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BigBoss posted:You'd be wrong. It was the Flint city council who made the decision to switch off of Detroit water. The EFM was in place but did not participate in the decision. The vote by city council was symbolic and carried no authority in the final decision. The EM made the final decision. That's what the EM does, take control over city operations and finances.
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Feb 2, 2016 22:10
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Gravitee posted:The vote by city council was symbolic and carried no authority in the final decision. The EM made the final decision. That's what the EM does, take control over city operations and finances. So you're mad the EFM did exactly what the people of Flint wanted and voted to do?
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Feb 2, 2016 23:32
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Fix it, they'll just gently caress it up again.
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Feb 2, 2016 23:36
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BigBoss posted:So you're mad the EFM did exactly what the people of Flint wanted and voted to do? The people of Flint voted to change over to the Karegnondi pipeline when it, and the attendant treatment facilities, were finished. Then Earley decided to take them off Detroit's system 3+ years early, and to use poisonous river water instead, and to not spend a hundred bucks a day to treat it per del Toral's recommendation to prevent it from leaching lead from Flint's ancient-rear end plumbing. Because gently caress you, I guess. e: oh, and let's not forget Earley swore up and down that Flint's water was safe to drink while hooking up gov't officials and corporate friends with their own, private, sanitized supplies. Thesaurasaurus fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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Feb 2, 2016 23:38
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 (pretend the tears occasionaly drip lead lmao)
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Feb 2, 2016 23:40
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Thesaurasaurus posted:The people of Flint voted to change over to the Karegnondi pipeline when it, and the attendant treatment facilities, were finished. Then Earley decided to take them off Detroit's system 3+ years early, and to use poisonous river water instead, and to not spend a hundred bucks a day to treat it per del Toral's recommendation to prevent it from leaching lead from Flint's ancient-rear end plumbing. Because gently caress you, I guess. I know you're desperate to spin the narrative to fit your "grrr rethuglicans" beliefs but we all know none of this would have even been an issue if Snyder or Engler or even far back as President Reagan had stepped in and installed city managers in Flint and Detroit years ago. This is a homegrown problem due to a solution the people of Flint cooked up in reaction to the criminals that inhabit the city of Detroit. It's in the Bible. So as ye sew, so shall ye reap.
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Feb 3, 2016 00:36
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BigBoss posted:I know you're desperate to spin the narrative to fit your "grrr rethuglicans" beliefs but we all know none of this would have even been an issue if Snyder or Engler or even far back as President Reagan had stepped in and installed city managers in Flint and Detroit years ago. Radioactive necropolii tend not to suffer from quality-of-life concerns, true.
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Feb 3, 2016 00:46
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BigBoss posted:I know you're desperate to spin the narrative to fit your "grrr rethuglicans" beliefs but we all know none of this would have even been an issue if Snyder or Engler or even far back as President Reagan had stepped in and installed city managers in Flint and Detroit years ago. This is a homegrown problem due to a solution the people of Flint cooked up in reaction to the criminals that inhabit the city of Detroit. It's in the Bible. So as ye sew, so shall ye reap. is it the auto workers of Flint that signed free trade agreements that allowed their jobs to go to Mexico?
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Feb 3, 2016 01:12
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Rutibex posted:is it the auto workers of Flint that signed free trade agreements that allowed their jobs to go to Mexico? No that was Bill Clinton that signed NAFTA.
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Feb 3, 2016 01:15
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Darth123123 posted:Who the gently caress drinks tap water? Lol poors look at this goon that doesnt do dishes or bathe
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Feb 3, 2016 01:22
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GORDON posted:No that was Bill Clinton that signed NAFTA. Lol, they keep trying to spin the narrative but the truth will set them free. That's in the Bible too BTW. 
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Feb 3, 2016 01:23
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That dastard Bill Clinton, signing into effect a trade agreement so lovely that it retroactively caused the white flight of the 60s, the oil crisis of the 70s, and the loss of tens of thousands of auto industry jobs in the 80s. Not even time itself is safe from his wiles.
