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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

never had a problem w/ uplay

# ? Jul 23, 2016 02:20

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Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
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Same, because ubisoft haven't released a game worth playing since prince of persia sands of time in 2003

# ? Jul 23, 2016 11:23

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

anthonypants posted:

someone made a vulkan port of quake https://github.com/Novum/vkQuake

# ? Jul 23, 2016 15:57

The_Franz: Aug 8, 2003

dolphin's vulkan renderer is now feature complete. even in it's beta state without performance tuning people are already reporting it being faster than the dx12 renderer

# ? Jul 23, 2016 16:01

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Mr Dog posted:

i really don't see the market niche that dedicated linux gaming pcs (lmao) are going to fill

if you want to buy a box and play video games on it and generally not give a poo poo you buy a ps4

if you want to have a riced out cutting edge gaming platform you buy a windows 10 gaming pc from whatever the best parts are this week

whether you want to do vr or not doesn't really have much bearing one way or the other on that decision

you don't see the niche because the niche doesn't exist yet. there's a chicken/egg problem there. valve is making GBS threads out chickens and we'll see if any eggs come along. a steam console might actually be a legit alternative to a ps4 or a windows 10 "gaming pc"

the controller is already a huge step forward, even if the rest of the initiative fails. just having the steam controller makes playing pc games on your couch viable.

Mr Dog posted:

yes valve wants to have their own home turf independent of microsoft but how they're going to twist the arms of publishers into going along with this idea is not very clear, especially since those publishers are increasingly turning to things like uplay and origin in the hopes of not having to give a gigantic 30% cut of all their revenue to valve in exchange for basically running a cdn with bells on it

do you think uplay and origin are actually working out for them?

# ? Jul 23, 2016 16:53

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

is the controller not garbage? i just kind of assumed it'd blow rear end and i've heard so little about it that i figured that was the case

# ? Jul 23, 2016 16:57

The_Franz: Aug 8, 2003

Bloody posted:

is the controller not garbage? i just kind of assumed it'd blow rear end and i've heard so little about it that i figured that was the case

initial impressions with the default settings were kind of bad, but it's apparently pretty good if the game has a tuned profile.

even if it sucks for whatever you are playing, xbox, ps and wii controllers "just work" on linux/steamos without any extra drivers or loving around.

# ? Jul 23, 2016 17:09

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Bloody posted:

is the controller not garbage? i just kind of assumed it'd blow rear end and i've heard so little about it that i figured that was the case

it is surprisingly good.

the mouse emulation is much better than one would expect.

# ? Jul 23, 2016 17:17

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

The_Franz posted:

initial impressions with the default settings were kind of bad, but it's apparently pretty good if the game has a tuned profile.

even if it sucks for whatever you are playing, xbox, ps and wii controllers "just work" on linux/steamos without any extra drivers or loving around.

it's ok without any "special" tuning

the main thing you need out of the game is that it needs to support simultaneous mouse and gamepad input, so that you can have one touchpad do mouse emulation while the rest of the gamepad works ... as a gamepad.

# ? Jul 23, 2016 17:18

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

you don't see the niche because the niche doesn't exist yet. there's a chicken/egg problem there. valve is making GBS threads out chickens and we'll see if any eggs come along. a steam console might actually be a legit alternative to a ps4 or a windows 10 "gaming pc"

ps4 and windows 10 scare quote gaming pcs un scare quote have games. steam on linux does not. there would be a marginal business case for publishers to release games on linux if apple didn't gotta apple and actually supported vulkan natively on osx (because at that point the difference between linux and osx is basically just a tiny piece of boilerplate that you'd let sdl2 deal with), but of course they won't because they're the consumer world's new microsoft

steam controller is interesting because it kinda unifies the platform between deskgames and couchgames a little better. ps4 doesn't really go after that market segment. but all that will do is strength steam on windows. remember, you yourself are the one who says that everybody has their own killer app, and if somebody plays 5 games regularly and only 4 of them have been ported to linux so far then they ain't gonna move to linux.

there's a small linux zealot customer base but they are statistically insignificant, and courting those sorts of customers is a horrible idea anyway because you're never ideologically pure enough for them so they'll spend most of their energy publicly making GBS threads on your brand instead of promoting it even if you bend over backwards to please them. also zealotry doesn't pay the bills, there's that too.

# ? Jul 23, 2016 17:51

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Mr Dog posted:

ps4 and windows 10 scare quote gaming pcs un scare quote have games. steam on linux does not

you are describing the chicken/egg issue: there's no reason for publishers to care until there's already a reason for publishers to care. i'm not sure what valve is doing to get publishers on the platform, but whatever it is, it seems to be working

steam on linux has more titles right now today than ps4.

granted like half of them are anime butt pillow simulator 2015 or something, but there's a non-trivial number of titles. even a handful of AAAs

# ? Jul 23, 2016 18:35

MeruFM: Jul 27, 2010

I liked it when doom got 15 more fps. I'll wait and see how this pans out. mite b cool

ps4 vs linux gaming is a stupid comparison
if you do play games on a pc, there's no reason to use linux over windows because the cost of switching between the two is free or a copy of windows which is basically free. playable windows games is a superset of games playable on linux

there is reason to use a PS4 though. Switching between ps4 and pc is not free. PS4 also has a nicer interface for games, native ps4 controller support, and a pseudo-guarantee that games will run at an acceptable level.
it also has games PC does not

# ? Jul 24, 2016 02:31

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

well, linux makes it possible to game on pc without using windows, and that's a worthy goal in itself

# ? Jul 24, 2016 10:41

Panty Saluter: Jan 17, 2004; Making learning fun!

