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RickVoid posted:I know nothing about this game other than what we've seen so far, but I understand what the wristband thing is about and everytime Jupiter does it it's unsettling as gently caress. Yeah. Jupiter's arc definitely spoke to me hard, that gesture included.
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Elastic or rubber bands are also often used as a sort of misguided aversion therapy, particularly associated with a certain kind of Christian guilt. She's punishing herself for having bad thoughts. Specifically, gay thoughts. EDIT: Also wow, you're all really old? Or something?
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RickVoid posted:Just went back to check the other occurances. Yeah, that was supposed to be spoiler-tagged, not bold-tagged. Although I don't think it's much of a spoiler if you're paying attention. Or read the OP.
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To be fair to the writers, Sailor Moon does in fact rule.
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death .cab for qt posted:What's the first sailor moon rule? Sometimes the hardest thing in the world is believing in yourself. But set your mind and heart on it, and anything is possible. Bye now!
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brycepahatesyou posted:♃ + ♆ because they probably could hold their liquor better then Venus This is the exact reason to vote Venus and Neptune.
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 (Comic drawn by the game's artist, Mia Schwartz, and not actually a spoiler.)
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Jupiter and Neptune. Jupiter and Neptune. JUPITER AND NEPTUNE. This is the best non-ending scene in the game and also the crucial setup for what's gonna happen next and we are going to watch it together you fuckers aren't going to take this from me. Jupiter. And. Neptune.
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Flac posted:
Sorry, you're right.
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Oooook for everybody who's played wktd already: be careful with your words. You can say "I'm voting this because it's my favorite choice and I love what happens" because I understand, but "this choice is the most NECESSARY for plot" is too close to spoilers for me, even when it's not entirely true, so chill with that please.
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thechosenone posted:The suspense is killing me: how does one win 7 minutes in heaven? also, what exactly is it again? You get locked in a closet with someone for seven minutes, and you're supposed to make out. If the makeouts are hot, you win.
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thechosenone posted:Its hard to describe how this scene makes me feel. I just wish I could read stories that could do that more often. The devil will be here soon.
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Sylphosaurus posted:Where's the fun in that? You may have missed it somehow, but that gay makeout had two people in it. Jupiter is very much Not Straight. (I'm not even going to talk about Venus. We will get to Venus in due time.)
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Okay nerdlings, this is your last chance for the raw, lonely experience. The train makes no more stops. God has already condemned you. Go here. Make an account. Pay HAIL SATAN dollars. Know the devil.
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I think WKTD is definitely angling for more of a magical realism feel than a full urban fantasy feel. The presence of the unnatural is never really explained or codified, and seems to work more on emotional principles than logical ones.
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 Jupiter, the devil. (Source. Be careful of scrolling, or else spoilers.) gutterdaughter fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Flac posted:GOD: It is absolutely certain the devil is already here. Flac posted:
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Flac posted:GOD: —each of you shall choose. It is certain that the devil is coming. gutterdaughter fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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♆: You can wait it out forever. As long as you don't say it.
♃: I hope I can.
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♃: Like how you don't have to touch someone to touch someone? You know?
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 Neptune, the devil. (Source. Again, spoilers. Not the best image in the series, but there's just not a great deal of devil-Neptune fanart for some reason?)
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Junpei posted:If Jupy's secret was she's gay, my money's on Ven being transgender and Nep's sado-masochistic. I could be wrong, though. Been wanting to comment on this since I saw it, but I wanted to wait until after we'd seen Neptune's ending. WKTD isn't about discovering "secrets." Rather, it's about the things that drive our scared and lonely teens into being the Other. Jupiter isn't the devil because she's gay. She's the devil because she's closeted and ashamed and terrified. She desperately wants intimacy and touch, but she's internalized the idea that here desire isn't just wrong, it's actively poisonous. She believes her desire can hurt people, or hurt herself. Flac posted:
And so she tries to drive the desire out, through her wristband-punishment and her obsessive goodness. But she can't drive it out. And the conclusion she comes to is, she must be inherently broken. Flac posted:
--- Neptune, on the other hand, doesn't have a big capital-s Secret. Sure, she's also some variety of lowkey not-straight, but she's much more okay with it. Sure, her approach to the closet is a little messed up, and absolutely not the right thing to tell poor Jupiter-- Flac posted:
--but it doesn't keep her up at night or anything. Instead, her struggle with the world is a lot more fundamental: She's a girl, and she has the utter audacity not to be meek and ashamed and quiet. Flac posted:
And where Jupiter is passive in her conflict with the world, Neptune is very, very aggressive. She lashes out. She spits bile (ha). That said, Nep does have a her own small-s secret, which she tries not to let on. All her aggression? All the fantastically sick burns and pure teenage girl fury? It's not working. She can't hurt the world hard enough that it stops hurting her. It's not possible. But all she knows how to do is double down. Get madder. Hit harder. Keep going until your knuckles bleed. Keep going until you kill yourself fighting. Worse though, is Jupiter and Neptune's passivity. She can see her own suffering mirrored in them, and she sees them just lie down and take it, and she can't bear it. She needs them to fight back, for the same reason she needs to fight back. And if she has to MAKE THEM fight back, then so loving be it. Flac posted:
If that means literally drowning them in her own anger and black bile, so be it. Flac posted:
--- As for Venus, well. We'll get to Venus.
