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julian assflange posted:Some of the leaflets coming in the door are awful I mean how was that the best photo of you considering its plastered everywhere I your district ? Speaking of leaflets... 
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You may find some fun stuff here:http://irishelectionliterature.com/2014/05/22/canvass-card-from-cormac-manning-green-party-ballincollig-carrigaline-2014-local-elections/
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kustomkarkommando posted:David Cullinane of SF got completely surrounded on The Week In Politics there. Rapid fire references to Slab Murphy, Maria Cahill, Jerry McCabe and Paul Quinn - a lot of push by Labour and FF to focus on the SF policy of abolishing non-jury Special Criminal Courts what with the madness at the weekend. This is probably only going to intensify over the next couple of days as the Murphy sentencing looms. There are gonna be huge attacks on SF in general, none of the establishment want them to do as well as they are looking to become, I mean the idea of SF being either in government or the de facto opposition is terrifying to the old guard. kustomkarkommando posted:Speaking of leaflets... Oh gently caress off Mary Lou. This thread needs all the leaflets.
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I hate to be that guy but I cannot support anyone but SF or AAA this election. Labour are as good as dead, FG and FF are bastards. I'll lay my bias out front: Gerry Adams is my TD and when it comes to grassroots stuff he is involved in the community.
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Feb 8, 2016 01:58
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All I have to go on is his twitter and his media appearances but Gerry Adams seems like a genuinely decent guy, I'd vote for him if I lived in his constituency.
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Coohoolin posted:All I have to go on is his twitter and his media appearances but Gerry Adams seems like a genuinely decent guy, I'd vote for him if I lived in his constituency. I personally have never met him but he's the only politician before the Marriage Ref to be involved in the local LGBT group and that goes a long way with me. I have personally met some other TDs and MEPs who come in to "get perspective" and none of them apart from Gerry have been educated on LGBT issues so they basically come and have us explain to them what a gay person actually is. Of course when the Marriage Ref hit they were all nice and smiles and interested of course. EDIT: As good as I find him he is still my second choice behind AAA. EDIT2: My posts about who I vote for are worthless because I'm living abroad until May and can't vote. I was home at Christmas and there is no chance of me having the money to get home to vote. Skull Servant fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Feb 8, 2016 |
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Coohoolin posted:All I have to go on is his twitter and his media appearances but Gerry Adams seems like a genuinely decent guy, I'd vote for him if I lived in his constituency. My issue with Gerry is his repeated lies, not just about his IRA membership which is just ridiculous at this point as all the others have admitted it and its largely just accepted these days. Then there's the sexual harassment and abuse within the PIRA that numerous people have pointed Gerry Adams to being involved in these claims being ignored by the PIRA hierarchy, Gerry claims to have no memory of these events. He also cant remember anything his brother did with regards to the allegations against him, though I dont remember the exact details of these. Gerry Adams is either a deceitful scumbag or the most forgetful man in history.
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Coohoolin posted:All I have to go on is his twitter and his media appearances but Gerry Adams seems like a genuinely decent guy, I'd vote for him if I lived in his constituency. His twitter feed's pretty amusing, but you're making a mistake if you think the twee image he's cultivating with it isn't calculated. StoneOfShame posted:My issue with Gerry is his repeated lies, not just about his IRA membership which is just ridiculous at this point as all the others have admitted it and its largely just accepted these days. To be fair, Marty would've probably taken the same approach if he hadn't made the mistake of announcing he was the commander of PIRA in Derry on national television. Bryter fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Feb 8, 2016 |
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Feb 8, 2016 03:23
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Bryter posted:To be fair, Marty would've probably taken the same approach if he hadn't made the mistake of announcing he was the commander of PIRA in Derry on national television. Norn Iron politics.txt
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Cabinet posted:I hate to be that guy but I cannot support anyone but SF or AAA this election. Labour are as good as dead, FG and FF are bastards. I like Paul Murphy and I would love to see socialist parties with more power in the Dail. They sorely lack electable politicians though, in my mind. Unfortunately with our massive independent divide, left wing parties will never hold power.