Tankakern posted:

well, linux makes it possible to game on pc without using windows, and that's a worthy goal in itself

Also it means you can save money on headphones/ speakers etc.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 13:35

Agile Vector: May 21, 2007; scrum bored

Panty Saluter posted:

Also it means you can save money on headphones/ speakers etc.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 13:43

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

Panty Saluter posted:

Also it means you can save money on headphones/ speakers etc.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 14:14

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

Panty Saluter posted:

ALSA it means you can save money on headphones/ speakers etc.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 14:33

Panty Saluter: Jan 17, 2004; Making learning fun!

akadajet posted:

# ? Jul 24, 2016 15:04

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

MeruFM posted:

PS4 also has a nicer interface for games, native ps4 controller support, and a pseudo-guarantee that games will run at an acceptable level.

this is the whole point of valve's linux os. it boots directly into steam's couch/tv mode and it has native support for the steam controller

pc-like performance without pc-like hassle

# ? Jul 24, 2016 16:30

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

lol

# ? Jul 24, 2016 16:31

Panty Saluter: Jan 17, 2004; Making learning fun!

you heard it here first folks: linux is the way to avoiding pc hassle

# ? Jul 24, 2016 16:33

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

yep that is what valve is pitching

we'll see if it pans out i guess

# ? Jul 24, 2016 16:36

Satellit3: Oct 21, 2008

Panty Saluter posted:

Also it means you can save money on headphones/ speakers etc.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 16:43

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

i mean don't get me wrong i would dearly love to banish windows from my life forever but steamos is about as likely to succeed as endless mobile is (sorry suspicious dish)

# ? Jul 24, 2016 17:46

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Mr Dog posted:

i mean don't get me wrong i would dearly love to banish windows from my life forever but steamos is about as likely to succeed as endless mobile is (sorry suspicious dish)

it looks to me like steamos is failing and nobody is buying steam boxes

but, at the same time, more and more titles are available on linux

i don't know what to think

# ? Jul 24, 2016 19:13

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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i spent today writing a vulkan test app. it took me 2,000 lines of code to get a spinning cube on screen, an improvement over the official example i was working from which managed 3,000. mine only displays the blue channel though, so more fool me.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 23:31

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

josh04 posted:

i spent today writing a vulkan test app. it took me 2,000 lines of code to get a spinning cube on screen, an improvement over the official example i was working from which managed 3,000. mine only displays the blue channel though, so more fool me.

why aren't you using all the great vulkan middleware!?

# ? Jul 24, 2016 23:34

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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like nvidia's stunning c++ wrapper, which turns this:

code:

VkImageCreateInfo ci;
ci.sType = VK_STRUCTURE_TYPE_IMAGE_CREATE_INFO;
ci.pNext = nullptr;
ci.flags = � some flags...;
ci.imageType = VK_IMAGE_TYPET_2D;
ci.format = VK_FORMAT_R8G8B8A8_UNORM;
ci.extent = VkExtent3D { width, height, 1 };
ci.mipLevels = 1;
ci.arrayLayers = 1;
ci.samples = VK_SAMPLE_COUNT_1_BIT;
ci.tiling = VK_IMAGE_TILING_OPTIMAL;
ci.usage = VK_IMAGE_USAGE_COLOR_ATTACHMENT_BIT;
ci.sharingMode = VK_SHARING_MODE_EXCLUSIVE;
ci.queueFamilyIndexCount = 0;
ci.pQueueFamilyIndices = 0;
ci.initialLayout = VK_IMAGE_LAYOUT_UNDEFINED;
vkCreateImage(device, &ci, allocator, &image));

into merely this:

code:

vk::ImageCreateInfo ci;
ci.flags(...some flags�);
ci.imageType(vk::ImageType::e2D);
ci.format(vk::Format::eR8G8B8A8Unorm);
ci.extent(vk::Extent3D { width, height, 1 });
ci.mipLevels(1);
ci.arrayLayers(1);
ci.samples(1);
ci.tiling(vk::ImageTiling::eOptimal);
ci.usage(vk::ImageUsage::eColorAttachment);
ci.sharingMode(vk::SharingMode::eExclusive);
  // ci.queueFamilyIndexCount(0)	// no need to set, already initialized
  // ci.pQueueFamilyIndices(0)	// no need to set, already initialized
ci.initialLayout(vk::ImageLayout::eUndefined);
vk::createImage(device, &ci, allocator, &image));

# ? Jul 25, 2016 00:08

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

bah, the point is getting real C++11 support with the features and safeguards that entails with virtually no overhead

# ? Jul 25, 2016 14:46

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
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akadajet posted:

Panty Saluter posted:

# ? Jul 26, 2016 02:00

PleasureKevin: Jan 2, 2011

I have SteamOS and it's as good as having a new console a few months after release, library-wise.

however some of that library requires you to stand up, walk across the room, and fiddle with a mouse to press "launch" on the screen while kneeling uncomfortably on laminate flooring. for some reason 5% of games have a setting window before launch.

also, even some valve games aren't key mapped fully. no sprint or flashlight button in half life 2 unless you go plug in a mouse and set it up.

# ? Jul 26, 2016 08:57