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Tei posted:Theres a spirit floating in the sky. This spirit is like superpowerful, can destroy the whole universe if he want. Tei posted:This spirit follow you around and can heard what you think and what you do. Tei posted:He have a serie of rules. If you has been bad, when you die, the spirit will create a clone of you into a spirit form, and torture you forever. Plus, when you've got a rabble of stinky, uneducated desert people you're trying to lead across the barren wastes, sometimes you gotta use the stick instead of the carrot to enact some social control. You've got limited resources - water being chief among them - and yet there's this super-intelligent livestock that people keep around because they just love to eat them, only it just so happens that they require lots of water, shade, and compete for the same staple foodgroups that humans do in an arid, unforgiving desert climate. Tei posted:And thats why eating bacon is bad.  
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TEAYCHES posted:Free will does not exist. Free will is an intentional construct to keep us all guessin' what's gonna happen next.
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Jan 28, 2016 21:34
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TEAYCHES posted:Free will does not exist. This I can agree with.
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Jan 28, 2016 21:42
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I love how the proponent of A=A, cause and effect atheist logic - Ayn Rand - throws in a magic variable of free will so she can have sexier, more rapey romantic heroes in her lovely fiction.
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Jan 28, 2016 21:44
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reality don't exist too, so what?
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Jan 28, 2016 22:18
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:reality don't exist too, so what? Just because you are all illusions doesn't mean my reality doesn't exist.
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Jan 28, 2016 22:25
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I've never met a theist-solipsist before. Since I'm just a figment of your imagination could you imagine me richer? TIA.
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I think atheism is a choice between full atheism and agnosticism. I'm wondering if the disagreements here are semantic. I don't feel like religion is an option for me. There are different shades of non theism. I'm not inside the heads of any religious people, but I think they're repelled by rejection of faith not because religion is so convincing, but because atheism is extremely uncomfortable to them. This is supported by religious arguments against atheism, as religion is the foundation of their morality and a satisfying (to them) explanation for existence. There isn't really a satisfying explanation for existence. That's just the way it is. And of course tons of stories address this problem completely ignoring theology; sometimes the protagonist finds Jesus and sometimes just friendship or some poo poo. And most people, regardless of what faith they identify as, will not insist that morality fables or existential struggles provide a theological answer. They'll go with whatever works in the moment. I figure most people just go along with religion to fit in. Otherwise the distribution of faiths would not be so tied to geography or family. Also I figure most people face atheism at some point and outwardly claim otherwise. Doubt is ever present but they're socially and personally invested in faith. I can't understand honest religious belief at all and I have a hard time believing most people aren't at least partially atheist. That might be a personal blind spot, but I don't think anyone is going to argue that humans don't lie to themselves.
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Ah, but what exactly is 'lying' to yourself? It's not an intentional deception, because that is literally impossible. It's more accurate to describe it as a confusion over what you feel and why you feel that way. Like the anti-pornography activist that secretly seeks out what they act to ban, people's actions are a result of conflicting desires and expectations, tied up with guilt, shame and pride. Not that atheists are immune to this, which is important to acknowledge. It's also the reason why I strongly believe the replacement for religion is not atheism, but psychoanalysis. TEAYCHES posted:read this and tell me it warrants a response beyond ridicule.
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rudatron posted:Ah, but what exactly is 'lying' to yourself? It's not an intentional deception, because that is literally impossible. It's more accurate to describe it as a confusion over what you feel and why you feel that way. Like the anti-pornography activist that secretly seeks out what they act to ban, people's actions are a result of conflicting desires and expectations, tied up with guilt, shame and pride. Yeah I said everyone is at least part atheist. Likewise I doubt anyone is 100% an atheist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPc_Jai2-ww
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Jan 29, 2016 02:53
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I think we can all agree on one thing tho: If atheism is a choice, then it is the right choice.
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Jan 29, 2016 11:57
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a god that has created a universe so thoroughly unpleasant as this one is not worthy of acknowledgement, let alone worship congrats on creating entropy you divine idiot gently caress. really thought that one through.
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Moxie posted:Yeah I said everyone is at least part atheist. Likewise I doubt anyone is 100% an atheist. What do you mean by "100% atheist"? Because I can assure you I don't believe in any gods.
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Dazzling Addar posted:a god that has created a universe so thoroughly unpleasant as this one is not worthy of acknowledgement, let alone worship the whole predator-prey cycle always struck me as something only a real rear end in a top hat would impose on their created universe
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Jan 29, 2016 15:07
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Coyotes eat rabbits: proof that God is evil??
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The Kingfish posted:Coyotes eat rabbits: proof that God is evil?? yeah, kinda
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Jan 29, 2016 15:32
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Nature is immoral, and if god existed, so is he. Proof that god existed would just be exhibit A in the criminal case against him.
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Jan 29, 2016 15:33
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Actually, I think you will find that God is good.
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Crimes against humanity are not good, and can never be forgiven.
