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Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

anilEhilated posted:

PiSsed is going to be Poland's default state for quite a while.

Thanks to Poland, I understand why "pissed" means both "angry" and "drunk".

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Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Thatim posted:

Basicly for most people here poland is the east-mostern civilized country, just barely. Behind that its only Mad Max in a snow setting.

Easternmost, and yeah describing Russia & "friends" as Snowy Mad Max seems accurate, everyone has seen the dashcam videos.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Thug Lessons posted:

It's apparently the primary achievement of Obama's policies as well because that's what any sane observer would expect Russians to conclude.

What is sane about concluding that Obama's policies is what determine the political alternative to Putin in Russia?

Is this one of those "nobody has agency outside of the Agency" posts?

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

sparatuvs posted:

guess what missile also uses 30 mm ball bearings

its a buk

No, you don't understand, it's the proof that an unpressurized, ground attack aircraft that is physically incapable of climbing to airliner altitude without killing its pilot has engaged in dogfight with an airliner.

There is a documentary about how it happened, except they put time travel in the mix for plausible deniability.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Thug Lessons posted:

Even if I grant all of this it doesn't change the situation much because the sanctions and oil price shock are still the proximate cause though not the ultimate. Were you saying that Putin isn't taking his fair share of the blame for the economy I could accept that, but what it seems like you're implying is that since Russia's economy is the underlying issue he should take most or all of the blame, which is nonsense. Russia simply would not be in an economic recession right now were it not the target of sanctions and economic pressure by the West and its allies, and you can't simply ignore this entirely to focus on structural issues or saying "well Putin was asking for it because of Ukraine".

Why not? Putin invaded Ukraine, seizing Crimea and setting up a puppet state in the Donbass. That got him sanctions. Then he made counter-sanctions that made things terrible for Russians. And you say it's all the West's fault?

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Rincewinds posted:

I guess that in Russia "1000 Ways to Die" feels rather bland.

You mean Dumb Ways to Die?

(Bodies don't explode in space!)

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Aumanor posted:

Eh, That's probably the first change introduced by the new government I agree with.

Are you a fan of loose cannons who don't play by the rules, but dammit, who get results?

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Lichtenstein posted:

Is he a Duda Assassination Attempt truther? Because I'm kinda enamored with the fact this is a thing that exists.

(for non-Pole goons: president's car caught a flat tire two days ago. It is Serious Business.)

Probably the same hitmen that got the contract on Nigel Farage's head.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

quote:

By the way, until now no one has presented real proof of the presence of the Russian Armed Forces in the Ukraine.
I guess the Russian Armed Forces personnel captured by Ukraine aren't proof enough.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Federalizing the European military poses a lot of problems.

The first: language. In the United States, English is basically everyone's native language; in Europe every country has its own language. You could still go with English since it's a common second language, but it'd be a second language. It's less of a problem at the officer level since they're supposed to have good education, including at least a couple of foreign languages.

The second: fragmented military industrial complex. Countries would never agree on their requirements, and when they do agree it's even worse because they'd fight to get stuff built by their own industries. For examples of the outcome, see NH90 Tiger and Eurofighter Typhoon.

The third: NATO. Most EU countries are also in NATO, and some of them would see a European unification of military forces as being either redundant with NATO, or detrimental to it.


There are certainly efforts that can be done (and are already done to some extent, see stuff like OCCAR or EATC) to rationalize European defense, but a federal army isn't going to be it, at least not anytime soon.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

redscare posted:

This is purely because of NATO (read: US protection) and has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU's military might or Putin's reluctance to start poo poo.

Just as a little reminder, two of the EU countries have their own nuclear deterrent, thank you very much.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

A Typical Goon posted:

A nuclear deterrent is pretty useless when you're going up against a country that has their own very large nuclear deterrent. Russia would wipe the floor with Europe in a conventional war, no one is going to nuke anyone. The most important aspect to Europe's security is NATO and American hegemony.

Easy, don't nuke Russia directly, just nuke Russian troops as they go through Ukraine.

And in a purely conventional war, I doubt the Russian troops would be as good as you claim they'd be. We've seen them fight in Georgia, Ukraine, and Syria; they are terrible.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

A Typical Goon posted:

Nuking Russian troops would lead to a full nuclear response from Russia, hence it wouldn't happen.

And then Russia can say bye-bye to Moscow, St. Petersburg, and every other large enough city. They got the choice between accepting their losses abroad or destroying their country, they don't go for MAD.

