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OldTennisCourt posted:Unforgiven 1999 It isn't even the most monstrous act by the Big Boss Man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhSh35ryueA This was only two months later by the way. You just don't get heels like that anymore. What a man. CityMidnightJunky fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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Gavok posted:Yeah, back in the 2008 tournament they did this bit where the team Los Ice Creams didn't have a third partner so they kept picking names out of a hat. Names of people who obviously weren't going to be there (ie. "Ice Man" King Parson). After some "no shows," they mentioned Glacier, which seemed like a fakeout, but then he showed up after all in full armor. The crowd ate it up and it made sense that in the year after, there would be a Glacier-based team to follow on that. This is somehow made better by Snow being a "Only other workers have the right to judge each others' ringwork! gently caress dirtsheetz!" guy.
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 19:11 |
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Another match to consider would be the Hardcore Battle Royale at Mania 2000. The match itself is just dumb 24/7 Hardcore stuff. Nothing awful., the gimmick being whoever gets the final pin at the end of the time limit is the champ. What sets it apart is a botched finish, possibly one of the only major hosed up finishes in Mania history. Basically Hardcore pins Crash with seconds to go. What was meant to happen was time runs out JUST before the three count. The problem is the crowd is counting down and it looks like the ref hosed up the count with that and hits three, giving the title to Hardcore and loving up the correct finish. This is also the match where Hardcore calls Cole a little shithead in a post match interview, Cole mumbles a fearful response while JR calls Hardcore classless and apologizes. Hell Mania 2000's also has a poo poo match with Al Snow (this is looking like a pattern) and a pretty poo poo main event as well.
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 19:12 |
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OldTennisCourt posted:Another match to consider would be the Hardcore Battle Royale at Mania 2000. The match itself is just dumb 24/7 Hardcore stuff. Nothing awful., the gimmick being whoever gets the final pin at the end of the time limit is the champ. What sets it apart is a botched finish, possibly one of the only major hosed up finishes in Mania history. Basically Hardcore pins Crash with seconds to go. What was meant to happen was time runs out JUST before the three count. Wrestlemania 16 outside of 1 or 2 matches tops is a very long episode of Raw. Wrestling was still so hot that it didn't really matter what they booked.
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 19:18 |
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Using Al's criteria for a good match, he's never had a good match.
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 19:19 |
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Wrestlemania 16 outside of 1 or 2 matches tops is a very long episode of Raw. Wrestling was still so hot that it didn't really matter what they booked. I was teetering on calling it a garbage Mania overall, but the Benoit/Jericho/Angle match is really good and the ladder match is spectacular.
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 19:20 |
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OldTennisCourt posted:I was teetering on calling it a garbage Mania overall, but the Benoit/Jericho/Angle match is really good and the ladder match is spectacular. People call 2000 the best year of WWF TV but I don't think it has poo poo on 2001. That's a whole other discussion though.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:This is somehow made better by Snow being a "Only other workers have the right to judge each others' ringwork! gently caress dirtsheetz!" guy. Also his big thing about how wrestlers on the undercard shouldn't put on fantastic matches because the main event is what's supposed to get huge pops. So good going on that one, Al. mariooncrack posted:
Look at Glacier! Look at him give a drat! I really wish he was a good performer because he is so into it and seemed to really love wrestling in a promotion where fans actually celebrated his stupid gimmick.
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 20:06 |
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Gavok posted:Look at Glacier! Look at him give a drat! I really wish he was a good performer because he is so into it and seemed to really love wrestling in a promotion where fans actually celebrated his stupid gimmick. Live Audio Wrestling podcast Keep It 100 did an interview with Glacier on their first episode and it sounded like he genuinely gave a gently caress his whole WCW run too. He seemed really cool.
