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lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

DUP and PUP

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lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

That's all predicated on the under 35s voting though, which is probably not going to be as high as everyone thinks.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

I'm not trying to bait you or anything but what is it that you like about Murphy?

I'm just back in Ireland after a lengthy spell abroad and the whole focus on the water protests by the socialist parties has really soured me to them given the other economic debacles going on at the time.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Cabinet posted:

Why? The water charges are universally disliked by the people. It's a great way to get people to pay attention to their message.

Like I said, water charges are largely inconsequential when taken in the context of them bolloxing up the economy, bailing out the banks etc etc etc. I see it largely as a distraction that panders to a lowest common denominator with no real consequence whether it's removed or not.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

So do ye think that the killing last night means that the claim the previous one was CIRA was bogus or not?

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Bedshaped posted:

They seem pretty tame compared to fringe right parties in the rest of Europe and they don't seem to be advocating a night-watchman state yet.

They lost me at flat tax.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Only one person said no northern stuff and this is your thread so gently caress it.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

julian assflange posted:

Can someone who isn't a TD be Taoiseach? I'm guessing not

No

Coohoolin posted:

Anywhere non-IE people can stream the debate? I'm mildly curious. Gerry Adams gonna be there?

http://www.tv3.ie/3player/live/tv3/ might work

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Coohoolin posted:

I can't watch Red Rock! Such a shame. I actually had a midnight jam session with Darragh O'Toole in the park in Galway while he was waiting for his bus back to Dublin. Motherfucker can freestyle like it's nothing.

I'll try again at 8, see if the debate isn't restricted.

VPN might work. These regional restrictions are such a load of bollox.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Greens have been dead since the last election.

I have gone through all the candidates in my constituency and picked out my top three. SF, AAA and an Independent, probably not in that order. Still not sure about the SF one but she seems decent on paper.

lemonadesweetheart fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Feb 22, 2016

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

KInda neat thing that runs through some of the issues to give you a better idea on which candidate to pick.

http://www.whichcandidate.ie/

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

StoneOfShame posted:

You know its almost like SF is full of terrible scumbags and people seem to be completely forgetting this.

Yeah but the water charges...

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

What time will counting start?

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

This is gonna suck balls.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

It really looks like any smaller party that goes in with one of the big two, dies horribly in the subsequent election. I cant see that changing if it turns out to be Sinn Fein.

Also gently caress you tipperary for lowry yet again.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Shatter is done. At least something good happened.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Do Renua look like they could actually take a seat somewhere? Even Lucinda is struggling.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

I doubt it. Who do they think will take his place?

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Cabinet posted:

That's also an issue. People are saying Leo, but his seat is apparently in trouble? There is no real anointed one or anyone who seems to want to take the position right now.

Leo is already in. I think he might be a decent alternative but i dont think fg did bad enough yet.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

kustomkarkommando posted:

Ah bollocks Joan is safe

Unless labour go into government, which is bloody unlikely, there is going to be an auto leadership challenge.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Blut posted:

It's all well and good to (correctly) disparage Labour's left credentials/actions since 2011 though, but in some constituencies the last seat this week was between an FF/FG candidate and a Labour candidate. In that scenario anyone who actually has left-leaning political views, regardless of party affiliation, should be hoping for a Labour win. I don't think anyone can doubt that both FG and FF are at the very least slightly to the right of Labour. And Labour have far more potential to swing back left than either of FF/FG.

Neither is ideal, but I'd far rather a FG/LAB coalition government than FG/FF, given the choice. And they are/were the most likely choices facing us.

The very angry, Labour-are-terrible-in-every-way SF supporter sentiment just seems either selfish (a ploy by SF to get more votes) or childish (seeing everything in black&white good vs bad instead of shades of grey). The left's ridiculous tendency to fight each other / split parties constantly instead of coalescing against the centre-right has been a major problem in Ireland for the past 90 years.

I hope with the retirement of Gerry's Generation from SF they lose some of the irredentist nationalism, and gain more people committed to actual left wing economic policies. But we'll see.

A vote for labour is a vote for FF or FG depending on who takes power and a lot of people are sick of it.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Quinntan posted:

No, a vote for Labour is a vote for at least some of the left's policies to be enacted. There's no way in hell the gay marriage referendum goes through without Labour being involved, for example.

