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Jazerus posted:life is self-propagating information capable of detecting environmental conditions and responding to them. Seasonal Candles posted:It's a method of carrying information coherently forward in time and space. We and all other Eukarya are adaptive organizations for the dissipation of energy. All energy is, in turn, information, that is then stored and later dissipated into smaller bits. This information levels off into a general flat line w/ regards to richness and structure given enough time, the most complex, and thus larger/more massive patterns (in the form of stars, planets, gas filaments and debris and other stellar-scale objects) are stored permanently in black holes first and then the simplest bits (constituent protons etc.) towards the end of time through the heat death of the universe. Gravity is either an operational framework for the connection of this information dissipation/storage or a byproduct of it. Doesn't information require some being who can potentially perceive it? Yes, the information written in a book can be said to exist separately from a physical copy of the book, but if the last speaker of that language dies without leaving a translation key, the information is lost. Unless "the information" can sort of hover around a book with no potential readers, a perceiver is required. If life is information, who is the perceiver?
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Squalid posted:Life perceives itself. Life (all life) is self-aware? No, I don't think so. While concepts like that are hard to define, just about no one would say that self-awareness is a necessary aspect of being alive.
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Jan 16, 2016 03:56
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Jazerus posted:By establishing both messengers and receptors within the cell, the genetic information has created a mechanism for self-perception without, necessarily, self-awareness in a higher sense. Everything in the cell is an expression of the underlying information and every meaningful signal is a perception either of the self or the environment. Ah, okay, you were using information in a very different way from "informing Bob about his rectal cancer", and more to mean a set of related states. Could Conway's Game of Life contain real life-forms?
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