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Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Professor Shark posted:

I don't know if you're serious about this, but I agree. I don't think this woman actually wants equality, I think she wants to hit back at the ones she thinks have hurt her. On the other hand she might just be all wrapped up in her own poo poo and no one will care, but here we are
Lol, if you read the article the point, while loving dumb, was that there's shitloads of people writing crap and that maybe, just maybe, people could go out and find poo poo that wasn't written by that one specific group of people and see that whoah, its a big world out there, even if it doesn't look it from your local Barnes and Nobles or wherever the gently caress it is yanks get books.

How can you motherfuckers be so willfully dense as to not understand such a simple point it beyond me really.

Anyway I did this challenge for 3 months and a week as a laugh because I was mostly reading poo poo by Chinese peeps dead a couple of centuries as well as honky ladies, before China Mieville turned out to be a straight cis honky devil (WTF? With that name??) and I'd already got the book so welp. Did read through a shitload of good SciFi/Fantasy tho as well as shitloads of wacky Chinese writs.

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Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Professor Shark posted:

No I didn't read that article but I also read authors from a variety of sexes, races, and ages. Your posting makes you sound like a poo poo, though! :thumbsup:
Lol, congrats on being a well read moron if you are incapable of seeing how your argument completely falls apart when you apply even the the most casual of analysis of the article, which was the point of the whole discussion

a retard posted:

"poc can write stories just as well as white men" - a person whose barometers for good storytelling are bioware rpgs, childrens' cartoons, and the marvel cinematic universe
How the gently caress do you even know if the writing is good if most of the poo poo sold around is the same fuckers, day in day out

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

a retard posted:

there are a shitload of books and articles that talk about the mechanics of good writing but you probably think they're poo poo because they're probably written by white people
loving lol if you project a bit harder then I think that you can have a good part of the sky covered with this lovely post

do you even grasp the basic jist of her criticism in a remotely impartial way or is this just mutual jerkoff shitposting

E1M1 posted:

"I refuse to read things that don't align with my personal politics, and in some cases think they should be censored outright" - someone who would've derided this behavior in conservatives a decade ago but now is a sizable portion of the left, god help us
Are people now just arrived at the stage of the thread where they decry unrelated tumblr bullshit or had no-one wanted to bother to explain using small words

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

a retard posted:

of course i do but it's pretty obvious that even with the premise she still doesn't step out of her comfort zone since pretty much every book on that list is either sci-fi or fantasy or a white guy she put in by mistake because his name sounds foreign

also i looked at a few of those books on amazon and the plots don't exactly seem like they require a marginalized voice to tell properly, i mean look at this

also if you're trying to imply that marginalized voices are ignored in literature it doesn't exactly help your case when you put books by hugo and nobel winners on your list
You aren't making a clear distinction between, the on one hand rather capable argument that the author is a huge nerd and loser and on the other, that the idea she espouses is loving retarded.

like, look at huge issues we have just getting white women into the mainstream (so yea, not scifi&fantasy poo poo) and then realize that for all the poo poo they publish, they are the second most notable group after honkey men (in a country like mine where pretty much errybody white its really sad to look at the poo poo translated and its literally all white dudes, except if a lady wrote a crime novel or something)

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

a retard posted:

ok so i guess the problem here is you live in a super white non-english speaking country where white women aren't really mainstream authors while here in america some of the most popular authors are/were women albeit white (danielle steel, jackie collins, your average harlequin romance novel author, not to mention people like jk rowling (british, but still really successful in america), stephanie meyer, and suzanne collins who wrote blockbuster book franchises that became blockbuster film franchises) and that's just the poo poo that gets sold at your average supermarket, and if you're going by black women, toni morrison and maya angelou are/were relatively mainstream authors here, not to mention plenty of black/hispanic authors who make a good living writing books for a primarily black/hispanic demographic

basically what i am saying is if you want a wider variety of successful voices of all races and genders then move the gently caress out of your lovely country
gently caress, take Suzanne Collins as an example. young adult dystopia gets popular as a genre, bang, suddenly a bunch of rejected scripts get in, some by women like Roth and others by other fuckers,idk

Publishers don't publish things they think won't be commercially viable, mostly, and when almost all of that is white dudes, with most of what the consumer hears about is white dudes, you can you grasp the point of a thing where you are supposed to not read the most common available supported thing

the problem isn't that white women aren't mainstream, because they aren't compared to the loving flood of honkey dude books, just looking at volume here. also lol plural of anecdote incarnate

I would say the only problem with her idea, was that it didn't exclude white women but then again if you did that you would be completely hosed in her chosen genre because its almost solely for pasty nerds, whatever they gender

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Fluo posted:

How about judging people on their actions, their character and their opinions

Rather than their race or gender
how about actually reading some of the people that aren't of the single biggest group there, just for the hell of it

whoah what a hard thing

also lol with the timely references to relevant poo poo re britpol

a retard posted:

"plural of ancedote" says the guy who moves the goalposts. also you didn't answer what country you live in because if it's super white like you say i honestly don't think your average scandinavian or wherever the hell you're from would be that interested in reading something like the color purple not to mention not having a decent knowledge of the cultural and historical contexts to that book that we would have in america. it sounds more like a problem with your country where the vast majority of your country being whities means most of what gets published in your country is full of whities. demographics and all that

also the current new york times fiction bestseller list has nine women out of 19 authors on the list (nicholas sparks has two books on there) so your argument doesn't hold water and you shouldn't be judging voices in literature by the mainstream anyway

agree with you on publishers being dumbasses who couldn't recognize a good pitch if it got jammed up their rear end though
women are still not equal, lol. and drat if you think a problem in the anglosphere literature world (hint: britain has the same problem, only even further complicated by class issues)

the problem is that all these dudes always pick the white dudes, even when my country is 10% foreign (even if most of them are 'white') itīs about a change of thought and understanding how its way harder to this

gently caress, I mean part of it is just having to think at all about what you're reading, then usually finding out that shitloads of what your read is white dudes

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Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

H.H posted:

ahahah enjoy your manga and martian transporcupine coming-of-age erotica
lol if you were multilingual you could enjoy the majority groups from numerous countries, that still, somehow, manage to mostly be white dudes

what the hell euroop

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