case. They did a controlled burn of a poaching site (a couple of dead deer) that was adjacent to a firefighter camp. No one got hurt. A police report was filed and they didn't get charged until 5 years after the fact on brand new terrorism charges that the original judge said "would shock the conscience" and constitute cruel and unusual punishment if carried out. Oh that's what you think 5 years would be a reasonable sentence for. Okay thanks
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