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Jan 29, 2016 15:41
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God the Father can't commit a crime though, it's impossible. Use your freaking brain here!
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rudatron posted:Crimes against humanity are not good, and can never be forgiven. Deuteronomy 20:10-18 nvr frgt
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Jan 29, 2016 16:03
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Atheists choose to accept one silly, pointless movement in the brain of a bald ape, while rejecting another silly pointless movement in the brain of a bald ape So yeah, it's a choice and a foolish one at that
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You can exercise a privation of volition, by the way I can choose to accept the Truth of the Lord Jesus Christ, which means before I choose that I am able to not choose that
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Jan 29, 2016 16:10
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les fleurs du mall posted:Is atheism a choice or can you not help being atheist? The short answer is yes to both
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zeal posted:Deuteronomy 20:10-18 nvr frgt Just like the atheists, the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites didn't have a choice.
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It's literally not a choice to be a 350 lb neckbeard with diabetus and heart disease, reaching my twilight years in my thirties Unlike you fit and healthy people, who were born with the drive to eat healthy. I was born with the desire to eat sugar and bread, I literally Have No Choice when my body craves sweet corn syrup and cheesy bread. It's baked into my DNA, the crave for processed sugar and carbs, I was made this way. Literally no choice involved
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Jan 29, 2016 16:15
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Atheist ideology logically to a worldview devoid of freedom and choice, atheism is the rejection of freedom, so in that sense you can argue that atheism is not chosen because it robs one of any real freedom, both retroactively and in the future
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Lol if you think homo is a choice it follows directly that you are equally craving dick in your rear end as much as you want boobies and every day is a struggle, which, imo, makes you a fag.
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I think atheism is a fine option, just worthless as some kind of quasi social or intellectual movement, and normally the people obsessed with atheism are as insane as any insecure fundamentalist.
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TEAYCHES posted:I think atheism is a fine option, just worthless as some kind of quasi social or intellectual movement, and normally the people obsessed with atheism are as insane as any insecure fundamentalist. good because it aims at neither
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Atheism should be tested for and required to hold any government job though.
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If there was a god, the Kardashians would have all died in a plane crash long ago and David Bowie would still be alive.quote:I think atheism is a fine option, just worthless as some kind of quasi social or intellectual movement, and normally the people obsessed with atheism are as insane as any insecure fundamentalist. I dunno, to me there is something dangerous about religion's ability to make people just accept inequality and injustice. "They'll get what's coming to them in the next life/I'll be rich in the kingdom of heaven" or whatever. People wanting to pretend they'll live forever on clouds with harps isn't bad in a vacuum, but I hate that it lets the rich exploit dumb poor people who are willing to just "endure God's trials." Odds are this is all you get dumbass, make it count. Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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Flowers For Algeria posted:good because it aims at neither I'm not referring to "atheism" as an abstract concept but rather the visible manifestation of it among midbrow intellectuals like Harris or Dawkins and the legions of neckbeards on stupid websites like reddit or Something Awful.
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TEAYCHES posted:Lol if you think homo is a choice it follows directly that you are equally craving dick in your rear end as much as you want boobies and every day is a struggle, which, imo, makes you a fag. It just depends on how we define sexual orientation, as something you desire (either consciously or subconsciously), or your preferences with regards to the sexual choices you act upon. If we accept that sexual orientation is based on desires (even subconscious desires) regardless of actions, then I would say everyone is gay, adultererous. fetisistic, sadistic, masochistic, pedophilic, incestous, etc. etc. etc. If we argue that sexual orientation is more about what you actually choose to do, then no I am a prudish straight monogamous married cismale
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Commie NedFlanders posted:If we accept that sexual orientation is based on desires (even subconscious desires) regardless of actions, then I would say everyone is gay, adultererous. fetisistic, sadistic, masochistic, pedophilic, incestous, etc. etc. etc. I have literally no desire nor want of anything sadistic, masochistic, pedophilic, or incestuous, and you should probably see a mental health professional immediately if you have desires for the latter two.
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Commie NedFlanders posted:It just depends on how we define sexual orientation, as something you desire (either consciously or subconsciously), or your preferences with regards to the sexual choices you act upon. Lol so you are saying you want some d on the downlow but repress it constantly by choosing to gently caress your wife instead.
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Who What Now posted:I have literally no desire nor want of anything sadistic, masochistic, pedophilic, or incestuous, and you should probably see a mental health professional immediately if you have desires for the latter two. Read Freud
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I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever
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Everyone is gay, and also not gay, whether you choose to gently caress women or men depends on how much you hate men/women.Who What Now posted:I have literally no desire nor want of anything sadistic, masochistic, pedophilic, or incestuous, and you should probably see a mental health professional immediately if you have desires for the latter two.
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TEAYCHES posted:Lol so you are saying you want some d on the downlow but repress it constantly by choosing to gently caress your wife instead. Technically it's the phallus I (subconsciously) desire to possess, although some people associate this with the penis I possess a symbolic phallus and authentically desire to have my wife
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