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Not that it's important but if anyone was wondering why the Tremere left the Order of Hermes it was because they saw which way the consensus of reality was going. Magic was becoming less powerful around the time of the Dark Ages line, hence why it wasn't exactly a golden age like it says in M20. Tremere was also a megalomaniac and knew that no existing magic could allow him to live forever. He wanted to become a vampire and then become an antediluvian so he could both live forever and have the power of a god. He was pretty much a D&D BBEG. Awakened magic is pretty powerful but it's not powerful enough to make someone immortal.* The Order of Hermes flipped their poo poo at this because they threw away possible enlightenment for longer lasting temporal power. It apparently can according to Ascension but that's all after the fact.
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# ¿ Jan 8, 2016 20:06 |
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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 09:29 |
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LatwPIAT posted:A lot of the Crafts that make up the Disparate Alliance were first described in Book of Crafts, so I decided to check it out for some context for these groups that are now suddenly all so important. Really, the Book of Crafts is itself worth a review here, but for now I'll just make a note of the most egregious and offensive thing I found in there. They made an entire craft based on Shi Pei Pu. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Pei_Pu "So what do you know about China? I saw M. Butterfly on HBO the other night." "Roll with it." Most Asia stuff in World of Darkness is just orientalism coupled with that guy who likes to carry on about how superior the katana is to a Western weapon due to folding steel. It was also written in the 90's, around 20 years ago, which is something I always forget at times. Of course their views on gender and sexuality are going to be skewed. They can't even find Oxford on a map and thought combining Japanese and Chinese together was a thing so it's not like they were blazing any trails. EDIT: It should be noted they did not include the Wu-Keng in M20 but again didn't see fit to wipe them from existence. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Jan 9, 2016 |
# ¿ Jan 9, 2016 08:18 |
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Nessus posted:In honor of this detailed inspection of White Wolf properties I have prepared a handy guide to World of Darkness game lines. Don't slander Ars Magica, they've been divorced from White Wolf and the World of Darkness for years.
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# ¿ Jan 11, 2016 13:27 |
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Winter Stormer posted:
Don't worry, they ruin it by making them the architects of the Islamic Republic of Iran. EDIT: I don't think that's in M20 but it's in the Lost Paths book. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Jan 13, 2016 |
# ¿ Jan 13, 2016 04:32 |
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I mean a generalized implementation with advice on its use like Dramasystem gets in Hillfolk. As it is, if you want to use GUMSHOE for your own settings, you have to reverse-engineer it from an existing implementation AFAIK. I would imagine that would be something they would possibly make after they finish the two they're working on, Bubblegumshoe and Gumshoe 1 to 1. I don't think Ken or Robin is involved in Gumshoe Ars Magica. A 2nd edition of the lines they have now would be more probable, Trail of Cthulhu is close to 8 years old. Gumshoe is so simple though it seems kind of redundant to have a bare bones version. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jan 20, 2016 |
# ¿ Jan 20, 2016 14:08 |
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Libertad! posted:But when Hollywood came along audiences didn't want to see said groups as heroes in their Western tales, which led to the impression that cowboys were all or mostly white. It wasn't just that, it was also illegal for there to be interracial kissing on screen. Even if a studio wanted to have a black or Asian leading man or lady, the majority of the cast would have had to be the same race so people didn't go to jail. It's bizarre to think there was once an era where a show like I Love Lucy was considered incredibly risky because the premise was that a white Hispanic man was married to a Caucasian woman.
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# ¿ Feb 4, 2016 02:00 |
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Rand Brittain posted:Sadly, as far as I know, the White Wolf era of Ravenloft never got added to either company's digital stable. The German version of the core book is on DriveThru under the German company that licensed most of White Wolf's stuff. They also did Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay so I imagine the horror, characters getting massacred niche was already covered for them. I never read any of the books but they seemed pretty good as far as D20 stuff went. Ravenloft was a setting that was never terribly exciting to me or seemed able to stand on its own. Even most of the stuff in Ravenloft was not from Ravenloft but from other settings that got sucked in. It's kind of the fantasy equivalent of the clearance bin for villains who couldn't make it on their own planes and a ship of lost souls for everyone else. There's some gems in there but there's also a panther from the Forgotten Realms that was polymorphed into a human, turned into a werepanther, and then became a vampire. A bunch of characters have really long, convoluted backstories like that. They extensively reference or involve other settings and tried to be dark and edgy in an era when TSR wouldn't call demons and devils what they were for fear of bringing down the Satanic Panic. I imagine it could be cool if the writers just wrote about the setting in a way that let the setting stand on its own and went full on Castlevania, Ghouls n'Ghosts, Demon/Dark Souls, or Bloodborne. I think market trends have shown you can do a horror RPG without it being full on 90's White Wolf. EDIT: While browsing the catalog for Feder & Schwert, I noticed the cover for the Second Edition Tribebook: Get of Fenris. Awkward. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Feb 10, 2016 |
# ¿ Feb 10, 2016 05:11 |
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Someone should post a comparison of the old text and the new text because it's a good example of how far the game industry has come in terms of design. I haven't read the new version yet but it looks like a modern book. Some of the original Runequest 2E books look like a zine or poorly xeroxed socialist newsletter from the 1980's.
