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South Africa's ratings system has little letters on the ratings symbol that specify why that film got that rating. A film with strong language might get a 13 L rating. Back in my day there were 4 categories: Language Sex Nudity Violence Now there are 11 mandatory categories and 2 optional ones (blasphemy and photo sensitivity). So one of the most complex ratings you can get for a film in South Africa is "18 L S SV N V D H P CT IAT CI B PPS" That has to go on the poster. Kinda useful though. My parents wouldn't give a single poo poo about language, for instance. Here's an odd thing: SA's got 18, X and XX ratings. X is for hardcore porn, XX is for messed up poo poo which you can bring into the country (from Germany?) but can't buy or sell here. Films with an 18 rating can, if the channel wants to, be shown on free-to-air channels post-watershed. One of our channels broadcast softcore on Saturday nights. For some reason hentai usually gets an 18 instead of an X, so technically you can legally broadcast La Blue Girl on FTA TV in SA.
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I love the alternate TV-friendly takes some movies in the 80s did. Ghostbusters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDOi034BEJY Vacation:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5yyepQgRQ8 And apparently for Return of the Living Dead, in which one character wears a jacket with "gently caress You" written on the back, they filmed some alternate takes with a jacket reading "TV Version."
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Feb 18, 2016 09:58
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The bait and switch directors do with the MPAA is interesting. I gotta wonder if some of these jokes just flew over the heads of reviewers. The MPAA panel members don't seem like the hippest bunch.
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Feb 18, 2016 14:24
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:I'm not really sure why Hillary gets so worked up about children and video games. It just seems like a relic of the moral panic about video games in the 90s with things like DOOM and Mortal Kombat.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Do non-pornographic movies still get released with an X rating? It looks like X got changed to NC-17 for mainstream movies after the 70s and 80s in the U.S., but there's still an informal use of X and XXX ratings for softcore and hardcore pornography respectively. The split in commercial mainstream and pornographic film from the 1970s seems interesting. X was not trademarked by the MPAA, the idea being that if a company knew their film would probably get an X anyway, they could save everyone the time/effort of reviewing it and self-rate the film. Since X wasn't trademarked, porn companies would try to show off how raunchy their never-submitted-for-approval movie was by putting additional X's on the promotional material. "Hey, if Deep Throat only got one X and this has 3 Xs, it must be really explicit" was the line of thinking. Once the X rating became more associated with porn than films like Midnight Cowboy, A Clockwork Orange, and Evil Dead; (and when porn started to go out of fashion) theaters started banning X rated films. Eventually the MPAA realized their mistake and created NC-17 so you could (in theory) still have wide releases of non-pornographic films with extreme content, like the original cut of Robocop. Unfortunately, the movie theaters collectively went "oh, NC-17 is the new X? Ban them too, we don't want people thinking we're showing porn". Now its usually in a director's contract that they will turn in an R (or less) rated film. As to porn theaters, keep in mind that cultural attitudes about sex aren't a straight line. People push boundaries continually and then it hits a tipping point and a bunch of people go "we've gone too far!" and retreat a bit. The overall trend has been pushing towards more openness about sex since longer than anyone has been alive, but the double whammy of Reagan and AIDS was definitely a valley.
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I find it amusing that "rear end" is usually not censored, but the "hole" in "rear end in a top hat" is bleeped out. Just...why?
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Feb 18, 2016 19:47
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YeahTubaMike posted:I find it amusing that "rear end" is usually not censored, but the "hole" in "rear end in a top hat" is bleeped out. Just...why? People usually find the hole raunchier than the buttock, I'd imagine.