Which part of the push for the referendum was specifically championed by Labour against Fine Gael exactly?

Actually let me extend that further, what actual left policies where enacted purely based on Labours involvement in government that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

lemonadesweetheart fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Feb 29, 2016

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Blut, you're not going to convince anyone that Labour should get seats over FF or FG until Labour proves it can go into government and not just follow lock step whatever FF or FG want to do. You're absolutely right that it makes sense that people should do this but right now people don't see any real difference between a seat going Labour or a seat going FF or FG and they're not far wrong. This kick in the balls still hasn't registered properly with labour because they're still whining that they were just doing what was best for the country instead of sacking up and realising that the reason they only have 7 seats now is because of their last five years in government. Irish people are like goldfish so maybe next cycle you'll see the labour resurgence you seem to want.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Bedshaped posted:

How is the whole "forming a government" thing going?

What happens if FF/FG don't agree to form a government; new election?

It's still under negotiation with no real details. Most likely outcome is a FG minority government with FF as main opposition with some kind of agreement on how to get stuff passed agreed between the two. If it ends up as an impasse it'll go to a new general election but nobody elected will actually want that to happen.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

e_angst posted:

If there's a minority government, does Kenny still end up as Taoiseach, or does somebody else get a shot?

There's talk about a rotation between them both but I can't see that working out. I think it's too early to predict but I can see Kenny taking it on again for however long this poo poo show lasts.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Cabinet posted:

Probably. I don't believe FF a bit with Irish Water when they were the ones who first floated the idea. All it is is a vote snatcher.

Wasn't it Ryan who brought this poo poo up first?

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Marenghi posted:

Seeing as the election has gone quiet, what's everyone's opinion on the Luas strikes.

I feel the management poisoned public support by leaking their "greedy" demands to the media. And it seems like most everyone in Ireland despises the drivers for the inconvenience and for not earning minimum wage.

Its the usual shite, the demands are reasonable but people are crabs. How its being handled in the media is a disgrace.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

julian assflange posted:

It's been so long I can't remember the order of my voting slip.

Dumb question but can candidates who weren't In the first election present themselves for the next one (if it happens)?

Yes, it's a brand new poo poo show so it would be a full reset as if the first one never happened.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Just don't study in Dublin, it's a shithole anyway. What are you thinking of doing?

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Kenny has been on the ropes for years now but I'm not sure FG remembers how to function without him. I think he'll last until the next general election in a few weeks time.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

While they may not be at the same level as Theresa May, Pol Pot or Idi Amin, they are still pretty loving bad and I would never call them good people.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Kurtofan posted:

Who does Dublin vote for?

Depends what side of the liffey you're on and how far from it you are. It's a very mixed bag of far left fringe all the way to neo liberal conservative.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwPVk72GLfY

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

julian assflange posted:

Still don't get why people in the south are so for unification

So we can go back to the way things were (never were).

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

I think it'd be nice if they changed the tricolor and added a giant dirty orange man with a bowler hat in the middle holding up a big red ulster hand as a show of solidarity.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

WeAreTheRomans posted:

Yeah my missus will be doing this next year and it ain't cheap. It's also €350 a year for a GNIB card, and a wasted workday spent both of us queuing in the shithole GNIB office every year

€350 a year for a GNIB card? what the gently caress? My wife does this too and it doesn't cost that much.

Also be aware they changed the loving system without telling anyone and you have to register on some lovely broken website within ten weeks of your appointment that will likely result in you getting an appointment after the card expires with no way to actually get anything done to fix it. So happy days you don't have to queue from 6am in the morning any more but you may have your wife deported because GNIB doesn't know what the gently caress they are doing.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

My wife is Malaysian and we paid like 10 euro or something at the start. Nothing for renewal. That is really weird.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Okay that 300 euro thing was doing my head in so I went to their website and checked. If you're an Irish citizen and the person applying for the card is your spouse they are exempt the fee. There's a few other exemptions for refugees and stuff.

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Which sack of poo poo does everyone think will get it?

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lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

Is there any chance anyone else will run against these fucks?

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