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Dear TFF Goons, I have been voluntold to coach my kid's flag football team. I have no idea what I'm doing. The league is an NFL flag league. You can find the rulebook here: https://www.nflflag.com/pdf/NFL_FLAG_Regular_Season_Rule_Book_2012.pdf Significant rules 5 on 5. NO CONTACT aside from flag pulling Pass rushers can run unabated to the quarterback, but must start from 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Field is 50 yards long. One first down line at mid-field All drives start at your own team's 5 yard line. 3 downs to get a TD or a first down No QB rushes QB has a 7 second clock to pass or the play is whistled dead. So goons, help me build a playbook. These kids are 10-12. Some of them can throw decently, some of them have decent spin moves. I have to rotate to keep playing time equal for the whole roster. Here's an empty playsheet to sketch on.  My questions are: How do you run the ball without blocking? No contact is allowed, even picks are a penalty. What does the rest of the offense do once the ball is handed off or a pass in completed? Proust Malone fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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just call Da Bomb every down
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Jan 22, 2016 20:23
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Typically you don't see people running the ball in flag football. You will never see somebody run like up the gut or whatever poo poo. At most you might see like a jet sweep, but even that is hard to do unless you have half the field clear and your guy is the fastest player on the field. I can't do anything right now but really you can do well calling a flag football offense by mixing in a combination of curls and crossing routes over the middle, with the occasional deep route. That poo poo is basically impossible to cover because the linebacker can't murder you crossing over the middle.
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Jan 22, 2016 20:34
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Put them in pads and have them run the tight t, God bless
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Jan 22, 2016 20:42
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I don't really have any suggestions about what specific plays are going to work with kids in that rule framework. Practice pulling flags and do a zone defense would be my only concrete suggestions. I have a logistics suggestions based on what I used to do with my adult flag football team which you can take or leave as appropriate: -used the Flag Football Playmaker app to make/organize plays, which was easier than just using MSPAINT or google draw or something similar when you wanted to tweak something (though those are fine, the app will make a wristband version of your playbook which is a pain to do manually) -printed wristband playsheets on Avery Inkjet Printable Fabric, cut them out, and ironed those onto small-ish tube socks (with the toe cut off) -just gave one to everyone, so everyone had a little playbook picture on their forearm
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Jan 22, 2016 20:46
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Here is one I drew up for you You want to have the quarterback and half back in the pistol formation with two receivers flanking the center. At the snap, have the quarterback fake a handoff to the running back and then loop away from the play with his back to the defense to keep the ball hidden. The halfback will cross outside in the opposite before looping back around at the line of scrimmage. While defenders take the bait, send your two receivers in vertical routes that cross ten yards down the field. Have one receiver make a break to the right of the field while the other one moves forward a yard or two back to the play. At this point the QB should loop back around with the ball still in his possession and make a bullet pass to the stationary receiver. Here is a quick diagram 
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Jan 22, 2016 20:57
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Mel Mudkiper posted:then loop away from the play with his back to the defense to keep the ball hidden. Pretty obvious from the sketch that the ball is in plain sight.
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Jan 22, 2016 21:05
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Here, this will give you a decided schematic advantage over your opponents
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Jan 22, 2016 21:06
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Legitimately though if its a zero blocking flag game you want to run plays that will spread out the defense and make the best of big pockets. Use the corners as much as possible and try to get the free defender to bite on doubling on one of your receivers rather than going for the sack. If you can make him pay on enough pass rushes with completions to 1-1 coverage you also open up the possibility of using your Qb as a rushing option
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Jan 22, 2016 21:10
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you could always do the old "hey coach wrong ball" play too
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Jan 22, 2016 21:10
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The correct option, as always, is Triple Option Out of the Wishbone.
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Jan 22, 2016 21:12
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Legitimately though if its a zero blocking flag game you want to run plays that will spread out the defense and make the best of big pockets. Use the corners as much as possible and try to get the free defender to bite on doubling on one of your receivers rather than going for the sack. If you can make him pay on enough pass rushes with completions to 1-1 coverage you also open up the possibility of using your Qb as a rushing option I should have noted that there is a rule against QB rushes. There is no rule against running back passes though, you just need to make a clean handoff and pass before a kid comes in from 7 yards unabated. A handoff then a pass to the QB might work with a single rusher.
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Jan 22, 2016 21:18
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Annexation of Puerto Rico
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Jan 22, 2016 21:20
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Ron Jeremy posted:I should have noted that there is a rule against QB rushes. There is no rule against running back passes though, you just need to make a clean handoff and pass before a kid comes in from 7 yards unabated. A handoff then a pass to the QB might work with a single rusher. Keep in mind its kids though. You will honestly have more success exploiting physical matchups and athletic ability than trying to be tricky. If you have a fast guy, try to make sure his defender is not as fast, etc. Removing blocking basically means the game is going be more or less dependent on the athleticism of your receivers against the other team.
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Jan 22, 2016 21:21
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I played 7 on 7 in the summers to keep fresh and there are a couple sure fire plays. (Depending on arm strength of course). Easy money is all 5 yard hitches to dink and dunk down the field. Hitches on the outside and have someone run down the seam for a lob. Hitch and go for the outside receivers with a pump fake. All go's. Inside receivers both run flags and outside give you a 3 step slant and then sit in between the coverage. All of this will probably be too much for them though, so just run swing passes left and right to a guy in the backfield. Once they hug the LOS, have your QB throw it as far as he can down the sideline on a go and hope for the best.
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Jan 22, 2016 21:27
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buddhanc posted:I played 7 on 7 in the summers to keep fresh and there are a couple sure fire plays. (Depending on arm strength of course). hahaha I forgot about the time I made that avatar
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Jan 22, 2016 21:29
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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-zNnv66g0I&t=9272s Is Mesh too much for kids? 