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Feb 3, 2016 01:32
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Rutibex posted:is it the auto workers of Flint that signed free trade agreements that allowed their jobs to go to Mexico? What kind of moron would buy an American-built car
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Feb 3, 2016 01:42
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So China gets the manufacturing jobs and Michigan gets the lead poisoning. Seems like a bad trade.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:24
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BigBoss posted:I know you're desperate to spin the narrative to fit your "grrr rethuglicans" beliefs but we all know none of this would have even been an issue if Snyder or Engler or even far back as President Reagan had stepped in and installed city managers in Flint and Detroit years ago. This is a homegrown problem due to a solution the people of Flint cooked up in reaction to the criminals that inhabit the city of Detroit. It's in the Bible. So as ye sew, so shall ye reap. Serious Post: Forget roads, public transportation, local bureaucracy, if conservatives have decided that the government on whatever level needing to be involved and at whatever cost to provide basic clean water and sanitation services in an established city is an absurd burden we are completely hosed. Nope, if you are connected to the public water and sewer system not getting actual poison from the tap and being able to flush your toilet is like the very basic reason we even have local government, otherwise we might as well live in the glorious libertarian utopia of Somalia.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:37
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BigBoss posted:You'd be wrong. It was the Flint city council who made the decision to switch off of Detroit water. The EFM was in place but did not participate in the decision. Please don't troll the Flint water crisis thread http://bridgemi.com/2016/01/who-approved-switch-to-flint-river-states-answers-draw-fouls/
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Feb 3, 2016 02:43
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I would be literally okay with executing the higher-ups here. Wouldn't bat an eye. No hell hot enough for them.That's my helpful contribution. We should erect a monument to their cowardice. Turn the names Earley and Snyder into bywords for malicious cowardice, as Quisling and Benedict Arnold had once been for treason. Not just a "hey, remember that lead water scandal" thing. Make it a forever thing.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:54
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Three Olives posted:Serious Post: Forget roads, public transportation, local bureaucracy, if conservatives have decided that the government on whatever level needing to be involved and at whatever cost to provide basic clean water and sanitation services in an established city is an absurd burden we are completely hosed. Serious post: You are hilariously disconnected from reality because your dad hid his shame atop a tower on the North Texas Plain. This is not, nor has it ever been a "Rethugligans, grrrr!" issue. It was created by the people of Flint and Detroit. They are not homogeneously Republican by any stretch. But years of fraud and prideful ignorance has further doomed the citizens of Flint.
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Feb 3, 2016 03:22
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BigBoss posted:This is not, nor has it ever been a "Rethugligans, grrrr!" issue. It was created by the people of Flint and Detroit. only if you follow the causation back to a superficial level. Flint and Detroit didn't choose to dismantle american manufacturing and make their cities irrelevant, neoliberal ideology did, you know the kind republicans love
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Feb 3, 2016 03:46
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Robo Reagan posted:look at this goon that doesnt do dishes or bathe Lol your right http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/11/doctors-worry-bathing-kids-flint-water/78657992/
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Feb 3, 2016 03:46
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Rutibex posted:only if you follow the causation back to a superficial level. Flint and Detroit didn't choose to dismantle american manufacturing and make their cities irrelevant, neoliberal ideology did, you know the kind republicans love Not really, we have empirical proof in the form of Kwame Kilpatrick sitting in a cell to back up the notion that the leadership was corrupt. Their illicit vacations and Escalades were paid for one glass of water at a time.
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Feb 3, 2016 03:57
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Did dd come here?
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Feb 3, 2016 03:59
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BigBoss posted:Not really, we have empirical proof in the form of Kwame Kilpatrick sitting in a cell to back up the notion that the leadership was corrupt. Their illicit vacations and Escalades were paid for one glass of water at a time. Fair enough point, Kwame was corrupt therefore brain damage children with lead poisoned water to pay for his sins and save a million dollars a year. I know it sounds reasonable but probably only because of the dose of lead you received as a child as well.
