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In some slightly depressing Nordie news there has been some news on the upcoming vote on an amendment to the Justice Bill scheduled for tomorrow that would allow for abortion in cases of "fatal foetal abnormality" - a hot button issue both sides of the border. After some hope that the SDLP would alter their long-standing opposition to reforming the abortion laws following the election of their new leader Colum Eastwood, who has sought to strengthen the SDLP's left wing and progressive credential for the upcoming assembly election in May, they've released a disheartening statment indicting that there is no change in their stance: Via Slugger posted:The SDLP is a pro-life party and we do not support the extension of the 1967 Act to Northern Ireland. We will be voting against these amendments. With South Belfast an open race in May (none of the candidates who stood in the last election in 2011 are seeking re-election) this may hurt them and benefit Alliance - though their eyes may be on shoring up their traditional middle-class vote base in Derry (Eastwood's constituency)where Martin McGuinness has decided to run this year, aiming to propel SF to one of their long-running goals of eclipsing the SDLP as the largest party in the city. I know people said no Northern Stuff but I am annoyed so there kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Feb 10, 2016 15:12
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Only one person said no northern stuff and this is your thread so gently caress it.
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Feb 10, 2016 15:46
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kustomkarkommando posted:In some slightly depressing Nordie news there has been some news on the upcoming vote on an amendment to the Justice Bill scheduled for tomorrow that would allow for abortion in cases of "fatal foetal abnormality" - a hot button issue both sides of the border. Have there been any more murmurings like those that appeared after Corbyn was made Labour leader from leftists in the North wanting Labour to run candidates and end their agreement with the SDLP?
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Feb 10, 2016 16:34
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StoneOfShame posted:Have there been any more murmurings like those that appeared after Corbyn was made Labour leader from leftists in the North wanting Labour to run candidates and end their agreement with the SDLP? Well the Labour Party in Northern Ireland, the local branch of UK Labour, passed a motion to begin vetting candidates with the intention to field names for the assembly election - this seems to have been more of a pressure tactic though to try to get the NEC to review the no candidates policy (something they do do during the life time of every parliament I think). Nothing much has come of that and the Labour Irish Society is strongly against a move to field candidates. There was a similar motion passed at the Irish Labour conference last year where delegates backed creating a new joint Labour party in Northern Ireland with UK Labour - but that didn't go anywhere and Irish Labour aren't exactly in a position to consider expanding. The only party that's going to start organising here soon is Fianna Fail who where aiming to start things up next year (I think) but are moving things up and will have a presence in the North during the EU referendum campaigning - or so they've said
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Feb 10, 2016 18:01
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kustomkarkommando posted:Well the Labour Party in Northern Ireland, the local branch of UK Labour, passed a motion to begin vetting candidates with the intention to field names for the assembly election - this seems to have been more of a pressure tactic though to try to get the NEC to review the no candidates policy (something they do do during the life time of every parliament I think). Nothing much has come of that and the Labour Irish Society is strongly against a move to field candidates. I cant see where Fianna Fail pull votes from in the North, I mean the obvious base would be Sinn Fein voters but their voter base is so established, so do they try and be slightly less extreme Sinn Fein and play up IRA links or comedy option go nuts and reach out to dissident supporters?
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Feb 10, 2016 18:37
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Who do right-wing republicans in Northern Ireland vote for? Do those voters even exist?
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Feb 10, 2016 18:41
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Badger of Basra posted:Who do right-wing republicans in Northern Ireland vote for? Do those voters even exist? I've known a couple. Much like left wing unionists, they are poo poo out of luck.
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Feb 10, 2016 18:45
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Badger of Basra posted:Who do right-wing republicans in Northern Ireland vote for? Do those voters even exist? DUP/UUP for full accelerationism?