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I'm not trying to bait you or anything but what is it that you like about Murphy? I'm just back in Ireland after a lengthy spell abroad and the whole focus on the water protests by the socialist parties has really soured me to them given the other economic debacles going on at the time.
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Feb 8, 2016 13:08
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Why? The water charges are universally disliked by the people. It's a great way to get people to pay attention to their message.
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Feb 8, 2016 16:33
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Cabinet posted:Why? The water charges are universally disliked by the people. It's a great way to get people to pay attention to their message. Like I said, water charges are largely inconsequential when taken in the context of them bolloxing up the economy, bailing out the banks etc etc etc. I see it largely as a distraction that panders to a lowest common denominator with no real consequence whether it's removed or not.
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Feb 8, 2016 17:07
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lemonadesweetheart posted:Like I said, water charges are largely inconsequential when taken in the context of them bolloxing up the economy, bailing out the banks etc etc etc. I see it largely as a distraction that panders to a lowest common denominator with no real consequence whether it's removed or not. I do agree that the left could be pushing harder on other issues. I also believe that it is a teflon talking point though. The other parties and the media can and will hit them for fiscal irresponsibility if they point out the more shaky notes of the banks, ect. People don't like the bailouts but it is easier for FF/FG to say "We had to otherwise X, Y. and Z" The water charges hit people everywhere and it becomes a very personal issue. These excuses don't work as well then. It also helps that the rollout of Irish Water has been awful.
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Feb 8, 2016 17:15
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Water charges have been a monumental gently caress up but I do think AAA have put too many of their eggs in that basket, hoping to scoop up default protest votes related to the water charges - the problem with that being that a hell of a lot of independents are running on the same platform and I think the Socialists have kind of lagged behind the other parties getting their message out on USC/Property tax.
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Feb 8, 2016 18:06
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The continuity IRA have claimed responsibility for the shooting at the regency over the weekend. Seems a bit out of left field that. Now Enda is "just asking questions" about whether SF knows anything about the guns used. Some dirty pool that
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Feb 8, 2016 18:44
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kustomkarkommando posted:Water charges have been a monumental gently caress up but I do think AAA have put too many of their eggs in that basket, hoping to scoop up default protest votes related to the water charges - the problem with that being that a hell of a lot of independents are running on the same platform and I think the Socialists have kind of lagged behind the other parties getting their message out on USC/Property tax. This is a fair point and I agree with it. Things have been a little too quiet on those fronts but I understand why they may choose to be quiet.
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Feb 8, 2016 19:31
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kustomkarkommando posted:The continuity IRA have claimed responsibility for the shooting at the regency over the weekend. Seems a bit out of left field that.  that's just bizarre. My money was on some members of the travelling community as it was a boxing event but I'd never have though the IRA.
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Feb 8, 2016 20:51
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julian assflange posted:
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Feb 8, 2016 21:23
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Cabinet posted:Could be a false flag to draw attention to themselves tbh. Aye, I think there's more than a touch of scepticism that the targeted shooting of a member of a cartel engaged in a violent feud with Dublin gangs who was only in the country for the weigh in was the work of the Continuity IRA. I haven't seen anyone outright call them liars but the reaction from the guards seems to be "don't think so"
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I agree, but only because the Green Party was so apt.
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Cabinet posted:I hate to be that guy but I cannot support anyone but SF or AAA this election. Labour are as good as dead, FG and FF are bastards. That has been what's impressed me about Sinn Fein politicians. I never really noticed before the Great Recession because there probably wasn't as much necessity to go to your T.D. or councillor for help. But I've seen that when people need help the best ones to go to are them. They seem to put in the work helping their constituents and seem more involved within the community.
