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Vitalis Jackson posted:This isn't necessarily so, for several reasons. The existence of this planet--let's call in Melancholia--was actually postulated based upon certain orbital characteristics of trans-Neptunian objects. It was noted that these objects seemed to have shared points of perihelion relative to the planets. This was unlikely to occur without outside influence, and appears to be nonrandom. The perihelion of Melancholia is supposed to be outside of the orbits of the inner planets. the model of formation for the solar system that we rely on at the moment predicts that a 5th gas giant was ejected from its orbit early on. it could be we've just found where it went could also be something we picked up from another passing star. a neighbor star passes through the oort cloud every 10 million years or so
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The Whole Internet posted:the model of formation for the solar system that we rely on at the moment predicts that a 5th gas giant was ejected from its orbit early on. This all sounds very logical but I think we should at least give equal credence to the notion that this planet is Jesus.
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reignofevil posted:This all sounds very logical but I think we should at least give equal credence to the notion that this planet is Jesus. Don't be silly, Jesus is just a made up story for children. This is Nirubu. http://www.zetatalk.com/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I9blXQEHyw loving super science
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if we know what all the planets are doing now and the laws of physics at that scale are all deterministic and time reversable just put in the data points and run it backwards and it will tell you how many planets got made in the beginning
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naem posted:It's just that we've known the orbits of all the planets since like the 1500's I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed the effects of an extra giant magnet out there Uranus was discovered in 1781. Neptune was discovered in 1846. Pluto wasn't discovered until 1930. And the existence of this potential new planet is being inferred by its gravitational effects on other objects. So someone has noticed the effects of an "extra giant magnet" out there.
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I thought the regular 'poo poo being throw at us' cycle was due to us dipping above and below the galactic plane? Even crazy far out, wouldn't something that large make the sun or other planets wobble even slightly?
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Jan 22, 2016 08:29
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Second Sun posted:I thought the regular 'poo poo being throw at us' cycle was due to us dipping above and below the galactic plane? no, because 99.9% of the mass of the solar system is in the sun, and most of the rest is Jupiter. a Neptune sized-planet that far away is basically nothing
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The Whole Internet posted:no, because 99.9% of the mass of the solar system is in the sun, and most of the rest is Jupiter. a Neptune sized-planet that far away is basically nothing Ok, so I assume the excuse for it not being found is that all our asteroid looking poo poo is pointed at the ecliptic plane while this is probably perpendicular to it?
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Second Sun posted:I thought the regular 'poo poo being throw at us' cycle was due to us dipping above and below the galactic plane? There's a theory that the Earth is traversing the galactic plane regularly, because at the time that seemed like the best explanation. If there's a sizable body interacting with the Oort cloud, that's an even better explanation. Instead of assuming we hit clouds of debris in a huge universe randomly, this theory already knows where the debris is, and now possibly we know how it's being interacted with. Possibly. Also, pro tier username/post
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Second Sun posted:Ok, so I assume the excuse for it not being found is that all our asteroid looking poo poo is pointed at the ecliptic plane while this is probably perpendicular to it? It's at least 10 times as far away as Neptune, so it gets 1/100th of the sunlight, and reflects 1/10000th. And it moves so little it was basically still in the same place when we started seriously looking at that area of space 30ish years ago.
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VikingSkull posted:Also, pro tier username/post  I wont be cool if anyone figures out what it's really from.peak debt posted:It's at least 10 times as far away as Neptune, so it gets 1/100th of the sunlight, and reflects 1/10000th. And it moves so little it was basically still in the same place when we started seriously looking at that area of space 30ish years ago. Ah, so we won't find it until we map the whole sky once a decade for a century and a computer finally picks up the movement.
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gently caress, it's not even halfway through the orbit it started when we developed agriculture. That's how big and slow this theoretical orbit is. e- it's ~1/3 of the way around
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VikingSkull posted:gently caress, it's not even halfway through the orbit it started when we developed agriculture. Fair enough. It's not really that obvious though. Considering we found Eris and Makemake, and they're tiny, while this thing is supposed to be huge.
