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Alain Post posted:Al Snow was supposedly good in SMW and IMO he wasn't bad in the Bodydonnas. But yeah he fell off a cliff after that. Al Snow was in the Bodydonnas?
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The PWI magazines used to hype the hell out of Snow in the mid-90s. I'm not sure if he was an Internet darling at that point. The fist time I saw him wrestle was against Skip at a Superstars taping. It was a pretty good match, but I don't believe it ever aired on TV. He was doing the Avatar gimmick at that point. I marked out for him because I recognized him from my magazines. Later that week, I saw his Raw debut against some jobber. It's a terrible squash, and it had tons of blown spots. I thought he was okay in the Leif Cassidy gimmick, but he was mostly doing tags at that point so his weaknesses weren't exposed. I've never been too impressed with him as a worker since then. His offense is really sloppy, and his selling isn't all that great. He had a decent hardcore match with the Road Dogg once, but I can't think of anything else he did that was too great. He really overachieved in the long run.
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The Goog posted:Al Snow was in the Bodydonnas? Oh goddamnnit I'm mixing him up with Candido
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Snow was Leif Cassidy in the 'New Rockers' with Jannetty. I think they had a few matches with the BodyDonnas at least.
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If you're going to poo poo on Al Snow, at least poo poo on Al Snow's worst ideas. Like Too Cool vs. Al Snow & Head. How do you pin Head if Head has no shoulders? This is how.
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I remember liking Headcheese but I liked everything when I first started watching wrestling. My go to finisher for CAWs in the first two smackdown games was the Snowplow cause I thought it was rad. I guess those are my most positive memories of Al Snow looking back
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Feb 4, 2016 16:23
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Al Snow had a really good match with Chris Benoit in ECW: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xor82c_chris-benoit-vs-al-snow_sport
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britishbornandbread posted:You are probably right, but I am halfway through watching WM2000 for the first time on the network and the battle royale is truly awful. You have spots taking place all over the place around the outside of the ring that no one except the people in good seats can see and the production truck can barely keep up with the action. The concept doesn't really work, even in kayfabe, as why would anyone want to win early put a bullseye on their back? Not to mention at the end of the match while everybody should by trying like hell to pin the champion all of the jobbers are just on the outside of the ring beating the poo poo out of each other.
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Feb 4, 2016 17:59
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OldTennisCourt posted:but he never got the push he deserved to get. what kind of push did taz deserve
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:what kind of push did taz deserve something that wasn't fighting Jerry Lawler and getting his rear end kicked all the time
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Feb 4, 2016 21:02
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Al Snow had the rep of being the "best Wrestler you've never seen" for about decade. Why he is the way he is now is that he felt he wasted a lot of time being an indie darling rather than becoming the character Wrestler he eventually became.
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EugeneJ posted:Al Snow had a really good match with Chris Benoit in ECW: I haven't watched this match in years but I thought this was disappointing. Maybe it's worth a rewatch? Al Snow may not be good in the ring but I really enjoyed all of the Al Snow jokes in Foley's books.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:The PWI magazines used to hype the hell out of Snow in the mid-90s. This would normally be a sign that a guy got on with or was friends with Apter, with Snow not so much. Snow is and always has been a colossal dickhead, and used to bully the poo poo out of Apter. The feeling always was that Apter wanted to be liked by the boys (as opposed to Meltzer who couldn't have given less of a gently caress in most cases) and so the more stick that Snow gave him the more he tried to showcase him. The thing is with Snow, it was never his fault, it was always someone elses that he didn't get over or didn't have the career he thought he should have. He is the main that self awareness forgot.
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mariooncrack posted:I haven't watched this match in years but I thought this was disappointing. Maybe it's worth a rewatch? It's good but not great. Although I love Benoit poo poo-talking the U.S when he's working over Snow, "Is this the best the United States has to offer?!?!?"
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Al Snow is the Ed Leslie to Mick Foley's Hulk Hogan.
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Skinty McEdger posted:This would normally be a sign that a guy got on with or was friends with Apter, with Snow not so much. Snow is and always has been a colossal dickhead, and used to bully the poo poo out of Apter. The feeling always was that Apter wanted to be liked by the boys (as opposed to Meltzer who couldn't have given less of a gently caress in most cases) and so the more stick that Snow gave him the more he tried to showcase him. Not disputing anything else in this post, just wanted to say that before Snow debuted with WWF, Meltzer spoke highly of his talents and featured regular reports of Snow having matches in the *** or **** range. Few, if none, of those ratings were Dave's pure grade snowflakes though.
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Well, obviously Snow either got injured or decided he was done busting his rear end.