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Feb 18, 2016 19:51
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BrigadierSensible posted:Some old favourites: 1) When they replace swear words with other dubbed words for TV broadcast. A particular favourite of mine is "Monkey Feather" for Motherfucker. Or "This is what you get when you meet a stranger in the Alps!" Too lazy to track down a dubbed version, but this scene always yielded some hilarious dub over attempts for broadcast TV just for the physical aspect 
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Feb 18, 2016 19:53
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STOP BREAKING THE LAW GRASSMOW
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Cat Hatter posted:X was not trademarked by the MPAA, the idea being that if a company knew their film would probably get an X anyway, they could save everyone the time/effort of reviewing it and self-rate the film. Since X wasn't trademarked, porn companies would try to show off how raunchy their never-submitted-for-approval movie was by putting additional X's on the promotional material. "Hey, if Deep Throat only got one X and this has 3 Xs, it must be really explicit" was the line of thinking. Once the X rating became more associated with porn than films like Midnight Cowboy, A Clockwork Orange, and Evil Dead; (and when porn started to go out of fashion) theaters started banning X rated films. Eventually the MPAA realized their mistake and created NC-17 so you could (in theory) still have wide releases of non-pornographic films with extreme content, like the original cut of Robocop. Unfortunately, the movie theaters collectively went "oh, NC-17 is the new X? Ban them too, we don't want people thinking we're showing porn". Now its usually in a director's contract that they will turn in an R (or less) rated film. Sex is...a bizarre thing in America. We are, as a culture, getting increasingly further away from puritanical nonsense but the purity police still have an absurd amount of control and influence. The 1960's and 1970's actually completely failed to make sex totally open for a lot of reasons but were an indication of the increasing trend toward treating sex less as some icky, strange thing and more like just a natural thing that people do. It's worth nothing that it wasn't until The Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and loving Three that the SCOTUS finally ended sodomy laws entirely, once and for all. Though most states had removed their sodomy laws very few states legalized consensual butt sex between adults before 1970. Pornography is still coming under fire even though the SCOTUS also ruled that people can watch all the porn they want in the privacy of their own homes. Plus look at how much of a meltdown the nation goes into if a woman's nipple is seen on public TV. You can gun down 5,000 people on your show but you can't say gently caress or show a boob because that would be immoral.
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Scalding Coffee posted:Censorship means you have control over people and content. What Socialist turns down controlling how people are supposed to think and act when votes are on the line?  YeahTubaMike posted:I find it amusing that "rear end" is usually not censored, but the "hole" in "rear end in a top hat" is bleeped out. Just...why? An rear end is just a poor animal! rear end tends to get thrown around in TV a fair amount, look at Red in That 70s Show. At least once an episode he'd threaten to shove his foot up someone's rear end and nobody found it offensive.
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Feb 18, 2016 21:21
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Watching Office Space on Comedy Central when it gets to the scenes accompanied to drat It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta and Die Motherfucker by Geto Boys is certainly something. The soundtrack turns into incoherent scratching.
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BrigadierSensible posted:When they replace swear words with other dubbed words for TV broadcast. A particular favourite of mine is "Monkey Feather" for Motherfucker. Or "This is what you get when you meet a stranger in the Alps!"
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Feb 18, 2016 22:20
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It's interesting to speculate how streaming affects censorship and the MPAA . how much sway is it going to have when most of this media is easier to access?
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Around here all the radio stations have different words they have to censor. One is allowed to say bitch, another isn't. One is allowed to say rear end and another one isn't. It's weird when there's a song that is popular so plays on 4 stations but each station has a different version. I also REALLY hate censorship of rap songs. Some songs it's just like "I like bad *SILENCE* that's my *SILENCE* problem, and yeah I like to *SILENCE* I got a *SILENCE* problem!" And in some songs they straight up change the words. For example they started censoring bitch to "bad bad". Like, "she's a bad bad and she know it." With some songs when I finally heard the real version I was like  because it was so different from the radio version.
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Feb 19, 2016 00:11
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Pixeltendo posted:My favorite has to be the insane reaches 4kids went to making One Piece "family-friendly" this included replacing cigars with lollipops and a blunderbuss with a completely made up thingamajig. They also showed one episode of Escaflowne where they didn't cut anything, they just blacked out the shots where the pilots of the good mech thingies were all bloodying and dying in close up. But they kept the audio.
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Panfilo posted:It's interesting to speculate how streaming affects censorship and the MPAA . how much sway is it going to have when most of this media is easier to access? I expect you'll still see it play an important role like how the ESRB does for games, but be less of a killer budget wise. I think most of the streaming services have "kids" mode to keep parents from freaking out, and have the ability to limit based on rating, so most of the concern about showing NC-17 films is lessened. However, I don't think theaters are going away anytime soon, and that'll still be limiting. But for TV shows and things like that, you can already see that they are fine showing HBO level stuff, and are not penned into the rules of broadcast TV. Additionally interesting, the streaming services are not stopped themselves from rejecting things. For example, Steam does not allow erotic games at all, and will require developers patch out explicit sexual content. But of course, that doesn't stop you from going to the developer's site and getting a patch to patch it back in, usually for free...