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 20:49 |
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OldTennisCourt posted:Another match to consider would be the Hardcore Battle Royale at Mania 2000. The match itself is just dumb 24/7 Hardcore stuff. Nothing awful., the gimmick being whoever gets the final pin at the end of the time limit is the champ. What sets it apart is a botched finish, possibly one of the only major hosed up finishes in Mania history. Basically Hardcore pins Crash with seconds to go. What was meant to happen was time runs out JUST before the three count. For the purposes of this thread, I don't think this match even comes close to being one of the worst matches.
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 20:52 |
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Any match that ends with the winner insulting Cole is good.
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 20:57 |
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mariooncrack posted:
God Al Snow sucks
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 21:03 |
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El Generico posted:Live Audio Wrestling podcast Keep It 100 did an interview with Glacier on their first episode and it sounded like he genuinely gave a gently caress his whole WCW run too. He seemed really cool. I got to talk to him during intermission at one of the shows and he really was a nice guy. He was telling me about how Norman Smiley is a great guy and way more hard-working and badass than people realize. But being that we were at a Chikara show and knowing what I now know, in retrospect, he was probably thinking of Sara Del Rey the whole time.
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 21:05 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=455JJ4CSjT8 To me this is in my top 5 Michael Cole moments because I hate him so much.
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 21:20 |
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=455JJ4CSjT8 It's the little "Well...I...ah....uhh..." from Cole that sells it.
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 21:22 |
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Gavok posted:Also his big thing about how wrestlers on the undercard shouldn't put on fantastic matches because the main event is what's supposed to get huge pops. So good going on that one, Al. I think what probably killed Glacier more than anything was Bischoff wanting a sweet karate mortal kombat guy and not realizing just how terrible that would work out in execution.
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 21:47 |
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Gavok posted:Yeah, back in the 2008 tournament they did this bit where the team Los Ice Creams didn't have a third partner so they kept picking names out of a hat. Names of people who obviously weren't going to be there (ie. "Ice Man" King Parson). After some "no shows," they mentioned Glacier, which seemed like a fakeout, but then he showed up after all in full armor. The crowd ate it up and it made sense that in the year after, there would be a Glacier-based team to follow on that. Glacier's surprise debut at King of Trios 2008 is what got me to buy my first CHIKARA DVD
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# ? Jan 26, 2016 23:58 |
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El Generico posted:He seemed really cool. That was his gimmick, yo Anyone knows if big dave ever rated this : https://youtu.be/P4zYfaTBLk0 Because holy poo poo it's terrible
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 00:45 |
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I actually think Glacier's an okay wrestler. No better than "okay" but far worse wrestlers than he have gotten far bigger pushes.
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 01:30 |
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Rodney the Piper posted:Hardy vs. Sting counts, it was a match.
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 01:41 |
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Yep. There's a whole bunch of matches that are godawful that Dave didn't even bother rating
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 01:55 |
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Basic Chunnel posted:Did Dave never rate it? It's the only explanation for why it's not on his list He gave it minus one star
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 02:03 |
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Presumably it was over quick enough that he only gave it the minus one
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 02:09 |
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The minus star system confuses and enrages me
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 03:46 |
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Dave used to be way more liberal with negative star ratings than he is today
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 03:57 |
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I think you were more likely to get an absolute garbage match on TV/PPV back then too. Was re-watching some Nitros and there was this insanely awful 15+ minute Public Enemy/Nastys match with absolutely no storytelling, botched spots all over the place, and an awful finish that Dave gave a -* to. That match was so much worse than any RAW match I've seen in like forever
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 04:06 |
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Goons were ironically liking NWA Mountain State for about a full year or so, and got one of their wrestlers to post on here. There were occasionally legit good matches in MSW, and I think the one iPPV type deal they had was legitimately worth the money. But the thing with MSW is that it was/is a lot of why we love wrestling with no pretense, and through a goofy-rear end, low budget, West Virginia lens.
