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I think the walking puzzle you're talking about has some breaks in the panels or something to block the player from taking the exact path you're describing. Some more tips about the walking puzzles: Once you've completed them, you can walk on any panel and you won't undo the puzzle. In fact, you can reset the puzzles entirely and the doors will stay open. Another thing you might have noticed with them is that the panels seem to stay pressed even if you step off them. This means that at any time you can get off the puzzle and go back to look at your progress on it to see if you're going the right way. Good job on doing the whole light and shadow puzzle area with relatively little trouble!
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Fiendly posted:In the walking puzzle that stumped them last video and was solved in this one, am I correct in saying that they crossed more of the board than was necessary for the solution? If I understand the colored dots mechanic, they should only have needed to go left one, up two, right one, up two, left two, down two, then straight to the exit instead of all the way to the bottom then back up, unless there are further attributes of this mechanic that I don't get. So here is why that won't work. I've drawn your proposed solution and then tinted the problem area. As you can see, this area has both white and black dots in it. 
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Mar 2, 2016 19:28
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JEBOman posted:So here is why that won't work. Ah, I get it now. Good to know!
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Mar 2, 2016 20:15
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Watching this it was the first time I noticed that the autumn area had its laser panel already active made me go and watch any/low percent speedruns of the witness...there is a few of those speed runner friendly panels in different areas too it seems.
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Mar 2, 2016 23:56
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Shaded Spriter posted:Watching this it was the first time I noticed that the autumn area had its laser panel already active made me go and watch any/low percent speedruns of the witness...there is a few of those speed runner friendly panels in different areas too it seems.
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Mar 3, 2016 00:18
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JEBOman posted:So here is why that won't work. Ohhh I see now, I kept assuming it was an open-circuit-closed-circuit sort of puzzle mechanic; that's much simpler. I guess this would be the point where I'd be reevaluating the mechanic if I was playing it.
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Mar 3, 2016 22:08
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tlarn posted:Ohhh I see now, I kept assuming it was an open-circuit-closed-circuit sort of puzzle mechanic; that's much simpler. I guess this would be the point where I'd be reevaluating the mechanic if I was playing it. I worked out a method for some later puzzles that worked fine until it didn't. When explaining my in-hindsight-really-convoluted method to my brother to see what I was missing, the only reply he could think of was "You're not on the right track, you're not even at the right station, but I wish you were because what little I understood of what you just said sounds like a wonderful puzzle for a different game."
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Bruceski posted:I worked out a method for some later puzzles that worked fine until it didn't. When explaining my in-hindsight-really-convoluted method to my brother to see what I was missing, the only reply he could think of was "You're not on the right track, you're not even at the right station, but I wish you were because what little I understood of what you just said sounds like a wonderful puzzle for a different game." I'm still trying to understand how I solved that castle maze, the one with the different walking sounds, because sure as hell it wasn't by sound (at least not conciously). I think I went with minimizing (or maximizing) the shadows traveled or something, two or three tries and the door opened 
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Mar 3, 2016 23:32
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Bruceski posted:I worked out a method for some later puzzles that worked fine until it didn't. When explaining my in-hindsight-really-convoluted method to my brother to see what I was missing, the only reply he could think of was "You're not on the right track, you're not even at the right station, but I wish you were because what little I understood of what you just said sounds like a wonderful puzzle for a different game."
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Dominoes posted:Post your odd solution in spoilers, please. When those puzzles show up I will. Even though it's on the wrong track, explaining it is most easily done by referencing the proper method, and I'd rather not contribute to hiving them early hints on that. I prefer to keep those to places where they're *already* stuck.
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I loved those two shadow/light puzzles that were just basically "cut one corner of the grid, you're done". Because why would that ever be a solution?
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Part 8 is up, everyone! This game just got so much bigger.metalloid posted:what was that wonderful music you used for the speed up section in part 6? Okay, so, all of our music comes from bensound.com, and that delightful track is called "Buddy."  IronSaber posted:Regarding the Quarry puzzle area, you should be able STOP LOOKING AT SPOILERS, AMY. I accidentally revealed that spoiler when I was scrolling on my phone, and I almost started crying. Bruceski posted:As long as we don't get out of hand, would you be fine with that sort of thing continuing or would you rather we hold off entirely? I've been trying to keep it to places where you could wind up stuck (the town being full of "you're supposed to learn about all this stuff from other areas" puzzles when others have been tutorials for example) or where the tutorial can let you walk away with an incomplete conclusion (like the dots there. I can't recall if the tutorial had some that broke the cluster rule but it's definitely easily missed). Amy and I are both fine with that kind of stuff, yeah. I like to think that we're all playing together, and as long as people aren't outright telling us how to solve puzzles without spoiler tags, or telling us about stuff we haven't seen yet, then I don't see a problem. pedrovay2003 fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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Mar 5, 2016 03:58
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I, for one, am looking forward to Pete and Amy's Witness Island 3 Hour Tour.