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Feb 3, 2016 04:09
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Flint folks should hire Mel Gibson to straddle Snyder and pour tainted water down his throat like in that milk scene from Edge of Darkness
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Feb 3, 2016 04:27
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carrion kit posted:Flint folks should hire Mel Gibson to straddle Snyder and pour tainted water down his throat like in that milk scene from Edge of Darkness I get it  because they're broke nice
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Feb 3, 2016 04:35
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BigBoss posted:I know you're desperate to spin the narrative to fit your "grrr rethuglicans" beliefs but we all know none of this would have even been an issue if Snyder or Engler or even far back as President Reagan had stepped in and installed city managers in Flint and Detroit years ago. This is a homegrown problem due to a solution the people of Flint cooked up in reaction to the criminals that inhabit the city of Detroit. It's in the Bible. So as ye sew, so shall ye reap. The blame for this problem begins and ends with the person responsible for changing over the water supply, regardless of their political affiliation. I was under the impression that it was the EFM and all sources I can find back that up. I don't know why you're trying to obfuscate the issue.
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Feb 3, 2016 04:41
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TheWeepingHorse posted:I would be literally okay with executing the higher-ups here. Wouldn't bat an eye. No hell hot enough for them.That's my helpful contribution. nice impotent rage too bad youre not going to channel it in to anything productive
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Feb 3, 2016 04:46
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Source 1 Source 2 Source 3 Source 4 Source 5 Source 6 Source 7 Source 8 Source 9 Source 10 Putting it together: Sara Wurfel, Snyder’s spokeswoman on DWSD: quote:“The Detroit Water and Sewer Department at the time, back last spring, said, ‘Hey, we’re gonna cut you off.’” quote:Gentlemen,The cliffnotes version: Proposal offers a today rate of water for Flint/Genesee of $10.46 as compared to $20.00 paid currently per Mcf - 48% less that could be realized nearly immediately and even more when compared to the increases coming from KWA. Snyder's State of the State address: quote:“First, the crisis began in spring 2013, when the Flint City Council voted 7-1 to buy water from Karegondi Water Authority [to be supplied by Lake Huron]. Former Flint Mayor Walling supported the move, and the Emergency Manager approved the plan. DWSD provided notice of termination to be effective one year later and, on April 25, 2014, Flint began using water from the Flint River as its interim source.” quote:At the 2:25:00 mark, the resolution is taken up again. It is modified to purchasing 15 MGD to purchasing 16 MGD from the KWA with 2 MGD to be taken from the Flint River if needed to meet the DEQ’s estimated upper usage level of 18 MGD. In other words, the upper limit would be using 11.1% Flint River water blended with 88.9% KWA water sourced from Lake Huron. Flint June 2013 operating plan: quote:Karegnondi Water Authority (KWA) The City Council, s well as EM Kurtz, has adopted resolutions to enter into a contract with KWA water authority to partner with Genesee County, City of Lapeer, Lapeer County and Sanilac County in the construction of a pipeline to deliver raw water to the City of Flint. This decision followed many months of analysis by the City of Flint, the Genesee County Drain Commissioner’s office, the State Treasurer and ultimately, Governor Snyder. This conclusion to join KWA is momentous for the City and the entire region. The City looks forward to a safe, reliable water supply through which water costs can be stabilized for the KWA participants. July 2013: quote:"Once they got the termination letter, they started looking at the Flint River," said Third Ward Flint City Councilman Bryant Nolden. "That's all that I was asking. We get the information at the last minute and are asked to make decisions -- I'm not going to be a party to that." Darnell Earley to DWSD, March 2014: quote:“Thank you for the correspondence [...] which provides Flint with the option of continuing to purchase water from DWSD… The City of Flint has actively pursued using the Flint River as a temporary water source… There will be no need for Flint to continue purchasing water to serve its residents and businesses after April 17, 2014.” The Procrastinator's Approach, April 2014: quote:"They've got a series of construction permits" that were issued Wednesday, April 10, said Brad Wurfel, a spokesman for the state Department of Environmental Quality. "They are racing to get all this work done." The switch, April 2014: quote:Flint will use the river until the KWA builds its pipeline to Genesee County. The $274 million project is expected to be complete sometime in 2016. May, 2014: quote:Michael Prysby, an engineer with the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, said an initial report, reflecting the first five days after the city began using the river for its water supply, shows turbidity, residual chlorine and bacteria levels meet all standards set by the state.  