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:51 |
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Alain Post posted:I think you were more likely to get an absolute garbage match on TV/PPV back then too. Was re-watching some Nitros and there was this insanely awful 15+ minute Public Enemy/Nastys match with absolutely no storytelling, botched spots all over the place, and an awful finish that Dave gave a -* to. That match was so much worse than any RAW match I've seen in like forever i loved those series of matches. we need more of those than alberto and sheamus wandering through rest holds
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 06:23 |
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that match was so loving boring, that was the worst part. It felt like 30 minutes. now a few months prior to that, there was a Nastys/Road Warriors/Steiners match which pretty much entirely consisted of everyone doing really sloppy, dangerous looking botches and it was loving awesome.
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 06:26 |
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I'll take Sheamus and Orton trading chinlocks for 15 minutes over whatever the gently caress Public Enemy and Nasty Boys were trying to do
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 06:35 |
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Benne posted:I'll take Sheamus and Orton trading chinlocks for 15 minutes over whatever the gently caress Public Enemy and Nasty Boys were trying to do kill each other. thats what they were trying to do. Nasty Boys won.
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 06:36 |
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Considering Rumble's, which one was the one that had an absurd amount of old guys and random rear end people showing up because the roster was hosed? I think it was 2012 because I recall seeing a clip where all three commentators went in as well as like 5 old guys and then Karma showed up for that match and then disappeared. Edit: That Rumble also gave us Sheamus going to Mania that year and beating Bryan in 18 seconds making the Rumble seem like an even bigger waste of time. OldTennisCourt fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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coconono posted:kill each other. thats what they were trying to do. Nasty Boys won.
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# ? Jan 27, 2016 17:41 |
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Rusty Shackelford posted:For the purposes of this thread, I don't think this match even comes close to being one of the worst matches. You are probably right, but I am halfway through watching WM2000 for the first time on the network and the battle royale is truly awful. You have spots taking place all over the place around the outside of the ring that no one except the people in good seats can see and the production truck can barely keep up with the action. The concept doesn't really work, even in kayfabe, as why would anyone want to win early put a bullseye on their back? Not the worst ever, but a bit of a train wreck.
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britishbornandbread posted:You are probably right, but I am halfway through watching WM2000 for the first time on the network and the battle royale is truly awful. You have spots taking place all over the place around the outside of the ring that no one except the people in good seats can see and the production truck can barely keep up with the action. The concept doesn't really work, even in kayfabe, as why would anyone want to win early put a bullseye on their back? The biggest issue for me in that Battle Royale was probably the realization that it was as far as Tazz was ever going to go on the card as an active wrestler. Sure he got the tag belts with Spike (what the gently caress?) but he never got the push he deserved to get. Mania 15 has a really really poo poo match as well: The infamous Taker and Boss Man Cell match that ends with Boss Man getting hung in the middle of the ring after a garbage match. It was heel vs heel too, a really tough dynamic to work with,
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# ? Feb 4, 2016 00:39 |
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So what's the deal with AL Snow? Didn't he used to be a competent if not exactly stellar wrestler? Did Mick Foley just completely destroy his soul by making him a punchline? He comes off like the most miserable gently caress in all of wrestling next to the honky tonk man now
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# ? Feb 4, 2016 01:56 |
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OldTennisCourt posted:Sure he got the tag belts with Spike (what the gently caress?)
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# ? Feb 4, 2016 01:57 |
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Aesop Poprock posted:So what's the deal with AL Snow? Didn't he used to be a competent if not exactly stellar wrestler? Did Mick Foley just completely destroy his soul by making him a punchline? He comes off like the most miserable gently caress in all of wrestling next to the honky tonk man now Al Snow always sucked IMO. I watched him/Gangrel at capital carnage 98 yesterday on the network and he made loving Gangrel look like the greatest worker ever. Al Snow was loving poo poo.
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# ? Feb 4, 2016 10:16 |
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Al Snow was supposedly good in SMW and IMO he wasn't bad in the Bodydonnas. But yeah he fell off a cliff after that.
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# ? Feb 4, 2016 10:18 |
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