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breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Great OP, OPer.

Listening to a Labour election coordinator on RTÉ try to argue that the party isn't going to lose seats and may actually come out stronger was glorious.

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breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Fine Gael, Fianna Fail and Labour have no real definable ideals. You've got Labour TDs harking on about appeasing job creators, Fine Gael trying to develop progressive social policy and Fianna Fail who are doing nothing but desperately to convince people they are honest politicians.

I might vote Social Democrats or perhaps Sinn Fein. There's no party that I can see with a leftist social/economic policy without being populist as gently caress.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

forkboy84 posted:

On the other hand, do you really want to be lead by a Prime Minister who quite likely shoved his penis into the mouth of a dead pig?

We're not to bothered with what we shove into a pig's mouth over here.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

Baron Porkface posted:

So unionism means not uniting. Makes more sense than the libel law thing.

I think it translates more to "maintaining the union with the UK".

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

kustomkarkommando posted:

Please do no judge Irish politics but what independents from the country get up to. ty.

Singsongs are infinitely better than attack ads across the Atlantic or whatever the heck they do in the UK.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

Cabinet posted:

I hate to be that guy but I cannot support anyone but SF or AAA this election. Labour are as good as dead, FG and FF are bastards.

I'll lay my bias out front: Gerry Adams is my TD and when it comes to grassroots stuff he is involved in the community.

I like Paul Murphy and I would love to see socialist parties with more power in the Dail. They sorely lack electable politicians though, in my mind.

Unfortunately with our massive independent divide, left wing parties will never hold power.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

lemonadesweetheart posted:

I'm not trying to bait you or anything but what is it that you like about Murphy?

I'm just back in Ireland after a lengthy spell abroad and the whole focus on the water protests by the socialist parties has really soured me to them given the other economic debacles going on at the time.

There's nothing that I know that I disagree with him on; 8th amendment, austerity, income inequality, housing/rent, zero-hour contracts. He seems quite intelligent and he presents himself well in the Dail.

Austerity didn't kill us like it did to Portugal, Spain and Greece so I can't blame the left here for leaning so heavily on water charges.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

Cabinet posted:

I hope Renua don't get any seats and piss off. Stupidest poo poo to come out of Irish politics in a long time.

They seem pretty tame compared to fringe right parties in the rest of Europe and they don't seem to be advocating a night-watchman state yet.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
RBB was much more eloquent than I've ever seen him in the Dáil. The rest of his party is much more inconsistent; I was at a DCU debate a few hours ago for Dublin NW and the AAA/PBP candidate there didn't really know his stuff and he wasn't a great speaker.

The SocDems are looking better each day for me. I really hope they do well enough that if we have a FG/FF/Lab coalition that bring an early next GE, the SocDems will hopefully grow and be even stronger.

breadshaped fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Feb 17, 2016

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
There was also a Direct Democracy guy at the debate I was at and loving hell he was bloody loopy. Someone asked a question about the lack of public transport for Dublin north west and his answer was that instead of spending money on metro north, we should be buying a fleet of self driving cars from Elon Musk to take people from their doors to town. :shepface:

Made me want to look them up and:

quote:

Prime Time ran a 20-minute investigative report by Rita O'Reilly which highlighted the close links between DDI, People for Economic Justice and DebtOptions Ireland to the Freeman movement.[4] The party also has formal links to the fringe lobbying group known as the National Health Federationwhich opposes water fluoridation, compulsory childhood vaccines and promotes unproven cancer treatments.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Did Greens fall hard from broken pledges with FF as Labour have with FG?

Seems to me like they increased the number of wind farms across ireland which I can only assume is their sole policy.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Labour should take this massive failing and reform as "New Labour"; a centre-left to left party. Not really though, I hope they lose people to SocDems and disappear like the PDs.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Has the left ever really been significant in Ireland?

I'm really glad for the result it seems like there's a strong left opposition now and hopefully it gains momentum for whenever the next election will be.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

Blut posted:

The number of left TDs in this Dail actually went down quite considerably unfortunately, so I wouldn't hold my breath too much on a leftish surge. There were 63 TDs on the left in 2011, but only 47 now in 2016. The Irish public, outside of under 30s and city dwellers, seems to prefer FF's brand of populism.

Labour in coalition did almost nothing for the left.

So we've actually gone from 26 left TDs in opposition to 40 left TDs in opposition. So I would call that a significant gain.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
How is the whole "forming a government" thing going?

What happens if FF/FG don't agree to form a government; new election?

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

Spacewolf posted:

Is the comparison my brain is making to Israeli coalition negotiations warranted yet? Like "gently caress this is going to turn Ireland into Knesset West"?

That coalition was all the parties from centre-right to far-far-far-right. This is going to be an entire spectrum of political ideologies with deputies/parties who may not keep their mouths shut and do what they're told like labour did pre-election. It's going to fall apart spectacularly with plenty of :allears:

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
What was he trying to say?

What a clown... tweeting your stream of conciousness as a politician can make you very popular on twitter but the downside is of course when your can't control what comes out of your loving gob.

Irish people are also scum and our homogeneously white country has bred us the most closetly racist populous in history.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
The cynic in me suspects the Healy-Rae's opinions on climate change are sung to the tune of the cattle industry or other rural polluting industries.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

Blut posted:

If Labour make a big push for a referendum on the 8th I think it'll get interesting. FF/FG both seem to be coming around to the realization that its a big issue for people under 40. And for lots of women of all ages.

