|
Zelda has become pretty far removed from itself along with most other Nintendo franchises; they're at the point of nothing more than famous names to bank off their success with new smaller ideas to ride the coattails. At the very least even if they are shells it's neat to see Nintendo experimenting with all kinds of styles. I could just imagine though what this game would be like if they treated it as its own game; to go full on with the style at a level of Grim Fandango or Guacamelee without any Zelda baggage. It's something I've only seen developers like Looking Glass do; their consistency was based more around their engine rather than settings or characters; they made System Shock, then Thief with the same engine. They could do the same with Zelda. RasterPunk fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Feb 20, 2016 |
#
¿
Feb 20, 2016 19:43
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ Apr 28, 2024 15:32 |
|
|
In Trifoce Heroes that text flying across the screen is something I've seen a lot with some of the Japanese apps I've been using.There's one that does news and stuff and it'd feature all their comments flying right to left like that. I wonder if it's just a thing with them; an unusual choice for a video game considering it's covering most of the screen. It's busy to look at even with phones. At least there's a button to shut it off. 
|
|
#
¿
Feb 20, 2016 20:43
|
|
|
RareAcumen posted:What? The core gameplay is pretty faithful and perfectly enjoyable for any generation. My perspective on this is personal, holds no water on a business standpoint, and does not speak for everyone. The following is what goes on in my head whenever I encounter this. Zelda still plays like Zelda, but something feels wrong about this. The moment Twilight Princess came along is the moment I thought "This Zelda game would probably have been a lot more interesting if it wasn't Zelda". It's a new adventure, but why is it so predictable? Why does it feel fake this time? Okami could be considered a game just like Zelda to the point you could fool a person into believing it was a Nintendo game, so why did I enjoy it if I can't enjoy a new Zelda game? This is pretty typical symptom when following decade long franchises. I had recently just discovered Hunter x Hunter 1999 a year ago and watched it all the way to Greed Island where it pseudo ends. I'd then pick up the series with Hunter x Hunter 2011 skipping all the way up to the Chimera Ant arc which picks up where 1999 left off. What was once Dragonball meets Yu-Gi-Oh became Starship Troopers 2 meets Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure; edgy, dark, disgusting, and Xtreme. It's a natural phenomenon, certain flavors of ideas and execution are a product of who the artists were during their age, what they were exposed to during the 1990's vs 2010's, and aesthetics affected by limitations. So why would I like Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure in all its darkness and edginess, but not Hunter x Hunter 2011? Because that's what Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure was, but what Hunter x Hunter became; it mutated more than it developed; it's like a friend being switched out for someone else, but pretending to be the old friend; it's uncanny and empty. It makes me wish Hunter x Hunter just ended; at least the ending of Greed Island 2000 could be considered a good enough ending. The Chimera Ant arc was really enjoyable and a surprisingly touching ending which is why I pretend it's entirely its own show beginning to end. I feel the same way about Zelda; I considered Skyward Sword the end of the franchise for me as it felt like it wrapped everything up by giving all my previous adventures context. Long running franchises mutated by the times often feels like remakes to me; they become so mutated they no longer contain the same charm that made me like them. It's why I often prefer something new since it won't become a post-modern version of something I had already seen. I watch a lot of anime like Hunter x Hunter and play a lot of games like Zelda; all it really needs to retain the same mechanics of those adventures so that they can create a completely new adventure. With Zelda its story is so disgustingly cliche and transparent, just like Mario it's become nothing more than a meme; content almost made to be dropped and forgotten like some kind of excuse because we need those brand names. I've been disgruntled with Resident Evil for a good while and during Revelation 2 I chuckled at all of Barry's nods to his old character, but at the same time thinking "man I just wish I could have a new franchise instead."; I no longer felt like I was playing Resident Evil, I felt like I was playing a Resident Evil meme. That's what all these games feel like to me; Zelda, Mario, Kirby, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, etc. Cowboy Bebop is one of my most favorite shows because it ended and never came back. A long way of explaining why this particular person is usually never excited about most sequels, additions, and/or remakes especially with this particular game. There's no solution for this, these franchises will continue to run like they are since new players born every year will experience these as if they were new adventures, it's just this 90's kid who has to look elsewhere for new adventures. Thus why a person like me would say "I wish Triforce Heroes wasn't a Zelda game." (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
¿
Feb 22, 2016 23:46
|
|
|
I keep forgetting why I prefer in-person debates over internet debates. Some people are making good points against me, but there's so much I want to clarify because my main point is being missed; imagine if Pikmen was another Mario spinoff or if Splatoon was another Metroid spinoff rather than a whole new set of stories, worlds, and characters. I stated this didn't hold water on a business standpoint, but it's sad to see franchises stagnate over decades rather than companies make new worlds running on old engines. In other words, why Disney's sequels always sucked, but despite repetitive princess story formulas, their new movies all felt unique and interesting; not much different from a new story with old game engines. Kind of like Grimrock; rather than a Lands of Lore or Stonekeep remake/sequel for all the "nostalgic goodness" it's its own thing, but practically the same game. However if some people are just going to be all "Ha Ha you're crazy get therapy" I'm dropping this thread before this gets worse; you guys are clearly eager for a pissing contest. Let's not let this blow up into a distraction from the let's play for everyone else so keep whatever quips or debates you have to this short. I've written articles worth of all my points so cya later, let's enjoy the rest of this playthrough it's just getting started.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 23, 2016 04:31