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Huge compared to us, even Jupiter is tiny for us to spot at that distance. I mean, this is a light year away, roundabouts. 10 Earth masses is a relatively small planet, not only in our neighborhood but among discovered exoplanets as well. The planetary average is far larger, or so it seems. e- this may be because of how difficult it is to spot exoplanets, the larger ones will of course be easier to see
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A misanthrope posted:its niburu!!! we called david icke crazy, but who's crazy now huh?? dats planet x man. Been saying man. But Man don't listen like that.
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The news that there may be a sleeper planet in our solar system ready to seditiously infiltrate us is terrifying, I hope we nuke it
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 Hello nasa? Yeah I would like to order the missing black keys for my piano. Alright great thanks, mmmmbye.
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I just got some black hole myself
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Holy poo poo, a white dwarf - riding a scooter
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institutionalised racism is a dark matter, and not something a white person can measure or perceive
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VikingSkull posted:I mean, this is a light year away, roundabouts. The upper bound of the proposed object's aphelion is 1200 AU, less than 2% of a lightyear. Fag.
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Dang, that's pretty far out there. Aside from long-period comets, Sedna is the most distant object in the solar system that we know about. On the off chance it exists, this thing is going to be really hard to find.
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emoji posted:The upper bound of the proposed object's aphelion is 1200 AU, less than 2% of a lightyear. Fag. Well I misheard wrong so thanks for the correction, and what your dad and I do is none of your business
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XMNN posted:about time americans stepped up their game and discovered a planet Hey I don't see your dump country discovering anything out there why don't you discover my foot in your rear end
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gary oldmans diary posted:astronomy is so boring why dont you f*** of
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Black holes are cool as poo poo imo. Just a big ole' gravity well eating everything that drifts near. I hope a black hole eats Earth ones billion years from now
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im going to gently caress the planet
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The Whole Internet posted:no, because 99.9% of the mass of the solar system is in the sun, and most of the rest is Jupiter. a Neptune sized-planet that far away is basically nothing Technically it would contribute to the Sun's wobble, but is so small compared to the Sun and so far out that the wobble is probably almost immeasurable. And it's existence is being inferred based on its gravitational effects, so...
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I have an irrational fear that all our space flights and orbital maneuvers are stealing kinetic energy from the planets/moons (this is true) but my fear is that in like 200 years when/if spaceflight is a common thing we'll gently caress up the mechanics of the solar system to the point that we'll cause major catastrophes (like planets colliding or something). I know rationally that it would require like trillions and trillions of slingshots and whatever and the sun will be long since nova'd before this is even remotely a concern but still.
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I'm more worried about relativistic weapons why nuke when you can huck a rock from space?
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Toadvine posted:Hey I don't see your dump country discovering anything out there why don't you discover my foot in your rear end uh hirschel found the first planet in thousands of years and its only sporting to let the bitch countries pick up the scraps
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32MB OF ESRAM posted:guys i really want to call it planet X nibiru
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VikingSkull posted:I'm more worried about relativistic weapons Because the nuke will take 99.999% less time to get there and do more damage given the same resource investment.
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Moridin920 posted:I have an irrational fear that all our space flights and orbital maneuvers are stealing kinetic energy from the planets/moons (this is true) but my fear is that in like 200 years when/if spaceflight is a common thing we'll gently caress up the mechanics of the solar system to the point that we'll cause major catastrophes (like planets colliding or something). I'm shocked you think like this XMNN posted:uh hirschel found the first planet in thousands of years and its only sporting to let the bitch countries pick up the scraps herschel found Uranus so I suggest you find Myanus and kiss it
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JohnnySavs posted:Because the nuke will take 99.999% less time to get there and do more damage given the same resource investment. Only if you're thinking in terms of one Earth-bound nation vs another.
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Doc Block posted:Only if you're thinking in terms of one Earth-bound nation vs another. so, nations that exist
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Man, reading about all these starts zooming through the galaxy at 700 miles/second makes you scared. First, what thing out there has the power to propel a huge object at those speeds. Second, what if one is headed our way ?! A black hole could be lurking just outside the solar system and we wouldn't know it until it would get close enough to gravitational move stuff in the Oort cloud
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VikingSkull posted:I'm more worried about relativistic weapons http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rocks_Are_Not_Free!
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