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Mar 5, 2016 05:23
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It looks like for those three-prong-symbol puzzles at the end, it didn't matter which node you left untouched, so long as you left one alone for the symbol to eat; on the first in the tutorial series of it, different nodes would "ding" depending on the solution you guys popped in. It wasn't actually telling you which node the symbol wanted in particular, it was just picking one. This feels like an assumption J-Blow banks on so that a puzzle down the way will kick your rear end if you go into it like that.
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A couple of things to hopefully make future episodes easier: --the symbols on the boat map (29:04 has a good view) are the "core" puzzles in that area, though some of them aren't easily deciphered until you go there and figure those puzzles out. For example just below the current dock is a symbol for those shadow puzzles in the forest and the castle mazes next to it but they're just squiggles. Still, this can be helpful if you keep seeing some puzzle element and want to target the tutorial area, or just for navigation. --The spot you opened in the symmetry pottery area (the "the wall fell down what the heck did that accomplish" bit) was a dock, though it was shut down at the time. I don't know if the boat unlocks based on number of puzzles or if certain docks start active (I first hit it at a different dock from you) but now that you've activated it all the docks should be available both to disembark at and to summon a boat at. --The hedgehog/starbursts you guys saw at 35:00 are not the same as the white/black squares you've been working with so far, and have different rules. I have bad eyesight and played at low quality so it took me ages to figure that out.
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You should pay more attention to which of the dots are 'ding'ing. Also sometimes I feel like you're spending too long on puzzles that you clearly don't have enough information to solve yet, but maybe that's just me.
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Mar 5, 2016 06:09
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You're not the only ones who found the upside-down Ys totally incomprehensible. I had to go look it up and it's easily the least intuitive symbol.
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Mar 5, 2016 06:46
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I caught on to the gimmick from the ramp switch. Seemed pretty intuitive to me. Of course, everybody has their own strengths and weaknesses with the puzzles in this game.
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Mar 5, 2016 07:18
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Don't feel bad about the ship puzzle. I've actually gotten 100% puzzle completion in this game and it is easily the hardest one in the game. I think I had to look up maybe 3 of the 600+ puzzles in the game and that was one of them. It is incredibly unintuitive, even if you know what you're attempting to do. Good job figuring out part of the logic for the tetris shapes in puzzles. Unfortunately, you're still missing the more advanced logic behind the shadows but you'll get that when you visit the area for them proper. In general, the further northeast you go on the island, the harder the puzzles get and the more they rely on you knowing the mechanics behind other symbols. See how the shapes and stars can be seen in that boat dock. The puzzle at the top of the castle also relies on you understanding the mechanics in full. Keep finding your way to symbol tutorial areas because they will help you keep moving forward! And if you get a chance, you should definitely go back and check out the view from the castle again. You might discover some hidden things as you look around!
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Mar 5, 2016 08:10
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Why is the sound so hosed up in places? It drives me crazy.
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IronSaber posted:Why is the sound so hosed up in places? It drives me crazy. That's just an annoying bug in the game. If your pc isn't quite as good, it happens basically everywhere. Also you get massive slowdown near the river.
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Mar 5, 2016 08:34
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The best part of watching Witness let's plays is seeing people learn the wrong lesson from something and silently screaming. Not that I didn't make several of the same errors myself.
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StarkRavingMad posted:The best part of watching Witness let's plays is seeing people learn the wrong lesson from something and silently screaming. Not that I didn't make several of the same errors myself. It's when you curse aloud the name of Jonathan Blow and his miserable lack of how to properly teach game mechanics. Jonathan Blow, more like... Jonathan Blows at making games! 
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The term in pedagogy (ie the study of teaching) circles is "misconception" - like say in maths, maybe you did the first few questions in an exercise using some flawed method or assumption that nonetheless has given you the right answer so far (eg treating the black and white dots as "slalom gates" to pass between), but would not work in the general case. So it's important if you're designing the exercise to throw in questions that flat out don't make sense under common misconception A, common misconception B and so on. The Witness is pretty good at throwing out "stumper" puzzles every so often that challenge misconceptions like this. A problem with the Witness is that its very non-verbal nature means that there's no-one to turn to and say "ok, what am I getting wrong this time?" - there's no teacher. Other than the ones we make for ourselves by talking and writing about the game, of course. Some people are better at non-verbal reasoning that others and perhaps can roll through all this on their own, but I like words and know that for some mechanics I had to at the very least browse around for people discussing the game and see what they were saying to each other about a mechanic to get an idea of what it meant.
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FPzero posted:Don't feel bad about the ship puzzle. I've actually gotten 100% puzzle completion in this game and it is easily the hardest one in the game. I think I had to look up maybe 3 of the 600+ puzzles in the game and that was one of them. It is incredibly unintuitive, even if you know what you're attempting to do. In an interview before release, Blow said that some puzzles were hard enough that less than 1% of players would solve them unaided. In an interview after release, Blow said he was thinking of the ship puzzle when he said that.
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What did y'all find particularly challenging about the ship puzzle? Trying it before you've done a certain puzzle set will cause problems, and you may think you have all you need to solve it prior to that point. I think the biggest stumper on it is confining your time scale too much. Once you understand everything that's going on, it makes sense.