Beginning report of issues: quote:The City of Flint began using the Flint River as a water source in May of 2014. Flint is located roughly in the middle of the Flint River Watershed. The Flint River watershed includes Holloway Reservoir, C.S. Mott Lake, Kearsley Lake, and numerous streams and creeks that drain to these lakes or directly into the Flint River. The Michigan Department of Environmental Quality in partnership with the U.S. Geological Survey, and the City of Flint Utilities Department conducted a source water assessment in February 2004 to determine the susceptibility of potential contamination. The susceptibility rating is a seven-tiered scale ranging from “very low” to “very high” based primarily on geologic sensitivity, water chemistry, and contaminant sources. The Flint River source water intake is categorized as having a very high susceptibility to potential contaminant sources. June 2014; a quick deterioration: quote:Earley said that during the first full month of treating river water, Flint met all state requirements for water quality and safety, but said he expects there will be complaints. I can't find an exact culprit behind who up and decided to use the Flint River only. I suspect it's buried in emails at a higher level, if it wasn't Emergency Manager Earley. e: The State itself had to ratify Flint's plans, ultimately. Regardless of who came up with them, those fucks let it happen. Evil_Greven fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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I'm trying to find the source but I also read at some point when the poo poo really hit the Edit: From the lawsuit being brought against the state: http://pittlawpc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Flint-Water-Crisis-Complaint-Filed-Jan-15-2016-in-MIch.-Court-of-Claims.pdf Paragraphs 70-72 state that EM Earley left the position on January 13 and was replaced by Jerry Ambrose. On January 29th the director of Detroit's water system offered to reconnect Flint without the $4 million reconnection fee, an offer that Jerry Ambrose rejected. However prior to his departure the city council was demanding that Earley switch them back to Detroit water and he also said nope. Fabulousity fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Feb 3, 2016 05:44
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Facebook says the EM is being hunted by the feds and Hillary is debating Sanders in Flint. I am politically erect.
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Feb 4, 2016 01:22
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how is that city manager poo poo even possible? seems hosed up "omg loving flint and detroit are in the red" well yeah they are post-apocalypse. is it really that big of a deal that they lose money?
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Feb 4, 2016 01:59
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Evil_Greven posted:$90/mo for loving water & sewer and that's for a single person. the average household water bill is like $150/month and last I heard they're still being billed at the same outrageous rate for their undrinkable, lead-filled, corrosive water.
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Griz posted:and that's for a single person. the average household water bill is like $150/month and last I heard they're still being billed at the same outrageous rate for their undrinkable, lead-filled, corrosive water. I'd start a private well drilling business
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City of Tampa posted:how is that city manager poo poo even possible? seems hosed up If they can't raise any money (because their credit is junk) they can't pay pensions for retired city employees, deliver utilities or basically do any other city things like trash collection and policing.
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Feb 4, 2016 02:29
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Darth123123 posted:I'd start a private well drilling business haha not in democrat land you wont
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BigBoss posted:I know you're desperate to spin the narrative to fit your "grrr rethuglicans" beliefs but we all know none of this would have even been an issue if Snyder or Engler or even far back as President Reagan had stepped in and installed city managers in Flint and Detroit years ago. This is a homegrown problem due to a solution the people of Flint cooked up in reaction to the criminals that inhabit the city of Detroit. It's in the Bible. So as ye sew, so shall ye reap. Guys who's dog is this and why is he making GBS threads all over the carpet.
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City of Tampa posted:how is that city manager poo poo even possible? seems hosed up the same way that the european central bank gets to send country managers to deadbeat euro countries, elections be damned
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Feb 4, 2016 15:40
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Lol at anyone who thinks this was anything other than a deliberate attempt to genocide African americans
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Constant Hamprince posted:If they can't raise any money (because their credit is junk) they can't pay pensions for retired city employees, deliver utilities or basically do any other city things like trash collection and policing. I thought that the feds give money to states that run in the red, like all of the southern states do maybe the federal government should install somebody to manage the state of Michigan
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