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# ¿ Mar 10, 2016 14:07 |
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Count Chocula posted:Was it Paul Dini who loved Zatanna so much he married a woman who looks just like her? She's kinda a witch. She not only looks like her, she's a stage magician herself.
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# ¿ Mar 29, 2016 13:13 |
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How deadly is RQ 2E combat compared to modern CoC combat? I'm sure it's very similar but I feel like Goonalda has enough chin to take most non-impale attacks from normal human enemies. EDIT: It's really weird now looking at stuff from the 70's and 80's about death sports when people are talking about how American Football might not even exist in its current form in 20 years. It's very quickly being seen as being too dangerous with arguably safer conditions than in those periods. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Apr 2, 2016 |
# ¿ Apr 2, 2016 05:35 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:I think there was also a study that even a small/limited/regional nuclear war, such as an exchange of warheads by Pakistan and India, could still drop global temperatures enough to have catastrophic effects on agriculture. The magic number was always given as 100 before the end of the Cold War but that number is probably outdated or incorrect. Any amount of nuclear weapons used on a population center is bad regardless due to the economic ramifications alone of wiping out and poisoning a major population center/region.
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# ¿ Apr 5, 2016 05:17 |
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Count Chocula posted:Isn't Canada already a Constitutional Monarchy, with the Queen the technical head of state? Yes, unless that book was written before the constitution was passed in 1982. Before then Canada was technically a constitutional monarchy as well but wasn't fully independent from the UK. EDIT: It was pre-Internet and Wikipedia so I imagine the author just shrugged and wrote what they thought was right. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Apr 5, 2016 |
# ¿ Apr 5, 2016 12:21 |
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Just Dan Again posted:I looked up GSS and its expansions on Drivethru, and for some reason the "often bought with" section showed Hc Svnt Dracones. It's only $3... I could look into the madness with my own eyes... Don't you have to spend $14 more to get the "full" game with the Extended book?
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# ¿ Apr 8, 2016 03:29 |
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Have they said how much material Beast is getting? I can't really see this getting more books and support than Geist. Wasn't Athas not connected to the multiverse due to Dark Sun characters starting at higher than level 1? It seemed like the devs were worried about the implication that these post apocalyptic supermen could overrun Sigil. Also, easy access to water and other stuff but defiling wrecks things regardless of where they come from.
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# ¿ Apr 11, 2016 03:56 |
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Count Chocula posted:Aren't there Dark Sun halflings somewhere in Baldur's Gate 2? I think they're part of the Wizard's Strongehold Quest. Yeah, also some knights from Krynn. It's a vehicle that can travel through the planes. Not a Spelljamming ship though because it's a sphere and doesn't work on those principles. wiegieman posted:It's Sigil, though. Post-mortality supermen roll through there all the time, and they behave if they know what's good for them. It's TSR era, "No really, this is simulationist." AD&D. After thinking about it, I'm sure the respective devs behind the Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance were more worried.
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# ¿ Apr 11, 2016 04:12 |
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Beast doesn't know what its metaphor is. It's also pretty unnecessary. Chronicles of Darkness is almost getting worse than peak Classic, One or whatever, World of Darkness. I've always felt one of the things that made Chronicles great was that it had a unified system and very modular series but there's getting to be so much redundant stuff put out it's reminiscent of the treadmill era of game design. Not even touching the problems people have found, I just don't see a reason why this game should exist and can't be accomplished with the other lines White Wolf/Onyx Path have created. Nessus posted:I thought it was the other way around, that Athas was such a titanic cosmic shithole that if stuff from Athas leaked out it would be like unleashing cats and rats into the tender ecology of a Polynesian island. If people could leave Athas, they would in droves, but they'd be like the Fremen in Dune. That sounds like an awesome plot arc for a Sigil type game.