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Feb 10, 2016 18:47
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Badger of Basra posted:Who do right-wing republicans in Northern Ireland vote for? Do those voters even exist? SDLP would traditionally get the votes of the more affluent nationalist voters but they would probably be socially quite liberal. The votes basically dont exist remember the 'struggle' for want if a better word, is originally a class struggle that became co-opted by Republicans and Loyalists so as a result Republicanism is very much concentrated in heavily working class areas. Cabinet posted:DUP/UUP for full accelerationism? If you want full-accelerationism, then the DUP/UUP are far too moderate for you, you need the one true unionist party, the TUV. StoneOfShame fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Feb 10, 2016 18:48
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StoneOfShame posted:I cant see where Fianna Fail pull votes from in the North, I mean the obvious base would be Sinn Fein voters but their voter base is so established, so do they try and be slightly less extreme Sinn Fein and play up IRA links or comedy option go nuts and reach out to dissident supporters? The SDLP and Fianna Fail very almost merged back in 2007-8, it was considered a sure thing until the economic crisis and it was only when Margret Ritchie won the leadership (in a hard fought battle) that it was definitively ruled out - the majority of party delegates supported it at one stage. FF do have an active presence at the youth level, the Queens youth branch is rather vocal. I actually know one or two people who were involved in FF pre-collapse as part of the youth wing who now do back room things for the SDLP. Another reason why more Labour inclined voices have grown sceptical of the SDLP. Though the newest generation of SDLP politicos who've come up through their youth wing are considered more progressive than the old guard
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Feb 10, 2016 18:59
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StoneOfShame posted:If you want full-accelerationism, then the DUP/UUP are far too moderate for you, you need the one true unionist party, the TUV. I didn't know about them before and 
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Feb 10, 2016 19:05
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Bryter posted:I've known a couple. Much like left wing unionists, they are poo poo out of luck. Wasn't there a (somewhat) left-wing unionist party in the PUP? Or have they completely fallen off the radar?
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Feb 10, 2016 19:30
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Troy Queef posted:Wasn't there a (somewhat) left-wing unionist party in the PUP? Or have they completely fallen off the radar? Down to a handful of councillors now, the 2010 decision to retain links with the UVF after they where implicated in a murder didn't help them - their leader at the time Dawn Purvis resigned in protest (and incidentally is now director of the Marie Stopes centre in Belfast which drove the DUP and many other parties up the wall). They are mostly reduced to wards with a strong working class loyalist presence (east Belfast, the Crumlin Road, Torrens) and mix general loyalist ideas with left wing stuff - so you get things like an openly gay councillor married to her partner calling for gay marriage who is pro-choice supporting the Orange Order and taking part in the Fleg Protests.
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Feb 10, 2016 19:46
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NI21 are vaguely left-liberal/"progressive", but they're even more of a nonentity than the PUP.
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Feb 10, 2016 21:47
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Millward Brown has a poll out putting Joan at only 10% on first preferences in Dublin-West, trailing behind FF's Jack Chambers at 17% and Ruth Coppinger of AAA/the Socialists at 15%, meaning she may struggle to win back her seat - if she makes it will be on transfers from Leo. https://www.newstalk.com/election2016/RealityCheck:-Could-Joan-Burton-lose-her-seat Chambers winning back the seat lost after the by election follow Brian Lenihan's death would be a victory for the party and finally get them a Dublin TD following the 2011 wipeout. If Joan bites it I wonder who would replace her as leader - Alan Kelly used to be favourite but somehow I don't think he'd win a contest following the last few weeks. Also, leader debate tonight on TV3 people
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Feb 11, 2016 15:01
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Anywhere non-IE people can stream the debate? I'm mildly curious. Gerry Adams gonna be there?
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Feb 11, 2016 15:31
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Can someone who isn't a TD be Taoiseach? I'm guessing not
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Feb 11, 2016 15:54
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julian assflange posted:Can someone who isn't a TD be Taoiseach? I'm guessing not No Coohoolin posted:Anywhere non-IE people can stream the debate? I'm mildly curious. Gerry Adams gonna be there? http://www.tv3.ie/3player/live/tv3/ might work
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Feb 11, 2016 16:02
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I can't watch Red Rock! Such a shame. I actually had a midnight jam session with Darragh O'Toole in the park in Galway while he was waiting for his bus back to Dublin. Motherfucker can freestyle like it's nothing. I'll try again at 8, see if the debate isn't restricted.
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Feb 11, 2016 16:04
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Coohoolin posted:I can't watch Red Rock! Such a shame. I actually had a midnight jam session with Darragh O'Toole in the park in Galway while he was waiting for his bus back to Dublin. Motherfucker can freestyle like it's nothing. VPN might work. These regional restrictions are such a load of bollox.
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Feb 11, 2016 16:09
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quote:Enda Kenny TD of Fine Gael, Joan Burton TD of the Labour Party, Micheál Martin TD of Fianna Fáil and Gerry Adams TD of Sinn Féin take part in a four-way debate Shame it's just those 4. I would have liked to have seen Lucinda and Stephen Donnelly on it too, they would probably have added a bit more substance to the debate. As it is I fear it'll just be The Establishment vs Gerry for 90 minutes. But if they were on it then I guess you'd also have to have Shane Ross, Boyd-Barrett and Eamon Ryan. And a 9 person debate would have been rather unwieldy.