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Speaking of the castle did anyone else see a very large puzzle in front of the gates? Or am I just imagining things?
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tlarn posted:It looks like for those three-prong-symbol puzzles at the end, it didn't matter which node you left untouched, so long as you left one alone for the symbol to eat; on the first in the tutorial series of it, different nodes would "ding" depending on the solution you guys popped in. It wasn't actually telling you which node the symbol wanted in particular, it was just picking one. Yeah, the other thing is that the node has to be in the same area as the three-pointed star. I figure that's why the first puzzle kept getting angry when you cut between the star and the node, too.
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sirtommygunn posted:I caught on to the gimmick from the ramp switch. Seemed pretty intuitive to me. Of course, everybody has their own strengths and weaknesses with the puzzles in this game. Yeah, the puzzle to raise/lower the ramp made the function of that symbol immediately clear for me too. Though given it's literally the first thing so far that I've managed to beat the LP duo to figuring out, I can't really be talking. You guys are doing great!
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I don't know if this has been said before (it's from a while back), but back in the desert area you had that section of ruins that was a start point and a line. Pete tried touching it, but I noticed that you could get light to reflect off of it. Maybe if you get the whole thing "lit up" something happens? I'm really enjoying the LP! If I had $40 to drop on a game I would definitely pick this up and try the puzzles on my own, but alas. I'm glad you said you were open for suggestions, so that I can try a limited amount, at least.
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It looks like the light coming through the workshop roof is trying to create a path too. So easy to see patterns in dots and lines. Anyway, I look forward to learning about what the heck those puzzles in the boathouse are on about, but whatever series you're running through now looks neat too.
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Okay, guys, part 9 is up. This is an interesting episode, because we get really far without having any idea how we did anything. I mention it in the video, but if anyone wants to help us along with these particular puzzles, feel free, since we seem to be pretty stumped. Also, here's the promised picture of the cat! 
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Yeah, I think y'all were way overthinking it in the beginning; it looks like a color separation puzzle, with the added bonus of giving you a way to eliminate one color block in a cordoned area.
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tlarn posted:Yeah, I think y'all were way overthinking it in the beginning; it looks like a color separation puzzle, with the added bonus of giving you a way to eliminate one color block in a cordoned area. That's what I was about to say. They're the same shape as the black and white rounded squares and if they were black and white instead of red and green, all of those solutions would make sense. The other colors are just different sorts of 'white' squares. You just need to leave something for the y to remove. Sort of reminds me of the color filters you'd put on CRTs for old arcade machines and retro consoles. Oh yeah, wasn't there a broken puzzle on the ground that had one of those ys on it? Echophonic fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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Congratulations, you officially discovered environmental puzzles! Here's a hint I hope will save you headache in the future but I'll put it in spoilers in case you don't want to read it: Environmental puzzles do not play into the overall puzzle theme of an area. They do not affect your progress at all and are instead considered bonus puzzles for you to complete. Don't tear your hair out looking for them thinking they will hide a key puzzle to progress because they do not. Additionally, you all are still overthinking the colored squares way too much. They are a simple color separation and their rules still apply no matter what sort of puzzle they are included in. Notice how on the upside-down Y puzzles all of your correct solutions still have all the colors separated out after the Y takes one away? It doesn't matter what color a square is or how many of them are on the puzzle board, if you see colored squares you must separate them from one another. That's a good cat by the way.
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A quick hint that I am not sure you guys have quite picked up on: when a puzzle element flashes, it is because that specific puzzle element is 'incorrect'. Put another way, your solution is wrong because you haven't solved/used that specific piece. Even though other people have kind of spelled out the upside down y's (and multiple colors), I think you should watch carefully before and after the y does its thing and I think you'll see what it's doing. Also, making random guesses isn't as helpful as you'd expect. I understand that it seems like it would be easy to go from a solution to figuring out the rule, but it is far more useful to use the tutorial puzzles to test specific hypotheses. But of course, everyone learns differently. JEBOman fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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Here's how the Ys work. They tidy up. They're a pass, a bye. If there's one condition you can't physically meet, the Y will clear you up. But the Y is itself a condition so you HAVE to offer up "mistakes" to it. The "mistake" the Y deletes on a failed solution is arbitrary. It's not a hint. As for the red/green/blue stuff, well, it's a simple extension of something you understand already.
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Yeah you guys are overthinking it, or rather trying to tackle each board as a whole. In Part 8 you seemed to figure out some of what the Y was asking with the on-line dots, but instead of saying "how do these red/green work and Y interact with that" you're trying to make a NEW rule for Y. The blinking is probably throwing you off as well. I don't know why he didn't make ALL puzzles do that, but blinking means "this symbol is breaking one of its rules" no matter what that symbol is. Bruceski fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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So, to sum up what people have said. 1. Squares of any colour need to be divided up into their colours. 2. The Y-symbol cancels something in the same area it's in. Also, the one with the winged feet is Hermes (Mercury if you're Roman).
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fractalairduct posted:So, to sum up what people have said. This, plus from what I saw of this video's first puzzle the thing that gets cancelled out has to be causing trouble, since this  wasn't considered a correct answer
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