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 The Holodeck as featured predominantly in post-original series Star Trek Universe. Basic Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodeck It's a surprisingly small room that through the use of: holograms, forcefields, transporters, a database of patterns of all known organic and inorganic materials*, and a computer than can render a complete environment* around an individual allowing them to travel seemingly endlessly in any direction*. *some restrictions may apply Did the introduction of holodeck technology into human society destroy the last "bastions" of the internet as we know it now? Think of how terrible some of the internet is and imagine people being able to make the internet real. Would this be the straw that broke the camels back of being able to be anonymous and creepy? (using the internet does not make you anonymous and creepy. Just most people. Some are a lot better than others) From here on out I will only be discussing the subject matter that I know from watching the show. I have started rewatching but I am only on season 2 so I may be rusty. Generally don't poo poo on people for talking about Star Trek wrong. I believe that holodeck technology broke society so much that we decided to go into space in our pajamas.
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So primarily we see these things on the large starships which fly around on missions which seem to be boring, boring, boring, near death, boring, something never seen before by humanity, boring, boring, boring, magic. My feel from the show is that Starfleet is generally very boring, because space travel is boring even when no human ship has technically touched that space before it just becomes tedious. Then something insane happens and you either survive or don't because space is a cruel bitch. The long running joke is why is there not a huge waiting list to this magic room where you can almost do anything all the time? Think how addictive an escape this would be? Think internet chat rooms where people bury themselves in social subcultures made specifically to avoid them having to confront consequences. I would like to say I would love to go skiing all the time. On a never ending hill full of soft, fresh powder. The terrain never has to repeat itself, the snow can be anywhere. Skiing down a black hole while 80s lazers fire around me or anything I loving want (withing reason)
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Feb 9, 2016 21:01
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Mad Monk posted:Imagine goatse in a holodeck. Exactly so online gaming is out on these huge starships because they are out of range to communicate properly. This thing can be lifelike, as in indistinguishable from life. You would not want even a touch of lag ruining your experience. But what about planets? Surely their future land networks could link holodecks across a certain distance.
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Feb 9, 2016 21:07
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Jose Oquendo posted:On Deep Space Nine, Quark straight up says people love using the holodecks for sex simulations. I want to know who cleans up alien jizz at the end of the session. Well I assume the holodeck simply would transport all left over material like organic sheddings, bodily fluids, remnants of props and costumes into it's corresponding pattern and save it in your history. If you remember you can set your holodeck to wipe your "history" after every session
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Feb 9, 2016 21:10
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angerbeet posted:Ralp could take his final form So in the future everything is all about computers and honestly the Federation has gotten a little soft due to its reliance on technology. There are always people who are very good at electronic devices, taking apart devices to reverse engineer them, and ultimately learning how to break these systems. This analogy includes both hardware and software. I want you to imagine a world where you're doing your "workout routine" in the holodeck and suddenly your anally raped by your dad made from pictures they found on his SpaceBook (tm) while a literal 30 foot Goatse swallows you whole. Meanwhile this is all being dumped on your public MyFleet (tm) account. All because you disagreed with the wrong person/alien who wanted to marry his virtual pony and live in a holodeck forever which the government should pay for due to space autism (tm)
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Feb 9, 2016 21:22
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Jose Oquendo posted:What if the holodeck takes that alien jizz and puts it in same general pool of matter for the replicators? So when The Sisko orders his Raktajino he's basically drinking Bashir's jazz. Well once again that would depend on where you are using a holodeck. Are you starfleet? ship, base, planet? private (which i bet is loving expensive, the power alone...) or a public one? time share? monetary? What matters is this holodeck would work non stop. It is also insanely complicated and experimental. You would need great holodeck tech support all the time. If you cheaped out or got a bad technician, maybe your database would be sloppy and full of bugs. Starfleet is full of some of the greatest minds and every now and then their entertainment system nearly kills them. They have to stop their future gaming system from killing them repeatedly
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Feb 9, 2016 21:27
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Applewhite posted:The entire TNG series takes place on a holodeck. No humans have left Earth, or even their own homes, since the technology was invented. While as frightful as this unfortunately it doesn't fit into the mess that is the Star Trek time line. From an episode I can't remember anything about I know they discovered/stole/bought early holodeck technology in Enterprise. What I am guessing is that the great internet/early holodeck wars occured sometime shortly before ST: TOS. So we are out in the stars but everybody is grounded until they can figure out 'STARFLEET RULES OF INTERNET'
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Feb 9, 2016 21:42
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Microwaves Mom posted:so how do they handle all the walking in the holodeck? Is the floor a treadmill? Yes in a way. Now without googling i don't know the occupant capacity of a starfleet holodeck but I know for sure they can at least handle 5 different sentient, mobile beings. When you "move" away from each other, you essentially are put into a bubble of your experience. Your friend walking away from you stopped being your friend and is simply an image the moment the computer senses a perspective shift past your natural eyesite. Everything around you is simulated as a 3d image until you need to interact with it. Depending on complexity it is a polymorphic forcefield, with a perfect holographic skin over it that creates real material where your body touches. The computer knows how well your eyes work better than you do.