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Thin Privilege posted:I also REALLY hate censorship of rap songs. Some songs it's just like "I like bad *SILENCE* that's my *SILENCE* problem, and yeah I like to *SILENCE* I got a *SILENCE* problem!" And in some songs they straight up change the words. For example they started censoring bitch to "bad bad". Like, "she's a bad bad and she know it." With some songs when I finally heard the real version I was like Seems like most people think "she aint messin with no broke, broke" is the original lyric
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One of the Gundam shows had one of the mobile suits get shot to hell in the background (we can't have war in a war program) and the obvious censor was a patch of trees taking its place and getting shot up instead. It was the same one that had the disco ball gun.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It's worth nothing that it wasn't until The Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and loving Three that the SCOTUS finally ended sodomy laws entirely, once and for all. Though most states had removed their sodomy laws very few states legalized consensual butt sex between adults before 1970. Pornography is still coming under fire even though the SCOTUS also ruled that people can watch all the porn they want in the privacy of their own homes. Some states, specifically Michigan, have made new, unconstitutional sodomy laws THIS MONTH and attached them to anti-bestiality bills. Oral and anal sex are both illegal between ALL people there now, regardless of marriage status.
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Here's some thoughts and trivia about censorship: 1) When I bought The Witcher from Good Old Games, I was surprised to find that for some reason my copy of it was censored - ie, the 'sex cards' were edited and more covered up than in the original game. This is apparently because Australia needed this to be done in order to allow the game to be released (probably because they don't/didn't have an 18+ rating for games, is my guess). The strange thing is: I don't live in Australia. I live in New Zealand, which is completely independent of Australia nad has a completely independent (and thankfully much more reasonable) ratings and censorship board, and which does have an 18+ rating for games, so this seemed really bizarre. 2) This is probably not news to anyone, but Japanese porn censorship laws are absolutely insane. Genitals must be censored... but other than that, you can film the most hosed-up poo poo. I've heard that this is in part where the obsession with tentacle porn comes from: tentacles are not, strictly speaking, genitals, so you can show those ok. Even if they look an awful lot like genitals. 3) The old CGI TV show 'Reboot' apparently struggled constantly with the BS&P (Broadcasting Standards and Practices board), which restricted them in all sorts of ways. All sorts of bizarre requirements were meted out, such as having basically no violence, no hint of sexuality, or anything. One of the most notorious examples is forbidding the creators from showing a character (Dot) giveing a kiss to her younger brother (Enzo) on his birthday - apparently because it 'promoted incenst'. In the words of the creators, this suggestion by the BS&P was "one of the sickest things I've ever heard." In response to the constant demands by the BS&P, the show creators started put in-show references to them. Some great examples include: - In one episode, the protagonist, Bob, was supposed to leap from the back of a dragon, through a stained glass window, and then start fighting a skeleton. The BS&P refused to allow the creators to show this, saying that jumping through a window would make children emulate the same thing. So in the episode, Bob leaps from the dragon's back, and, in mid-air, issues the following instruction to his wrist computer (Glitch): "Glitch, BS&P!". Glitch teleports him safely to the other side of the window and the scene continues as planned. - In the Talent Night episode, a band sings a song called BSnP (to the tune of YMCA), with the following lyrics: "Cause we're livin' with B S 'n' P! Yeah, we're livin' with B S 'n' P! Oh, it's fun to play in the nonviolent way, In the nonviolent way! Yeah! We're livin' with B S 'n' P! Cause we're livin' with B S 'n' P! Hey, it's fun to play in the nonviolent way, In the nonviolent way!" - The cityscape lights in the background of one episode spell out (in binary): "gently caress you, broadcast standards" Note that after season 2, Reboot moved to a different network and were free of the more restrictive BS&P demands. Incidientally, the show got really good around this time too.