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# ¿ Apr 11, 2016 04:43 |
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Kavak posted:Wait, what did Lot5R miss? Sengoku Jidai warfare? Good rules. L5R's rules aren't, relatively speaking, that bad but they're trapped in the 90's and nobody at AEG was brave and/or paid enough to make a new system. 4th edition isn't that bad and actually made a lot of improvements but they really needed to rework everything from the ground up. Hopefully FFG will do that. Zereth posted:One of the things L5R does, as I recall, is poo poo on ronin mechanically and otherwise at every opportunity. Per the fiction too, ronin and commoners who aren't part of the nobility, in that they possess noble blood or whatever, should be able to become the greatest champions of Rokugan. The mechanics don't even accurately depict the fiction they were made to depict.
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# ¿ Apr 12, 2016 05:12 |
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Halloween Jack posted:Between this and the Kickstarter thread I am in love with so much new stuff. I may do Fragged Empire at some point if no one takes up that banner. I'm for this as well. It's a game I've been on the fence about for a while and I would like to know what's up before I commit to buying it.
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# ¿ Apr 19, 2016 18:45 |
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To Protect Flavor posted:Bought into 3e Exalted in part because of the ongoing review here. Gotta say, despite the reputation, it seems like a fun time. Exalted, like most games, is fun if you know what you're getting into and everyone has a good attitude about it. Until they come out with a 3e Infernals book or something akin to that there are worse games you could be playing and giving money to. At least they have a cool character like the Diamond Prince, which shows their hearts are at least in the right place. Maybe they'll work out the development problems before 2020 but who knows.
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# ¿ Apr 25, 2016 04:48 |
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Mors Rattus posted:Mage: the Awakening 2nd Edition Is the second half the Free Council picture? I haven't delved too deeply into this book but it seems great. I was thinking about reviewing this book to offset the M20 review and you beat me to it. Keep up the great work. EDIT: It's also nice to see a Muslim woman in a White Wolf book that isn't a sultry assassin or taken from the canvas of an Orientalist painting. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 05:08 on May 4, 2016 |
# ¿ May 4, 2016 05:04 |
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Rand Brittain posted:Once upon a time, Mystra decided that if she wasn't careful, the knowledge of magic might die out altogether! So, she decided to appoint a special mortal champion who would make sure that knowledge was always available. She gave that champion special powers, and a bunch of cool perks! Then she decided that the office of Magister would be transferred to whoever killed the previous Magister. Mystra was all about might makes right even though she was diametrically opposed to that in terms of being a good, though officially neutral, deity. Mystra also handed out chosen status pretty frequently, even to people who lacked the mental fortitude to stay sane from reading a punctuation error. The Cult of the Dragon posted:And naught will be left save shattered thrones, with no He went full on evil after that and founded the Cult of the Dragon, which is a cult that wants to jump start the undead dragon apocalypse for reasons.
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# ¿ May 18, 2016 04:33 |
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Hostile V posted:Oh yeah no there is zero thought about what would happen if the Deltas decided to take over all of Costa Rica instead. It's probably not going to come up in later books either. Sounds like a rogue state primed and ready for regime change and a massive influx of freedom.
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# ¿ May 31, 2016 00:52 |
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Mr. Maltose posted:The best Idigam theory is all of them, at once, always. Sure it seems like it makes no sense but on the other hand gently caress you it's Idigam. This would be keeping with White Wolf tradition.
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# ¿ Jun 7, 2016 04:10 |
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Kavak posted:In that case I'm going to look at the occupation borders! Vichy Indochina was occupied by Japan. Not to excuse their terrible cartography but it is technically accurate.
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2016 18:36 |
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Well, to be fair, there's stuff like him setting fire to a surrendering monastery and murdering all the survivors who tried to escape the flames that leaves an impression. While he was hardly the only heartless monster of the Warring States period, his success meant he got to be really, really famous for his massacres, his outspoken (and bloody) impiety, the tendency for competition in his family to end up dead... granted, part of the Nobunaga's villainous reputation was that it was in the interest of those who unified Japan to demonize him, but he didn't make it very hard for them to do so. He also lost, which is the most important reason he's seen as a monster. A good deal of the monasteries he crushed were Ikko-Ikki from what I recall as well and were far from what could be considered peaceful or mainline Buddhist.