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Jan 22, 2016 21:31
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If I'm reading your field description right, you have three downs to get 20 yards? That pretty much eliminates the running game, really.
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Jan 22, 2016 21:41
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Meet my good friend, the Smash Route. High/low divides out the rear end.
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Jan 22, 2016 21:42
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Just remember that by instinct or inclination, they will all run to the same part of the field and stand there waving their arms. Make sure they understand short, medium and long, left, right and middle and design plays to separate everyone. If they get that they should be OK. Do silly stuff to keep their interest. Have one play where someone sits down or something attention getting. Keep the number of plays to a minimum. And by all means MAKE SURE THEY HAVE FUN. One of my co-workers is the worst football dad. He argues with the coaches, he berates his son. He gets violently upset if the team loses. His son is twelve.
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Jan 22, 2016 21:47
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Darth Brooks posted:MAKE SURE THEY HAVE FUN. Look at this pathetic non-Kia driving bullshit
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Jan 22, 2016 21:49
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No contact at all? I tried.
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Jan 22, 2016 22:00
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Mel Mudkiper posted:hahaha I forgot about the time I made that avatar And it's amazing. You're the best
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju-KewBfyX8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6u8IPUhYCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgNFRx8GrKM http://www.5on5flagfootballplays.net/
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Jan 22, 2016 22:10
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Once they are solid on some basic plays, be sure to work in some misdirection. Here's a good trick play to work on:
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Jan 22, 2016 22:14
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QB in shotgun C snaps and runs full tilt straight up field. Once he gets to about how far your QB can throw, he button hooks for a ready for a long pass. WRs are doing quick outs. Throw to the most open guy for an easy ~4-5 yards. Rinse + repeat. RB is there for a screen pass and run for a few if the defence comes with a heavy pass rush. Put your quick agile guy in this position.  I know nothing and haven't designed plays since ancient video games I don't even remember the names of.
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Darth Brooks posted:Just remember that by instinct or inclination, they will all run to the same part of the field and stand there waving their arms. Make sure they understand short, medium and long, left, right and middle and design plays to separate everyone. If they get that they should be OK. This is my thing too. I've coached baseball for a while and my focus has always been keeping the kids having fun and interested. If they say they want to play again next year then I've done my job. As far as parents go, I've had mostly good experiences. There's always that one dude though every season. One year the "that guy" happened to be on the board. He was supposed to go to all the games to make sure they were running smoothly. He ended up only going to his kid's games and only intervening to overrule a call that didn't go his kid's way.
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Jan 22, 2016 22:31
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Dubious posted:just call Da Bomb every down this is the answer. source: it was my playbook when i won my dorm blitz tourney in college
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Jan 22, 2016 23:32
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Punt every posession until your kids can block and or tackle. Send the league a message imo. Also if there's no blocking then have one kid take the ball and have the rest of the team form a circle aound him so he is untouchable by the other team.
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Jan 22, 2016 23:42
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Dubious posted:just call Da Bomb every down For reference:  This is a sound strategy.
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Jan 22, 2016 23:43
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DrKennethNoisewater posted:Once they are solid on some basic plays, be sure to work in some misdirection. Here's a good trick play to work on: 
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Jan 23, 2016 00:53
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Run trips and a lot of mesh plays. That's easily your best bet. And teach your quarterback how to pump fake. Mel I laughed my rear end off
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Jan 23, 2016 00:59
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Running the ball is basically all gonna be misdirection/option stuff if your league doesn't allow blockers. What your offensive players can do after a completion or on a run play depends on the league. You should have a double pass play. They work really well. If you can find someone who can basically long-snap the ball it's a big deal. Putting your QB back as far as you reasonably can is a big deal. Don't go crazy with the routes, make sure people know how to run them. You should also be paying attention to defense if you're going to be coaching both sides of the ball, it's a big deal. Practice the living poo poo out of flag-pulling- have them rake their hands down towards the belt. I'm a big fan of teaching kids to keep their eyes on the waist, use the sideline to their advantage, etc. Put one of your best athletes at rusher, really work on them so they know how to do it. Getting to the QB fast as possible is good, but missing him is really bad. Be ready to spell your rusher. I also like off-setting rushers on the QBs throwing side, try to flush them to the left side if they are right handed, etc. That's especially nice if the QB can't rush. If a QB can't rush you can consider man coverage, usually you don't in flag football. Most teams are running cover-1 or cover-2, safety is also a pretty big deal especially if it's cover-1.
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Jan 23, 2016 01:10
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Here is one I drew up for you I think this is my favorite post ever on this forum.
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Jan 23, 2016 01:13
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be sure to scout your opponents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbosQc0smg8
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Darth Brooks posted:Just remember that by instinct or inclination, they will all run to the same part of the field and stand there waving their arms. Make sure they understand short, medium and long, left, right and middle and design plays to separate everyone. If they get that they should be OK. Holy poo poo this. I enjoyed sports as a kid, but stopped playing at the high-school level because people started getting way too intense. Even in like, PE. Great on you for coaching, though. I like Flag Football. I really think kids shouldn't be allowed to play tackle until they're 16. A friend of the family has a kid that did youth tackle football, he ruined his knees by the time he was 15 and couldn't play any sports afterwards.
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Jan 23, 2016 01:36
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If you are running more than 3 routes you're doing it wrong
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AAA DOLFAN posted:If you are running more than 3 routes you're doing it wrong So my play with one route(only if there's a heavyset kid covering) and 3 defenders falling down to buy space for the runner is the best? Got it. 
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Honestly the sit down or do something strange is a genius. I'm giving you 14-15 year old kid stuff not like 12. And the difference is huge
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