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OldTennisCourt posted:something that wasn't fighting Jerry Lawler and getting his rear end kicked all the time You are right, Lawler deserved better. Tazz should have just been a jobber.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Al Snow is the Ed Leslie to Mick Foley's Hulk Hogan. Lol at the idea that Mick Foley would ever put in effort to support Al loving Snow. When Mick Foley, the nicest man in wrestling, bullies and humiliates you completely for years in print and on air there's probably something you did to deserve it, regardless of how Foley sugarcoats it
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Aesop Poprock posted:Lol at the idea that Mick Foley would ever put in effort to support Al loving Snow. When Mick Foley, the nicest man in wrestling, bullies and humiliates you completely for years in print and on air there's probably something you did to deserve it, regardless of how Foley sugarcoats it
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Benne posted:Just to go into more detail here:
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RealFoxy posted:They're friends you dope. I sincerely doubt they've even talked once the past 15 years unless it was business related. They were wrestling "friends" and Foley talked about their huge falling out after all the Snow mocking in the first book in his second book, which I'm sure went over just as smoothly since it made Al look like a huge sensitive weiner
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Halloween Jack posted:You forgot to mention the part where one of the Psychos goes to pin Villano III (I think?), he doesn't try to kick out, and so he just releases the pin, because he legit didn't want to pin the venerable Villano III in his last match ever. I don't think this was the only time when these supposedly evil heels just didn't go for a move or let the Villanos out of something. They didn't need Striker's help exposing the business, that's for sure. The psycho circus are beloved tecnicos in AAA
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Aesop Poprock posted:I sincerely doubt they've even talked once the past 15 years unless it was business related. They were wrestling "friends" and Foley talked about their huge falling out after all the Snow mocking in the first book in his second book, which I'm sure went over just as smoothly since it made Al look like a huge sensitive weiner
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I thought Al Snow was funny as a child but now as an adult I realize how disturbing it was that he'd carry around a severed woman's head and say, "what does everybody love?" With the crowd yelling, "head!" It's necrophilic, objectifying, and deeply misogynistic all at the same time.
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Strawberry Panda posted:It's necrophilic, objectifying, and deeply misogynistic all at the same time. same
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Rhino vs AJ Styles in a Elevation X match https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C652x7YmKB4 Rhino. AJ Styles. In a scaffold match where the scaffold appears to be on the brink of falling apart. Both wrestlers spend twelve minutes trying not to die.
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I don't think I've ever seen a scaffold match that wasn't loving unwatchable. Why didn't that gimmick die after the first time they tried it?
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The electric cage match deserves special mention as well, that poo poo was hokey by 80's standards.Benne posted:I don't think I've ever seen a scaffold match that wasn't loving unwatchable. Why didn't that gimmick die after the first time they tried it? It's probably because it has a mystique of "oh poo poo this is dangerous and cool!" over it despite it being dogshit.
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Benne posted:I don't think I've ever seen a scaffold match that wasn't loving unwatchable. Why didn't that gimmick die after the first time they tried it? People like watching crazy/stupid bumps. The majority of modern ladder matches are just an evolution of the scaffold match, except reversed. You take a bunch of stupid bumps to build to something that isn't a stupid bump, whereas a scaffold match is a bunch of build to a stupid bump.
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Benne posted:I don't think I've ever seen a scaffold match that wasn't loving unwatchable. Why didn't that gimmick die after the first time they tried it? It drew a couple times in the 70s so it had the allure of success.
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Okay here's one, what's the worst Rumble? I mentioned before 2012 where the roster was super thin, but would 2014 be a contender?
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FunMerrania posted:Rhino vs AJ Styles in a Elevation X match It's especially stupid because they came up with a genuinely good original gimmick match in Ultimate X and decided against using it so they could build a lovely scaffold.
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RealFoxy posted:theres pictures of them recently at Disney world what the gently caress are you smoking I guess my fantasy booking of how mick foley should treat al snow never really played out
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OldTennisCourt posted:Okay here's one, what's the worst Rumble? I mentioned before 2012 where the roster was super thin, but would 2014 be a contender? 99 was pretty terrible.
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OldTennisCourt posted:Okay here's one, what's the worst Rumble? I mentioned before 2012 where the roster was super thin, but would 2014 be a contender? I don't think so. 95, 99, and 06 to me are the three worst. 1999 is worst because of Russoriffic bullshit. The Rumble itself is mere window dressing to Austin and McMahon brawling. 1995 is terrible because everyone gets in the ring too quickly and fills it up, leading to log jams and a 30 minute match. 2006 is bad because it's the first year Pat Patterson didn't book it in addition to having tiny, petty little politics. The pacing is horrible and you have Rey Mysterio go bell to bell...only it for some reason doesn't really count as such because HHH was #1.
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The first two Rumbles (the 20-man and the first PPV) aren't bad, just clearly the WWF trying to work out a new concept. 89 in particular dies a quick death once Hogan is eliminated.
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Benne posted:I don't think I've ever seen a scaffold match that wasn't loving unwatchable. Why didn't that gimmick die after the first time they tried it? there's basically only one good scaffold match http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3lial_tommy-dreamer-vs-brian-lee-scaffold_news
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ayn rand hand job posted:there's basically only one good scaffold match IT'S HIIIIGH INCIDENT!!!
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The mention of Rhyno reminds me of a match I never saw, but read about. It was a house show where they had Rhyno vs. Tajiri from the end points of their WWE runs when neither seemed to give much of a poo poo anymore. The match was so bad and dull that Vince himself walked out and told them to stop and go to the back.
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