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# ¿ Aug 21, 2016 17:50 |
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Robindaybird posted:The Ikko-Ikki were more or less anti-feudal massive peasant revolts, weren't they? They were and could be pretty violent at times. It's not to say Nobunaga was far from being terrible, they were all terrible. He was just the first of the big three to lose and he took the brunt of propaganda as to why Hideyoshi and Tokugawa were better.
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# ¿ Aug 21, 2016 18:26 |
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LatwPIAT posted:One possibly-apocryphal story I've heard about how the katana came to have such a fearsome reputation in the west is that the popular conception of the katana comes from US naval officers who visited after gunboat diplomacy opened Japan. The officers compared the katana against their own swords and found the katana far superior. That's funny as well because the katana was mostly relegated to a ceremonial role in Tokugawa Japan. It was still a functioning sword, capable of decapitating uppity commoners, but most samurai by that time were bureaucrats, glorified desk clerks, storehouse managers, or tax collectors.
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# ¿ Aug 24, 2016 05:10 |
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Tatum Girlparts posted:that loving sleeve bugs me so much. At first I thought it was part of the chest, like an underhsirt thing that was meant to recreate the whole 'one arm free so you can get your sword easy' style and was like 'that's dumb but ok' but only now, looking at it fully, I see it's just a rando sleeve. She has to show off her sweet arm piece.
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# ¿ Aug 26, 2016 01:22 |
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Night10194 posted:What we get is they're that guy from every old sitcom or adventure story who fucks everything up and betrays everyone but then everyone has a laugh at them and moves on instead of getting rid of the obvious backstabbing prick. They're the Gambit to the Rokugani X-Men.
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# ¿ Aug 28, 2016 02:28 |
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Count Chocula posted:A related article informs me that 'bushido' was made up in the 19th century, which I didn't know. Making all of L5R's 'honor' stuff even sillier. https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bushido/ It's more complex than this article makes it out but the modern definition of bushido is bullshit but bushido is something that existed in a form and was written about for several centuries prior to Nitobe.The author also gives too much credit to Nitobe on his influence on Japanese culture. Most Japanese scholars also criticized his work for being too Western. Even though bushido existed as well, Japanese people aren't robots who adhere to rules. More blame as well can be placed on Yamamoto Tsunetomo and the Hagakure. The Hagakure is to samurai culture as a history book by Glenn Beck is to American culture. Bushido is the culmination of Neo-Confucianism being bolted onto a governmental structure it wasn't meant to be adapted to. Due to the inability of imperial army of the Heian period being unable to subjugate the Emishi people, regional military leaders were able to become successful and the strongest among them installed himself as the shogun. This essentially ended the Chinese based structure of imperial rule in Japan and began the feudal system under the shogun. The leadership though still had to follow Chinese culture for a number of reasons. Not knowing how to handle this, Japanese philosophers tried to remake the Confucian model so that it included a warrior class since Confucius felt that society should be ruled by philosopher bureaucrats, something that functionally ceased to exist in the turmoil of the end of the Heian period. The whole loyalty and honor thing comes from that, since an upright man was supposed to be a paragon to the people. The upright man of Confucianism is able to overthrow an unjust leader as well but this gets murky because Japan is theologically very different than China since the Emperor is a living avatar of a god while the Chinese emperor is possibly formerly an illiterate farmer and very human. There's so much betrayal because it's easy to make a quick tally of how much your boss has gone against a value system that puts little value on professional soldiers. This all leads to these very lofty writings about what a samurai should and shouldn't be that's not based on reality. It's more a loose guide than an actual set in stone moral code, what a samurai should be, not what they actually are. This is in the tradition of Confucian writing. The Tokugawa period was marked by the kokugaku period, where Japanese scholars disregarded foreign works and just followed the Japanese works based on them because they were viewed as more correct. The Meiji Era just saw this go into overdrive as Japanese society was rife with corruption and foreign evils like anarchism and communism. Japanese generals pushed the Hagakure as a Japanese alternative since foreign thinking had gotten them nowhere in the Russo-Japanese War. It was also pushed hard on young men because they were expected to fight in the coming war with China and the eventual final battle for living space in Asia against the Western powers, as well as defeating the spectre of communism. tl;dr The author has a false premise due to using English sources and is mostly incorrect. Bushido existed for centuries but is very complex, varies between authors, and is more of a guide of what a samurai should be, not what they are or were. It's mostly finding a high place in Confucianism for a group that Confucius viewed as being detrimental to society.