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Jmcrofts posted:Seems like most people think "she aint messin with no broke, broke" is the original lyric Wait, it's 'broke broke' and not 'broke bloke'?
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My favorite was during the filming of Bulletproof Monk they decided to go from an R rating to a PG/PG13 because the studio thought it was more marketable to teens that way. They had this issue however, one of the characters was named Mr. Fucktastic and featured a giant tattoo of his name on his chest. Their solution was to rename him to Mr Funktastic and then superglue a giant bling necklace to his chest in order to hide it. This also lead to them cutting a scene they had already filmed because of said tattoo that makes the end of the movie much more coherent and enjoyable.
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foobardog posted:
gently caress that stage. It being in Hell makes so much sense.
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Thin Privilege posted:Around here all the radio stations have different words they have to censor. One is allowed to say bitch, another isn't. One is allowed to say rear end and another one isn't. It's weird when there's a song that is popular so plays on 4 stations but each station has a different version. I heard a radio edit of Power by Kanye West late last year, and I thought it was loving hilarious because like half the song wasn't there.
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Soul Reaver posted:2) This is probably not news to anyone, but Japanese porn censorship laws are absolutely insane. Genitals must be censored... but other than that, you can film the most hosed-up poo poo. I've heard that this is in part where the obsession with tentacle porn comes from: tentacles are not, strictly speaking, genitals, so you can show those ok. Even if they look an awful lot like genitals. That law was introduced by the Allied occupation, so the US military is responsible for tentacle porn. I think that merits a war crimes tribunal.
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Happy Landfill posted:Sailor Moon The dub from the 90s didn't do a thing about the animation. So you get things like the talent line. In the original it's blatantly about bust size, but the dub just makes it sound like a euphemism since the visual is the same. There was also attempting to censor how gay Sailor Moon gets. The character Zoicite was changed from a dude to a girl but that wasn't that blatant since he already looked androgynous. No, worse is how they tried to hide the blatantly romantic relationship between Uranus and Neptune. By making them cousins instead. But since they didn't change the animation, they're cousins who are very touchy-feely and gaze longingly into each others' eyes.
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Considering some states allow you to marry your cousin, some people might not look poorly on that.  
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Panfilo posted:It's interesting to speculate how streaming affects censorship and the MPAA . how much sway is it going to have when most of this media is easier to access? I think its hard to tell at this point. One of the reasons that Playboy cited for ditching nudity is that most social media outlets group things into "Adult Content" and "Everything Else", besides the fact that a lot of advertisers don't want to be in a "girly mag" even if its only slightly more explicit than National Geographic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqRdT8m1Suo I guess Galaxy Quest wanted to go to a PG-13 from an R, so they had to rework a few things, including removing drug stuff and possibly one of the worse audio cover ups.
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It is interesting how most descriptions of 'nudity' in films tend to be limited to 'boobs' or 'butt crack'. If a guy is shirtless, or in his underpants, does the MPAA still consider this nudity? What about a woman breastfeeding a baby? You rarely see genitalia in major Hollywood films. For men, you might have a split second of seeing wang, but it is usually played up for comedic effect; Watchmen really surprised me in that they kept Dr. Manhattan pretty much 'as is'. With women, they'll show pubes, but aside from stuff like Fatal Attraction you never really see labia or anything like that. So its funny how broadly they end up defining 'nudity'.
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Woolie Wool posted:That law was introduced by the Allied occupation, so the US military is responsible for tentacle porn. I think that merits a war crimes tribunal. Yeah Japan was weird about tentacles way, way before that. Check out "The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife." Two octopuses, a father and son, doing the fisherman's wife.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The dub from the 90s didn't do a thing about the animation. So you get things like the talent line. In the original it's blatantly about bust size, but the dub just makes it sound like a euphemism since the visual is the same. One thing that shocked me about the translation of Sailor Moon was DiC's handling of Nephrite/Neflite's death. He gets impaled on a plant monster's vine tentacles after making some steps toward not being a bad guy. The only change I think they made was turning his blood green. Its still a man impaled, bleeding everywhere, and dying in the arms of a weeping girl while every other villain "sleeps forever" or disappears. It blew my loving mind when I was a kid.