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Feb 9, 2016 21:49
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Applewhite posted:If you watch the finale of Enterprise you learn that the entire series was itself a Holodeck simulation. You're not helping your case. poo poo I tried to forget about that...  Counter-point Could a holodeck create a holodeck where Riker works around a ship pretending he is learning something from someone else but is essentially simply working a job that is from the past rather then live his "retired admiral" life?
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Feb 9, 2016 22:01
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Applewhite posted:I'm having a lot of trouble parsing your question. Yes, I guess? Sorry I kind of stumbled on that one, it was meant to be a play on the simulation within a simulation within a role-playing advanced QTE event of an event in the past. So in your future are the holodecks linked or is each holodeck a simulation individual to it's occupant
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Feb 9, 2016 22:26
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Sorry had to leave this hot holodeck chat to go do stuff in real life. Stuff like plumbing.... You are in a simulated building that has a bathroom on one end and a goon at the other end of the building. This building is essentially a hall thats longer than the actual physical holodeck room. You and the goon start in the middle and go opposite directions. At the end you void both real bowels into the simulated toilet and flush. If you then leave the holodeck and the goon comes over to where they percieved you to be. Would they smell your poop? Would it be simulated poop or would the computer store it? or would there be a filter. Imagine a system that could simply transport the poo poo right out of you. Kuato posted:Would likely be a lot of cannibalism, murder and serial killing going on in the holodeck. A great question. Would there essentially be a "Moral Lock" similar to conventional Parent/Children computer monitoring programs that flag certain actions. Maybe sex is allowed/expected but thanks to the Great Internet Wars I imagine identity is sacrosanct in the Federation. To use another living sentient federation member in an "unbecoming" simulation is a serious offence. Barkely was creepy but I think he was too smart to trip the alarms. Worf got away with straight up murder simulators. HAmbONE fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Feb 10, 2016 03:38
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Elfgames posted:Well if there's no replicator then we probably haven't moved into a fully communist society so it wouldn't be possible to be in one 24/7 also with no replicator there would be no mass to the holofood as it's made of force fields (even if there was it's still not made of actual foodstuff so there's nothing to actually digest) so it's not a concern. We would at least need people to do the jobs of making food, building, repairing and programming a holodeck. As far as I am aware without looking it up: The matter in the holodeck only appears solid, it is essentially space balsa wood. When a person touches or handles an object, the computer will then replicate more textural detail at those contact points. Certain "simple things" like dust are actually created and may adhere to clothes. There is a mortality safe-lock which prevents the computer from inflicting serious injury. Injuries can happen naturally depending on what a person is doing, I think someone hurts their shoulder doing space kayaking on the 'dek. So this computer knows just how much force it is applying to certain areas of your body at all times and has to calculate whether or not what it is currently creating is going to kill the occupant. Somethings it lets certain things happen while preventing others. This is also a system that can accidentally create artificial life and threaten the ship because Geordi worded a sentence wrong. Starfleet can deal with this but can you imagine all the horror stories of people who have jail-broke their holodeck?
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Feb 10, 2016 15:51
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Microwaves Mom posted:Weren't the holodecks not real physical things though? Like originally it was just light. Until they came up with some bullshit excuse for it being solid light. I am sure there have been many iterations of the holodeck created by different species. I don't remember much from Enterprise other than quarantined hot vulcan. In Starfleet technology; anything within reach of the user is made "as real as possible" depending on level of interaction. Anything outside of your physical presence simply converts back to an image.
