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is life only evolved and selected chemical reactions?
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Jan 11, 2016 23:59
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probably
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Jan 12, 2016 00:01
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Life is what you make of it!
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Jan 12, 2016 00:04
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Sometimes.
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Jan 12, 2016 00:05
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Reagan is life.
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Jan 12, 2016 00:05
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Life is a tool of nature to move the universe toward thermodynamic equilibrium. Furthermore,
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Jan 12, 2016 00:06
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Lemons are involved.
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Jan 12, 2016 00:06
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Seems like, why?
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Jan 12, 2016 00:07
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minasole posted:is life only evolved and selected chemical reactions? Everything points that way.
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Jan 12, 2016 00:12
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No. Life is self-propagating information. Chemical reactions are merely the medium.
Jazerus fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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Jan 12, 2016 00:13
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I think therefore I am.
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Jan 12, 2016 01:21
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I don't understand how people can realize things like this and say "only" like it isn't amazing and awe inspiring.
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Jan 12, 2016 01:24
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yeah but that's pretty cool.
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Jan 12, 2016 01:30
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Humboldt Squid posted:I don't understand how people can realize things like this and say "only" like it isn't amazing and awe inspiring. Love is only biological responses and it's still pretty baller, OP.
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Jan 12, 2016 01:36
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minasole posted:is life only evolved and selected chemical reactions? It's a bit more complicated than that, but you have the gist, yes. So what and/or isn't that amazing!?
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Jan 12, 2016 01:37
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Life is pizza. Pizza is life. So yes. 
CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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Jan 12, 2016 01:38
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Bob James posted:Reagan is life.
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Jan 12, 2016 01:40
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To be more specific, life is self-propagating information capable of detecting environmental conditions and responding to them. The chemistry of biological systems is a tool through which these responses are expressed. Some chemical arrangements, like lipid membranes, are used mostly for mechanical reasons like durability and polarity. Others, like neurotransmitters and receptor proteins, are employed because their interaction follows a specific algebraic function and thus computationally behaves as that function. This allows the lifeform to chemically represent and analyze external information internally and respond to it. The life isn't actually in the chemistry. It's in the genetic information that expresses a total design for a self-propagating and adapting chemical machine. This information's form is an emergent property of nucleic acid structure, but nucleic acids are just very convenient substrates on which to represent a chemical instruction set. A completely accurate translation of this information structure to another medium (such as a digital electronic representation) would be "life" just as much as the one implemented through chemistry. 
Jazerus fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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Jan 12, 2016 03:07
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minasole posted:is life only evolved and selected chemical reactions? Maybe yours is. 
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Jan 12, 2016 03:11
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Humboldt Squid posted:I don't understand how people can realize things like this and say "only" like it isn't amazing and awe inspiring. It's probably because that's a subjective judgment arising out of psychological tendencies determined by a complex series of chemical reactions in your brain which are ultimately entirely beyond the control of what you would consider to be your individual "self" (a "self" which might not even actually exist in any meaningful sense). Beautiful, isn't it?
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Jan 12, 2016 03:21
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minasole posted:is life only evolved and selected chemical reactions? Welcome to the universe, enjoy your stay as an insignificant speck. 
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Jan 12, 2016 03:24
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I'm afraid so, yes. Personally, I find it freeing!
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Jan 12, 2016 03:26
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Humboldt Squid posted:I don't understand how people can realize things like this and say "only" like it isn't amazing and awe inspiring. yeah basically this you can make a distinction whether life is the information expressed through these chemical reactions rather than the reactions themselves or whatever, but no matter what you put 'on top' of it, the underlying foundation of life is just the same particles reacting in the same ways you learned in middle and high school, except put together in more complicated shapes how people can think that isn't just the raddest thing ever mystifies me 
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Jan 12, 2016 03:30
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PT6A posted:I'm afraid so, yes. So did I, until I realized I still have to go into work tomorrow.
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Jan 12, 2016 03:35
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Yep.
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Jan 12, 2016 03:50
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Yes. It only had to start once - which is why everything codes amino acids with the same codons to the best of our knowledge. I've imagined viruses are a branch of 'life' from before amino acids became symbiotic with lipid bubbles in the first couple million years of oceans and weather on Earth. They just stayed rogue - hijacking the more complex DNA vehicles for their own advantage. Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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Jan 12, 2016 03:55
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Yes.
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Jan 12, 2016 03:58
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Yeup
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Jan 12, 2016 04:02
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Yes also so is every particle in the universe which is the much more profound insight of the theory of evolution ~bung rip~
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Jan 12, 2016 04:04
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:Yes also so is every particle in the universe which is the much more profound insight of the theory of evolution ~bung rip~ Nah there's other forces at work like gravity and spacetime dimensions that we don't yet grasp. Radiation might have helped make weird molecules in comet ice that collided with Earth - but that's ballistics going all the way back to our solar system just being dense nebula. Or to use 'Interstellar' science - could a very weak gravity focus or 'eddy' determined the creation of our star since the big bang? Does free will exist at all? Humans are just a very unusual iteration of a strange phenomena coating the surface of a rock.
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Jan 12, 2016 04:12
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McDowell posted:Nah there's other forces at work like gravity and spacetime dimensions that we don't yet grasp. Radiation might have helped make weird molecules in comet ice that collided with Earth - but that's ballistics going all the way back to our solar system just being dense nebula.
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Jan 12, 2016 04:21
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Jan 12, 2016 04:32
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fade5 posted:Yes.
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Jan 12, 2016 04:35
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Yes, but it turns out the information processing embedded in the relations between those chemical reactions have the ability to feel love and watch anime. And I'm all out of anime.
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Jan 12, 2016 04:39
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Life has constantly sought organization - from chemical reactions between proteins and other biomolecules - to cells - to multicellular organisms - leading to the animal kingdom, a couple disruptions, and now humans with their own means of organizing themselves - affecting every corner of the planet with events measured in hours. Maybe antibiotic resistant microbes will catch up with us and evolution's flirtation with electronics will end.
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Jan 12, 2016 04:46
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Actually love propels reproduction and therefore speeds the heat death of the universe.
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Jan 12, 2016 04:51
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I don't believe in free will. It's generally a meaningless belly gazing philosophical thing, but it's the only logical conclusion if you really say yes to this thread. I genuinely try not to get mad at people for most of their decisions. Which isn't to say I don't get angry all the time, because I'm just as much controlled by my chemistry as you are. The thing that tipped me over into total acceptance of this idea is actually the stuff I've been learning about how gut bacteria control your life.
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Jan 12, 2016 05:32
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rudatron posted:Yes, but it turns out the information processing embedded in the relations between those chemical reactions have the ability to feel love and watch anime. And I'm all out of anime. Thank God. I mean...thank the dice God plays with. Nevvy Z posted:I don't believe in free will. It's generally a meaningless belly gazing philosophical thing, but it's the only logical conclusion if you really say yes to this thread. I believe in Free Willy because he is a big killer whale and they made a movie about him. Live-action, really didn't look like CGI, pretty sure it was legit. As for the whole gut bacteria thing, well....let me just say I always wash my hands before I eat, so I don't think that's a problem for me. My gut's squeaky clean. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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Jan 12, 2016 07:07
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Yes but it should just make us think more highly of chemical reactions rather than less of life.
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Jan 12, 2016 07:43
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Yep. Sorry we had to break it to you here on a comedy website, OP.
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