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# ¿ Aug 30, 2016 06:30 |
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golden bubble posted:So basically the difference between what chivalry is for late Medieval writers, and what chivalry is for late Medieval knights and men-at-arms. Pretty much, it's a very similar situation.
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# ¿ Aug 30, 2016 14:35 |
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Nessus posted:Oh like YOU wouldn't use Vicissitude to throw your junk at your political enemies. I haven't been following the Eternal Hearts write up too closely, I browse the forums at work, but I was reading up on Jan on the White Wolf wiki. White Wolf Wiki posted:Jan suffers from a extreme case of the Ventrue Clan's weakness in that he can only feed from rape victims. After being ambushed in Washington DC by Sabbat, his entire herd is wiped out and though he is saved by Theo Bell, he has to use his dominate powers to cause a rape and then again to erase the memory of it in the victim in order to feed after the loss of his herd. Holy poo poo. I see some of this is in Eternal Hearts but that's a pretty loving classic, over the top edgy White Wolf character. You see, he's not the rapist, he just preys on the victims of rapists. It's all consensual, though he does get off on the supernatural rape porn memories he absorbs. This is until his herd is wiped out and he has to create rape victims to survive. He's not doing the raping though, he's still an alright guy, you see.
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# ¿ Aug 31, 2016 05:07 |
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Nessus posted:I always wondered: Can Ventrue automatically tell if someone is their kind of food, or do they have to take a bite first? As far as memory serves, no, but there might be a merit for that.
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# ¿ Aug 31, 2016 13:36 |
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Loxbourne posted:Did anything actually HAPPEN in that L5R adventure, or was it just ~OMINOUSNESSNESSNESSNESS~ ? There's no way the PCs can change the outcome in any way or force a better resolution (although I did like the way players could potentially get more info from the Scorpion dude than the "canon" version). The whole thing should be a one-session one-shot on the way to something better. Just wait until they get to the end of the book and you find out what happens to Kaagi.
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# ¿ Sep 12, 2016 18:41 |
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Zereth posted:I'm going to guess No Kaagi You Are the Shadow. All I'm going to say is that nothing you do matters in an L5R adventure path, even if you're an NPC with slight plot armor. There's always some minor thing that comes back and makes it so the house always wins because the deck is stacked and they have 5 aces.
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# ¿ Sep 12, 2016 18:58 |
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In defense of L5R, this is how you did things in the 90's due to the way the market worked. Although Way of the Shadow was made in 1999, you're still coming out of the era where metaplot was the new big thing. In order to have your books carried by distributors, you had to constantly come out with books and having a metaplot gave fans reasons to buy books that offered nothing more than some poorly written prose. It was much easier to have an adventure path tacked onto some fiction than to keep churning out crunch. You also couldn't have variable adventure paths or campaigns, like the stuff Pelgrane Press puts out today, because metaplot had to keep on going. L5R was theoretically better because you had the CCG determining the route things went but there's always been evidence that AEG pushed things in the direction they wanted although plenty of weird stuff happened that could only happen because of the CCG.
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# ¿ Sep 12, 2016 20:39 |
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Can someone give a rundown of the craziest poo poo in Tomb of Iuchiban? I've never read it, only reviews. I know the tomb changes in the second part and the rakshasa that taught Iuchiban is there or something but no one has put up a comprehensive description of its bullshit. I imagine it's all for nothing too and you can't accomplish anything important.
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# ¿ Sep 16, 2016 00:08 |
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EverettLO posted:Rocks fall, people dishonorably die. FMguru posted:What I remember most about Tomb of Iuchiban was that it came with a large blank grid map and a bunch of punch out tiles to represent the rooms and the semi-random way they were arranged, and that it added nothing to the module and seemed to be there solely to justify the effort and expense of making it a boxed module. Thanks for the rundowns. I wonder how complete the $150 copies floating around are with the tiles? I did luck into an original Battletech box set with all the tiles for $2 at a Goodwill a couple years back so I guess it's possible.
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# ¿ Sep 16, 2016 23:31 |
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Hostile V posted:
A little nitpick, but irl the poppies were mostly from eastern India, a holdover from the Dutch East India company. The trade in opium was one of the few things keeping the East India Company and later the colony of India in the black. Once the trade was banned by the British, the maintenance of the colony reached a point of unsustainability.
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I loved Mummy's art direction and I think it is world's better than the mummy books in OWoD but it is still one of the weakest NWoD game lines outside of Beast and maybe Geist.
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# ¿ Oct 19, 2016 05:09 |