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♃: Ahaha.
♃: Gross.
♃: I'm gross.
♃: You shouldn't touch me.
♃: Not that I'm saying it.
♆: I'm an evil bad slut right? I'm a bitch and a flirt.
♆: And this is somehow my problem, because they can't get over themselves and leave me alone?
♀: Don't you want to at least make stuff a little easier for her?
♆: I want to make it so bad she has to say it. I want to hear it out loud.
♆: Ha. Sorry. Stay good there Venus.
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 Venus, the devil. (Source.) Can finally show off some of the really good fanart, since most of the best stuff in ensemble pieces.  (Source.)  (Source.)
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Junpei posted:I still am holding true to my belief that Ven will turn out to be transgender. Not the medical kind, though. Venus is biologically a girl, and has been since birth, but self-identifies as a boy. The androgynous appearance, the passive, kind attitude. It just... clicks. Close, but no cigar. It's probably worth noting that one of the creators, Aevee Bee, is a trans woman. It's possibly worth noting that I am, too. Venus is what we look like before we figure it out, or come to grips with it. Back when we know that being male feels like a rash, or a condemnation, but before we really know what to do about it. I'm told the hip kids call it "eggmode" these days. Flac posted:
That said, Venus's arc isn't entirely about being trans, or pre-trans. To be honest, Venus's arc has always been the hardest for me to interpret, beat-by-beat. I've got a bunch more words to write on her, but I haven't slept and my brain is mashed peas, so I'll get to that.
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♃: You sure are not like other boys.
♀: Ha. Thank you. It would be a lot easier if I was though.
♃: ..."thank you?" Aha, I finally found a compliment you like.
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Flac posted:THE DEVIL: It hurts to see you like this so much. is my favorite line of the game.
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Thank you for this LP, Flac. We Know the Devil was, and is, a deeply significant game for me. I played through it in an evening, but it hasn't left me for months. I will die with these kids in my heart. I'm so glad to see it reach more people. We Know the Devil is a letter for all the terrified queer kids stranded in the middle of nowhere, and the old queer adults who inherited their wounds: It hurts to see you like this. But we see you. Trapped in a hurricane of your own conflicted needs; poisoned with a bitterness you never asked for; shining in your vulnerability. We see you. And there's no need for penitence, for forgiveness, for absolution. There is a better option, a better world, an apotheosis. There is room for all of you in our world. We have a new apple. For everyone in the world.  (Source.)
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Now that I've watched this ending for the, iunno, fourth or fifth time, and had reason to write down my thoughts on each character, I think it's particularly interesting which of our girls discovers the devil in her first. Not brash, bitter Neptune, but shy and submissive Venus. This is because Venus's otherness is based in sincerity and vulnerability. (I never really got to talk about Venus, the biggest cipher of the cast. But I think the final ending helps unlock her for us.) Venus wants to be seen, in all the truth of who she is. She's not good at articulating what that IS, of course--she's still stuck in eggmode for much of the story, which entails a certain degree of not-knowing-why-it-hurts. (Speaking from experience, of course.) But she's not afraid to hurt visibly, even when people don't want to see her hurt, or even want to hurt her more. She's appallingly honest with her tenderness, where Jupiter and Neptune both hide behind defensive personas. So when the chance comes to throw away her body and Become the Devil, she doesn't hesitate. It's easy. She was already ready to bloom. Whereas Neptune talks a good fight--her final scene before transformation is a chorus of hail Satans and all, but let's be real. She's not saying that out of love for the devil/herself. She's just being spiteful to the camp and to God. It's what she's always done, claw and scratch and bite. She doesn't see a way out of hurting. Hurting and being hurt is her life, and she has no reason to believe she's not going to suffer. It's only when Venus Becomes the Devil that Neptune can even conceive of another way out: apotheosis. But once she realizes this, she jumps at the chance. And of course, Jupiter resists until the end. I'm pretty sure everyone saw that coming. Poor Jupiter, who wants so bad to be good. Who so deeply believes that goodness can only come from punishment and penitence and martyrdom. She's not even resisting the Devil because the Devil is bad. She says it herself: She wants to be the Devil. But what has her life even been besides denying herself the things she so desperately wants?
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