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Feb 11, 2016 17:47
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Blut posted:Shame it's just those 4. I would have liked to have seen Lucinda and Stephen Donnelly on it too, they would probably have added a bit more substance to the debate. As it is I fear it'll just be The Establishment vs Gerry for 90 minutes. But if they were on it then I guess you'd also have to have Shane Ross, Boyd-Barrett and Eamon Ryan. And a 9 person debate would have been rather unwieldy. Which is exactly what Gerry wants, all he has to do is other any alternative tot he establishment and SF popularity is going to rocket. On another vote I finally got around to watching The Rubberbandits Guide to 1916, was pretty amazing.
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Feb 11, 2016 18:05
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Claire Byrne will be doing a live seven leader debate on Monday FYI, so the big four plus Lucinda Creighton, Stephen Donnelley and either Boyd-Barrett or Murphy - the greens weren't invited cause they had no TDs and haven't been very happy about it. Enda got pissy about it and threatened to pull a Cameron and boycott it, complaining that unelected minor parties (SocDems and Renua) where going to get equal speaking time to him
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kustomkarkommando posted:Claire Byrne will be doing a live seven leader debate on Monday FYI, so the big four plus Lucinda Creighton, Stephen Donnelley and either Boyd-Barrett or Murphy - the greens weren't invited cause they had no TDs and haven't been very happy about it. I had heard about something being on on Monday actually but forgotten, that sounds great. 7 should be a just about manageable number. I think Creighton, Donnelly and Boyd-Barrett being there will make for a much more interesting debate than tonights.
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Feb 11, 2016 19:25
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Feb 11, 2016 19:36
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Cabinet posted:What time is the debate on at? I'm probably going to miss it because of work 8 (I think) e: Nope, it's at 9
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Bryter posted:8 (I think) drat, going to miss it in that case. Guess I'll have to play catch up tomorrow if its hosted somewhere.
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Feb 11, 2016 20:25
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Cabinet posted:drat, going to miss it in that case. Guess I'll have to play catch up tomorrow if its hosted somewhere. Probably going to miss it myself at this rate but I found a special prerecorded version https://youtu.be/XT5NwNiUW4o
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Feb 11, 2016 21:39
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Even if you were watching it you'd be missing it, can't make out a word they're saying with them talking over each other. It's really bad.
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Feb 11, 2016 22:36
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Just tuned in and I think Gerry might be close to clocking Pat Kenny already
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Feb 11, 2016 22:42
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This is a right loving poo poo show
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Feb 11, 2016 22:47
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"If a woman walks into your clinic and says she just had a an abortion would you call an ambulance or the police" Everyone gawps awkwardly at Pat Kenny
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Feb 11, 2016 23:02
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Feb 11, 2016 23:39
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julian assflange posted:Are you actually serious? That was a real question. Everyone just looked awkwardly at him and mumbled "ambulance" before the ads started High point may have been when the moderators starting interrupting each other complaining that everyone was interrupting each other
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kustomkarkommando posted:That was a real question. Everyone just looked awkwardly at him and mumbled "ambulance" before the ads started It's a shame Vincent Browne wasn't there but I'd also imagine that was key to certain people showing up in the first place
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Feb 11, 2016 23:54
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The amendment to the Justice Bill in Northern Ireland that would have allowed for abortion in cases of fatal foetal abnormality was defeated 59 to 40, with the SDLP whipped to vote No - with only Claire Hanna, the party's candidate for Belfast South who's consider one of the young liberals in the party, abstaining from the vote. SF, Alliance, Steven Agnew of the Greens, Basil McCrea of NI21 and John McCallister (formerly of NI21) voted in favour - surprisingly joined by a small handful of UUP MLA's who where allowed a free vote, among the UUP Aye's was party leader Mike Nesbitt. Another motion to legalize abortion in cases of rape or incest managed to split Alliance, only two of their MLA's voted in favour (Anna Lo, who tabled the motion, and Stephen Farry) - the rest voted it down, ostensibly it seems to focus on the fatal foetal abnormality motion and avoid "slippery slope" talk (that came up anyway in the debate around the motions)
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Feb 12, 2016 00:31
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TG4's debate has been cancelled due to Gerry Adams and Joan Burton apparently not cutting it in the Irish department. Both suggested substitutes (Pearse Doherty and Aodhan O'Riordain) but FF said it was leaders or nothing...
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Feb 14, 2016 22:41
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julian assflange posted:TG4's debate has been cancelled due to Gerry Adams and Joan Burton apparently not cutting it in the Irish department. There's an Irish language only debate? That's cool as hell.
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