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Feb 10, 2016 16:17
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There has been some confusion so I made this handy infographic to help
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Feb 10, 2016 16:43
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Microwaves Mom posted:I think they got hard light thats why the doctor on voyager was able to like punch people n poo poo. Without looking it up; Can anyone tell me if the term "Hard Light" was used in the Star Trek or Red Dwarf series first? I remember that term because I read the Red Dwarf books
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Feb 10, 2016 18:16
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SopWATh posted:Interacting with yourself on the holodeck would be dumb. You'd still need the internet to push the boundaries of what your perverted mind could imagine otherwise even an orgy with every super-model on earth would get boring after awhile. 1. Think of all the dirty poo poo you would do if you had access to a Starfleet quality holodeck 2. Look at your body now and think of your physical shape (not trying to be insulting, I know I could be in a lot better shape) 3. Try to calculate how quickly you would die if you let yourself have 24/7 access to a Holodeck It is hard to please one lover in real life. Every super-model on Earth? You say you would get bored but how quickly could you pull this off? Are you injecting yourself with Space Viagra while trying to engage in a physical activity with illusions that never tire?
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Feb 10, 2016 22:40
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Season 2: Ep 19 Manhunt. While trying to avoid getting laid, Picard goes to his Gumshoe program. The detectives secretary gives Picard a cigarette which he puts in his mouth and the bartender lights. His book might mention smoking in general but I don't think anybook would bother explaining how cigarettes work. There might be cultures that they run into that have something similar but I don't think anyone in the Federation smokes anymore. So the cigarette was handled by Picard and put near his SenseZone (tm) therefore the computer would try to make it as real as possible. Since it is organic matter that is meant to be burned and inhaled, would the holodeck make an actually cigarette. Would it actually burn or would it simply appear to burn? When Picard inhales would it produce nothing into his lungs or would it create smoke and then immediately remove it when it would threaten his lungs?
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Feb 12, 2016 19:29
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Applewhite posted:Who says nobody in the Federation smokes? They've cured cancer by then, there's no reason not to smoke. drat you and your logical ways. The counterpoint is you can smoke and not worry about cancer HOWEVER if you smoke in a Federation ship/facility the system kills you by putting a forcefield around your head to extinguish fire hazards Rutibex posted:can replicators make weed? cuz if so i dont really need a holodeck That's like saying I don't need video games because I can just get high. If you are not under the age of 18 you shouldn't be playing video games sober. HAmbONE fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 19:54
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Applewhite posted:Has this actually happened on the show? If not I'd say he can't do that but if he has I'll spin an explanation. Now I can't remember Worf ordering real Klingon food in an episode, but Riker does indeed sample a variety of Klingon dishes while in 10-Forward. I don't know if this replicated or maybe Guinan (sp? Whoopi) special ordered some stuff in for Riker. The key thing is that Riker doesn't know that "Ghak" is supposed to be served live until he is aboard a real klingon ship. Also the episode with the Space Chupacabras who bring their own live meat aboard because they can't get that on a federation ship. Once again I am going off knowledge and trying to avoid just looking things up so details may be wrong. My hypothesis: trying to synthesize a living, organic being is a no-no Rutibex posted:escaping into a fantasy world isn't really that appealing, when you live in future space society and can go visit new things that humans have never seen before, and discover deep cosmic truths. i mean i can see the appeal of the holodeck for between adventures, when your just warping from point A to B, but if i really wanted to i can just imagine things rather than have a computer do it for me SOME people get to explore strange new worlds and seek out new life. The rest is all infrastructure and research. Going on a cruise and not doing anything is boring, going on a cruise and not doing anything while high is boring. HAmbONE fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 20:31
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Rutibex posted:id fix up an old junker ship like the millennium falcon and go explore the galaxy on my own, with my own rag tang crew. nuts to the federation A good point but would you be exploring? Also what would you be exploring for? Space ships and space fuel cost mad space bucks.
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Feb 12, 2016 23:35
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CrashCat posted:computer, arch Now if you did that one day and it worked... Would you walk through?
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Feb 14, 2016 17:52
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Applewhite posted:Obviously. I guess you could test the water simply by holding an extremity out through the arch. It only takes a few seconds I think for holodeck creations to "dissolve?" outside the operational limits
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Feb 14, 2016 18:01
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Applewhite posted:If I found out I was a program I'd make the computer give me a bigger dick. Make sure after you make modifications that you set yourself as Read-only edit: not modications HAmbONE fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Feb 15, 2016 |
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Feb 14, 2016 18:20
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:That doesn't sound like a good idea, you'd just reverse Groundhog Day and wake up every day thinking it was the day you were set to read only while the rest of the world went on as usual I'm hard light all night long, no need to sleep
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Feb 18, 2016 00:44
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