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Panfilo posted:It is interesting how most descriptions of 'nudity' in films tend to be limited to 'boobs' or 'butt crack'. If a guy is shirtless, or in his underpants, does the MPAA still consider this nudity? What about a woman breastfeeding a baby? On that note, why are female butts considered more risqué than male butts and thus censored more often, especially on TV? Men's butts can be pretty much be a clean butt (  ) of a joke or sight gag while women's butts are seen as inherently sexual. It's a double standard. Something something male gaze....Butts. 
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:On that note, why are female butts considered more risqué than male butts and thus censored more often, especially on TV? You answered your own question.
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Feb 19, 2016 06:00
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Men's butts and men's nipples being okay goes into the big mess that is the ingrained misogyny in society that makes women into sex objects. Men's bodies aren't a problem because men are considered the default, and of course men aren't attracted to other men, etc. A woman's body is what the 'default person' is considered to be attracted to, so they are inherently more sexual.
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Tiggum posted:You answered your own question. Hypothetically, what would help change things censor-wise to be more gender neutral, so to speak?
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There was Censorship in the Cardcaptor Sakura series when that was dubbed too, which made it largely incoherent. Mostly in the romances: 1)Li's 'sister' Mei Ling was actually his arranged bride, not his sister so her jealousy of Sakura makes more sense in the subbed version. 2) There were references early on when Li was first introduced that he may have been gay, he crushed pretty hard on Yukito (Sakura's crush) when he met him. He made him a lunch, and Tomoyo, Sakura's BFF, made a joke about him being a rivbal in more than just capturing cards. It was eventually revealed that he wasn't actually gay, he was attracted to Yukito because he was secretly a clow card guardian, the moon guardian Yue, so Li and Sakura were more attracted to the Moon Energy he gave off without realising it. Yukito didn't know this, he thought he was just a normal guy, and does so whenever he is Yukito. 3) There were numerous references to Li and Sakura being a thing, but as far as I could tell the dub made Li pretty much non-sexual so that aspect of the character was lost. The arc was supposed to culminate in Li giving Sakura a teddy bear before going back to China for the end of the first series, as giving someone a home-made teddybear (from a kit anyway) was a way of showing affection at Sakura's school.
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A dong is worse than boobs though. Seriously, a bunch of boobs in a movie, and it pretty much gets an R rated, but have a swinging dick, you're getting NC-17. Unless it's CGI and blue. One of the guys I was friends with in High School, his dad was an animator, and worked on touch ups on the Sailor Moon show, among others. He told us of all the background stuff like a store that clearly had gently caress written on its sign, and the obvious removal of any curves during the transformations. He told us that the Talent line was known among the staff and they pretty much knew that it actually made the scene worse. It is weird how just changing bloods colour makes it pass censors. He also worked on 92 Xmen, and lent me his copy of the series bible, including the do nots. These were stuff like no guns that look like real guns, all have to be futuristic; If you have a gun shoot, you cannot have it shoot and hit a person in the same shot, it has to be divided Wolverine could never use his claws on anyone, but robots and monsters were a-ok; Mystique could never change into a male and make any kind of romantic gestures towards female characters. There was pages of stuff like that, a lot of stuff to avoid as well, like try not to imply any intimate relationships between Jean and Scott and Rogue and Gambit. The weirdest one was they were never to refer to Magneto as a holocaust survivor or anything relating to that, not even make him Jewish, hence why he's always referred to as Magnus in the show.
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Practical Demon posted:Some states, specifically Michigan, have made new, unconstitutional sodomy laws THIS MONTH and attached them to anti-bestiality bills. Oral and anal sex are both illegal between ALL people there now, regardless of marriage status. Because, you know, it's not like they have more important things to attend to like the town that's been spewing nothing but lead water for two years. Edit for content: quote:Sailor Moon stuff You know, sometime I wonder how they would have even attempted editing Stars for tv, which, for those who don't know, features male characters that magically transform into women (it's not quite the same in the comic-- they are women who disguise themselves as men by just dressing as men...in the tv series their disguise is actually physical because of magic and stuff) I'm honestly not surprised they never bothered with it. Edit again: I wonder what they would have changed "Star Gentle Uterus" to
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