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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Even I can find something more practical than whatever horseshit TNC proposed: Kill all racists, no exceptions. Well that solves the problem of affording it at least. Once you've killed 99.9999...% of white people and the vast majority of people of color who have internalized white racism to some degree or another and unwittingly do its work, you'll have about six people left in the former United States to distribute reparations to.  On a serious note, I'm not sure if any sort of racial justice can exist with a country called the United States of America that exists within the 1959 50 state borders. Racism is so deeply ingrained that the very idea of "America" that I don't think the country can be "fixed" without a revolution that extends all the way to its very name and identity, or outright balkanization. The US is not a European nation state, it is a settler colonial state. Its mere existence is a continuing act of theft. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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I really don't know what the gently caress (white) people should do about this, only that whatever it is, it will not get done. 
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Not a Step posted:People mainly seem to want to avoid engaging on details and implementation and talk about the moral dimensions and broad scale impossibilities of reparations. People expounding ex culo about things they know nothing about to people who don't know anything about it either isn't a real conversation, thus we haven't really discussed the subject. Unless there are professional administrators in here who can start up a debate about it things will remain that way. corn in the bible posted:It's pretty obvious that black people deserve reparations, but Indians have had casinos for ages so why are we talking about giving them money? Casinos are abominations and so is the fact that many Native American nations have no real choice but to resort to casino operation to survive. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Taking white people's feelings into account re: "gently caress the Black People" is a huge part of why we have a racial equality gap to begin with. Thankfully, less white americans are racist today, maybe even less than half of americans are racist, so there may finally be a majority of non-racist americans who are willing to pass non-racist legislation. You may feel that racist policy is a political inevitiability, but I disagree that it's just 'a political reality' that Americans instinctually support inequal and racist law. This is wrong. White Americans are overwhelmingly racist and indoctrinate their children with racism through nearly every channel of white culture. They also hold almost all the property and political power in the US and control its media. Waiting for them to be less racist or become a minority is not going to work. Even as a minority they will still rule, by apartheid if they have to. Racism is the foundation that America is built on, it is the reason that the American state even exists. Racial equality cannot be even remotely achieved without dismantling the American state and the American identity. It will also probably require a great deal of violence.
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computer parts posted:Saying "shut up about your issues because the other side is horrible and won't listen to you anyway" is kind of an evil, yeah. For me, the whole sticking point with reparations debates is that white people are horrible and won't listen to black people anyway, so there is going to need to be a way to address this. Even when they lose their majority, they control almost all of the country's wealth, they control its media, they control its financial system, they control the civil service, and they control the officer corps of the military. They will not willingly give up control of any of these. The South African apartheid regime ruled with a tiny white minority for decades and the only thing that brought them down was crippling international sanctions from almost the entire world (and their economy was much smaller and less resilient than the American one), and the fact that the country was spiraling towards a nuclear civil war (I remember reading about how the ruling party had plans to drop nukes on black townships to exterminate a large portion of the black population right off the bat). Parliamentary politics of the type many reparations advocates seem to endorse as a way to make them happen are not enough. People make jokes about #YallQaeda and the militia nutjobs, but people like that aren't just a bunch of redneck wackos (OK, they are that, but they're more than that). They're part of an enormous reserve army of white supremacy that white America has built in the past 150 years, many parts of which are far more competent and disciplined than Ammon Bundy and his little band of losers (remember that  used to be the world's most powerful terrorist organization). Meanwhile every attempt by black Americans to build a counter-force to this massive RaHoWa militia has been crushed, often by the federal government itself (i.e. federal intelligence agencies subverting and destroying the Black Panthers).I don't know what is to be done about it, but I am pretty confident that whatever ought to be done, there will no longer be a country called "The United States of America" at the end of it. The United States of America is and has always been a white settler colonialist empire. White supremacy is intrinsic to its very being. It will likely have to be dismantled to achieve anything resembling racial justice...assuming there is any hope of people of color winning, and assuming anything will be left at the end to pay reparations with. *glugglugglugglug*  blowfish posted:That's because loudly screeching social justice advocates typically don't see themselves as If you would take up arms and fight to get out of doing the right thing, you have justified the people fighting for justice killing you. White people will have to lose for racism to be dismantled, and most of them, consciously or not, know this. But it's not black people's fault if they don't like it. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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the ends justify the means, gotta break some eggs to make that omelette
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Is it even a certainty white people will lose their majority any time soon? They have roughly a quarter of a century to start admitting some white Hispanics to maintain it, and if they integrate all white Hispanics their majority will be more solid than it is today by 2050. Obviously this might not be in the cards right now, but as the proportion of non-Hispanic whites grows smaller they might be accepted to maintain the status quo. Probably, and others have predicted something similar. However, it would only postpone the reckoning a few more decades, because Latin America is entering the demographic transition and the world is kind of running out of booming populations of light-skinned people.
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SedanChair posted:It amuses me that people are still wondering if Latinos and Asians will "become white." The truth is, in 20 years "whiteness" won't be seen as valuable or good. By whom? Unless you can stage a revolution and defeat the government and the counterrevolution, white people will see it as valuable and good and use their power to enforce it. You will never defeat white supremacy by sitting on your rear end and waiting it out, that's idiotic.
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SedanChair posted:White people are going to matter less and less, get it? No they won't unless you can bring force to the table, but this is 2015 so we can't talk about actual revolution and will substitute passive protest marches where we all get arrested and reactionaries feel pleased with themselves for sweeping Those People off the streets. Meanwhile everything continues to get worse.
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the trump tutelage posted:Sad to see both sides now endorsing RaHoWa. Yes, black revolution to overthrow white supremacy is exactly the same as genocide to perpetuate said white supremacy, or at its most extreme extent, to annihilate non-white people altogether. Lynch mobs are people too!  Also the fact that the Irish were denigrated by calling th "white niggers" or putting deformed, inaccurate pictures of their skull profiles in a lineup between an Anglo and an even more caricatured black person should clearly show that anti-black racism was always stronger than anti-Irish. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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Almost anything can be a pretext for arrest or other police actions if the police want to badly enough.
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