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Just in case you thought the election was boring Dublin seems to have decided to have itself a good old fashioned gang war! Law and Order might drown out all the economic stuff in the next few days. The Greens are also pushing ahead with their challenge to RTE to try to get included in the leaders debate. God love em.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:I'm not trying to bait you or anything but what is it that you like about Murphy? There's nothing that I know that I disagree with him on; 8th amendment, austerity, income inequality, housing/rent, zero-hour contracts. He seems quite intelligent and he presents himself well in the Dail. Austerity didn't kill us like it did to Portugal, Spain and Greece so I can't blame the left here for leaning so heavily on water charges.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:So do ye think that the killing last night means that the claim the previous one was CIRA was bogus or not? Probably, the fact a senior gangland figure was targeted for retaliation makes the feud angle all the crime reporters have been covering much more likely. Looks like the CIRA wanted to act a bit tough. RTE have updated there poll of polls as well and are putting the coalition at a projected 70 seats, just 10 shy of a majority which could yet be reachable with a deal with one of the minors and a few confidence agreements with a couple of independents. https://www.rte.ie/news/election-2016/longform/2016/0208/766452-poll-of-polls-8-february/ I still think Renua may have the best chance to be a junior partner, thier red lines are tougher sentencing laws (hardly a big sell considering the current news) and a commission to investigate a flat tax (which may tickle FGs fancy). Labour could block it though. kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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I hope Renua don't get any seats and piss off. Stupidest poo poo to come out of Irish politics in a long time.
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Marenghi posted:That has been what's impressed me about Sinn Fein politicians. I never really noticed before the Great Recession because there probably wasn't as much necessity to go to your T.D. or councillor for help. But I've seen that when people need help the best ones to go to are them. They seem to put in the work helping their constituents and seem more involved within the community. This sort of comes from their history as a grass roots, community party, hell they were the political wing of the Provos who effectively ran their communities as a 'police' and 'militia' a lot of Sinn Fein's behaviour has its roots in interacting between the community as a whole and the Provos. Interestingly as well in the North the DUP are also very effective community representatives.
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kustomkarkommando posted:Speaking of leaflets... Booby Sands sounds like the name of a character in a very odd porn parody of the events of the Troubles. I guess with this particular casting they're going for some sort of role reversal where Sands can't stop eating.
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Feb 9, 2016 20:23
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Good Fuckday agreement
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Cabinet posted:I hope Renua don't get any seats and piss off. Stupidest poo poo to come out of Irish politics in a long time. Guess who's got a new ad out about a certain Mr Lowry https://vimeo.com/154588024 Countdown until himself tries to get it taken down
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Cabinet posted:Good Fuckday agreement Sunday Creampie Sunday
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Feb 9, 2016 21:29
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Brian Fuckner and Gerry Fist put everything on the table at Bummingdale
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Cabinet posted:I hope Renua don't get any seats and piss off. Stupidest poo poo to come out of Irish politics in a long time. They seem pretty tame compared to fringe right parties in the rest of Europe and they don't seem to be advocating a night-watchman state yet.
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Bedshaped posted:They seem pretty tame compared to fringe right parties in the rest of Europe and they don't seem to be advocating a night-watchman state yet. They lost me at flat tax.
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Renua's manifesto does have some right-wing peaches in there beside the flat tax proposal and sentencing laws which have got the most attention. I mean there are some perfectly grand things in there and then you stumble on something that just makes you shake your head a bit. Examples:
Also, we should all be growing beets and breeding horses Edit: Oh and I forgot this paragraph which just confuses me: quote:The creation of an exceptional power to delay legislation from being passed in the face of significant principled opposition. This power will require the support of the majority of parties / technical groupings in Dáil Eireann, and there will be limits on how frequently it is used. kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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I read through the whole Renua manifesto and there are so many inconsistencies in it. Their idea for reform in how local governments work is wild.
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Renua are loving insane. I also don't understand that last quote from the manifesto, the circumstances it describes strikes as basically being a majority opposition to legislation so it wouldn't pass anyway, unless it means a weird set of circumstances when there's only just a majority support for legislation and the opposition does come from every party but how often would that happen to warrant legislation. Also what do they mean by principled opposition, I assume they mean religious and this is actually an attempt to prevent any hypothetical vote on abortion passing in the future.
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