|
|
|
Crane Fist posted:It's not so much that we're eager for a pissing contest and more that your post reads like a schizophrenic writing a letter campaign to demand Nintendo rename the Zelda games That's what you call schizophrenia? Expressing opinions? I'm making demands? Talking about preferences is making demands? Where in my comment did I say "Nintendo should", the most demanding is when I said is "I wish". Besides this wasn't even about Nintendo, this is about decades running franchises in general and how they mutate in a way that some old fans find them hard to enjoy. it was meant to strike up conversation about how we feel about that, not spend time making fun of the writer because his comments are too long. If it was too long or unclear, you could have asked for clarification or like some others, argue about points they did understand, rather than the bone headed reply of "get therapy". Almost like you're just trying to start an argument... If your opinion is something like "I prefer the Zelda franchise to stick around because I still like it and want to see it continue" then you could have said that. Disagreements don't have to be insults.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 23, 2016 06:49
|
|
|
RareAcumen posted:Have you not been on the internet? I can see that you haven't been on SA for that long but how are you this thin-skinned? I joked, and asked a question about what you feel about it because I have a low attention span, am not very smart, and do what to figure out some part of that wall of words that your opinion is tangled in. Thin skin? Does my writing style make me sound wussy or something? I've been in internet debates for over a decade and when most replies start with talking about the man more than the argument that's when I know it's going to be a waste of time. This isn't the YouTube comment section, I don't want to derail this thread trying to clarify everything I said because people are too lazy to read. Especially when the conversation became more about a user, not Zelda; staying on point is one of the rules here on Something Awful. At least you were on point when you replied. At the very least this is the last time I try to debate something on the internet, I prefer in-person debates. I wanted to delete that original comment anyway. RasterPunk fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Feb 23, 2016 |
|
#
¿
Feb 23, 2016 06:57
|
|
|
Kurieg posted:You came into a Zelda thread and said "Boy I sure do wish Nintendo would stop making sequels" and specifically instructed people not to engage with you. Yeah? And? That's just like, my opinion man. And it still stands, but I'm not going to Nintendo making any demands. I've made no demands towards any developer. And again, this wasn't the point of my comment. Also I said this: My perspective on this is personal, holds no water on a business standpoint, and does not speak for everyone. That last one was very important. Basically "This is my opinion, I understand why sequels should remain, this is not how everyone feels."
|
|
#
¿
Feb 23, 2016 07:21
|
|
|
RareAcumen posted:The part where you made an effortpost that was kinda rambly and seemed to lose itself eliciting two and a half low-effort 'laughing at you' posts being enough to make you wanna abandon the thread is the part I'm talking about. You also seemed to miss the part where people were asking you questions beyond just laughing at your post which seems to be very much 'I miss when new IPs were made, now it's like Mario's a comic book character or a Barbie doll, he just does whatever anywhere! He went to space, he was made outta paper, he's a basketball player, and Olympic athlete, and a hotel manager! What's next? Little Mac's Mech Adventure? My point: My opinion has no business sense, this is just how I feel. What if Pikmen was just a Mario Spinoff? What if Splatoon was just a Metroid Spinoff? What if Triforce Heroes was actually something new like Pikemen or Splatoon? I don't like stagnation. This is just like, my opinion man. Honestly this whole thing happened because I can't delete comments on Something Awful, so I just tried to explain myself after I was questioned. I didn't expect my long comment would trigger this kind of response it's quite surprising. Definitely the last time I do this, I'll stick to fan art. I prefer to debate in person.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 23, 2016 07:37
|
|
'
|
Kurieg posted:No one expects Nintendo to listen to you because that's an impossible demand to make. We aren't judging you for that. That makes perfect sense I didn't realize certain people wouldn't have seen certain shows. It also seems nobody likes bolds and underlines; I tried to highlight because the post is long, but perhaps long posts like that are a sign of rambling and highlighting is insulting to the reader. I started talking about other franchises because they were examples of how I felt about Zelda due to what was happening to them as well when they ran for so long. My feelings are less about Nintendo and Zelda and more about how I prefer new stuff with old tricks because remakes and sequels of old stuff can't really replicate the same charm. But in the end...that's actually a pretty dumb topic because its just subjective stuff. I can see now how badly I hosed that up, thank you for making that clear in justifying a lot of people's responses. RasterPunk fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Feb 23, 2016 |
|
#
¿
Feb 23, 2016 07:50
|
|
|
ThornBrain posted:For future reference for everyone: you're all nerds and losers. Acting like you're cooler or more knowledgeable than any other nerd or loser is a pointless exercise. It just emphasizes how we're all just different types of nerds and losers. Now go forth and never waste this much space in one of my or anyone else's threads again. I'll keep this as a lesson for life in general.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 23, 2016 08:06
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ Apr 28, 2024 15:32 |
|
|
evilspacehopper posted:So I have Tri-Force Heroes and I've never had anyone I can play with so I've stuck to randoms and single player. So far this LP has taught me that both friends and strangers alike will always throw you off a cliff. That's what I'm taking away from all of this. It's a hyrulian exercise; they say it builds character and there might be treasure down there.
|
|
#
¿
Feb 23, 2016 19:21
|
|