Any TDs that vote against a motion on it will likely have a lot of questions to answer at the next election. Especially any in a remotely urban area.

I don't think Labour are going to push it at all and, unlike gay marriage and even though it's a popular movement, abortion isn't going to be a hill people want to die on.

With gay marriage, I feel like it was more like people not wanting our country to look medieval.

People are afraid to make connections on the media between babies found abandoned/dead in bins and a woman's right to choose. We can't have a referendum on something we're incapable of speaking openly about.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

Marenghi posted:

But reports say Apple was paying 1% since 1991 which was reduced to 0.005% in 2007, that's 5000 paid in tax for every million of profit.

It's actually €50 for every one million euros.

That TD that came out and said something like "if you're a us-multinational, the government has your back", I can't imagine the most conservative politicians in other countries being able to say that without getting slaughtered. We've steadily allowed ourselves to become that country that flagellates ourselves for big business.

We're perfectly happy to cycle between right/free-market econ policies and the same except with more social conservatism every election cycle, with a healthy dollop of the most useless, vote chasing independents. Nobody seems to care about anything in our lower house, our upper house has no power, we happily elect proven tax evaders and crooks.

Starting to become seriously disillusioned with the political process in this country. We came out of this recession like nothing even happened and went straight back to the status quo. Emigration is becoming more attractive every day.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Stephen Donnelly looks to be leaving the Social Democrats. I really liked him, came off as very informed on the issues and intelligent.

Death of the soft left and all that.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
I love that the last act of Kenny will be to get orange tanning gunk all over his hand.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
I would categorise Ireland as being a low tax and low public services compared to the rest of the EU-15 but it has good protections built into it.

We're quite big on free-market economics also and public bus services needing to generate rhythmic profits despite being given a fraction of subsidies given to other transport services.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Gerry Adams' twitter is really popular with young people in the south, anyway.

e: https://twitter.com/GerryAdamsSF/status/414111768638922752

https://twitter.com/GerryAdamsSF/status/416635881626537984

Ducky ar lá :allears:

breadshaped fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Mar 2, 2017

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
What's driving the high turnout? Brexit and heating oil scandals?

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Doesn't Article 3 of the Constitution mean that we are forced to reunify Ireland if NI vote for it in a referendum?

Also we would only lose money for the first few years before we Made Norn-ire-and Great Again

breadshaped fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Mar 7, 2017

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

Bryter posted:

Come on now lads... Can't afford us?? Are you trying to tell me that the 26% GDP growth was a big bunch of bullshit?

We measure growth in Apple Tax Rulings per year now actually.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
2016's GDP growth is expect at 0.71 ATRs.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Is Blasphemy a constitutional issue? Can't they just... get rid of it?

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
I really hope it's not Leo just for all the poo poo we're going to have to read from liberals about how we're such a progressive country with a gay head of state who is probably just going to keep kicking the can of societal failings down the road for 20 years into the future.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

kustomkarkommando posted:

To be honest Leo winning and nudging FG to complete the transformation into a more recognisably right wing liberal conservative party that wouldn't be out of place elsewhere in Europe or the anglosphere will widen the distance between FG and FF so the foggy traditional policy by policy "centrist" consensus will become weaker than its ever been and you'll be able to tell FF and FG apart without as much squinting and history books

That would be good thing. I was at a debate in DCU and Noel Rock was abashed that someone called his party the "Irish Tories". I think the Irish (and Scottish) in general just dislike the idea of being or voting a "conservative", even if they agree with their policies.

Now if Labour could do the same but for the left... They're pretty analogous to the LibDems in the UK atm.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Someone talk about NI re exit poll

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Today I discovered our constitution has a special provision for "social justice" in the constitution article 43 dealing with private property.



I'd say having per every homeless person; 7 empty homes in the cities and 13 empty homes overall probably fits the bill of a social justice crisis worth invoking that for.

Ironically in the US the right-wing politicians are trying to make their country more based on how they think the constitution writers wanted it while ours are doing the total opposite.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Flanagan interrupted the Dáil and accused Alan Kelly of launching a 'smear campaign' by asking which officials knew about the attacks on McCabe. (15 Nov)

Now we know Flanagan was one of those officials who knew??

This is all really funny. There's a real Streisand effect with this McCabe stuff.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
I had to look it up because I forgot that the initial whistleblowing incident wasn't the GSOC bugging scandal but rather the thing over penalty point systems abuse.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
I remember listening to someone on RTÉ talking about how little legislation is being passed right now under this supply/confidence deal, including legislation for the marriage ref.

If it's true then maybe we need an election sooner than later, seeing as SF are willing to go into coalition, so we can have a proper coalition gov.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
I thought the timing with the gov. getting hard on the UK re the brexit border issues before SF's sudden amenability to coalition was maybe a signal that some kind of coalition with FG might be possible.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
I'm looking forward to full communism in Ireland.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Wouldn't mind an auld spring election now. gently caress this C&S government. I barely know who to vote for tbh. Why can't Ireland have a Corbynite Labour party analogue.

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breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Looking forward to the presidential election coming up.

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