A Typical Goon posted:

Nobody is gonna drop nukes on another nation that can retaliate in kind.
That's why if you mount a purely conventional invasion of Russia, they won't use nukes? LOL

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
It's basically "lol, u mad?" in video form, because it shows the Russian mouthpieces being very mad.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Friendly Humour posted:

You should go on actually, your work is methodologically really interesting. In no way to denigrate it, it just seems like such a simple principle of looking up social media for images and people that I'm a bit dumbfounded that it's innovative.

Social networks are a really recent phenomenon and people who learned their job twenty years ago weren't taught about it.

The pre-Internet approach would be to send a reporter team over there, and have them comb the place for witnesses and testimonies. It takes time, it's potentially dangerous, and you can get the ever-helpful "local authorities" making sure that you meet the right persons for their version of the story.

Now you can get all that quickly and safely online, but since the web is the largest haystack ever, even with search engines, finding the needles you want takes time and a certain amount of know-how. Who in West even heard about VKontakt before MH17?

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

waitwhatno posted:

What is this talk about a full NATO membership? Is it some conspiracy theory?

Poland wants more NATO bases on its territory. Normally you'd expect a country to want the only military bases on their country to be their own, but I guess having NATO bases is a way to have military presence without footing most of the bill for it.

https://euobserver.com/justice/131697
http://blogs.wsj.com/brussels/2016/01/05/growing-support-for-a-nato-force-in-eastern-europe-but-no-new-bases/

And Russian gloating on the subject:
http://sputniknews.com/military/20160204/1034227016/nato-bases-poland-disappoint.html

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
There were scrubbings, all the "yay we shot down a plane, hurray" tweets disappeared pretty quickly after they found out it was a civilian airliner.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
What I'm curious about is how many casualties of the Syrian conflict have died in Ukraine.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
If BM gets described as a CIA stooge, it's only fair that Phillips gets described as an FSB tool.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Lichtenstein posted:

Also don't forget the obsession with outing the Nobel-prize winning icon of fall of communism as having had been a communist spy all along because ???

Because he's popular and not dead yet, therefore he is a threat.

When you're an autocrat, there's nothing more threatening than someone else who's more popular than you. Maybe they'll try to make use of their popularity to seize power? Power that is rightfully yours and yours alone for all eternity!

If they're popular and dead, you can claim to be their spiritual heir or whatever and then make their popularity works for you, but if they're popular and alive they're rivals and you have to do everything you can to make sure that they either stop being popular, or stop being alive, or both.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

mobby_6kl posted:

Latvia/Lithuania too.

Just gonna cross-post these instances of Czech confusion from the maps thread


Hah apparently somebody put together a huge imgur gallery. Enjoy: http://imgur.com/a/RpAK0

CNN maps are an endless source of beauty and joy.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Yes, those horrible Ukrainians and their criminal neglect of things!

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

Latvia's new 5 Euro collector coin.



Sonic Adventures 2016 looking good.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
I think it's a fitting illustration of our era of generalized mass unemployment that the racist cry of "they're going to steal our jobs" has been replaced by "they're going to steal our welfare".

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
The Church excommunicating them makes a lot more sense to me than the state sending them to jail.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
The fantabulous EMP claim refers to a previous buzzing incident with the Donald Cook, when it was in the Black Sea. The more recent incident was in the Baltic Sea.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Palpek posted:

My only hope is that the Church is losing more people than it's gaining with this crap and when the dust settles it will be another step to desecularization.

You probably want the opposite of that word.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

anilEhilated posted:

Well, good luck, but I'm afraid the windmill you fought has a natural advantage over the victims' families there; it just doesn't give a poo poo.

It gives a lot of poo poo about saving face and trying to pin the blame on literally anyone else. It gives a lot of poo poo about never admitting responsibility in that tragedy. It gives a lot of poo poo generally, mostly bullshit and horseshit though.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

eigenstate posted:

Does anyone here speak French or can find this video with English subtitles?

http://weirdrussia.com/2016/05/23/rfi-how-russian-tv-fakes-news/
The blurb below the vid conveys the gist:

quote:

News, Politics
RFI: How Russian TV Fakes News

Recently, Russian TV channel “Russia-1” aired the segment about anti-European sentiment in France. On May 15th, the original story was aired on “Vesti Nedeli” with news anchor Dmitry Kiselyov. The main theme was “the growing movement of Euro-skeptics in France.” However, the Le Petit Journal show (broadcasted by the French TV Canal+) called out “Russia-1” for faking facts. According to RFI news agency, statements were either translated wrongly or were completely made up. Russian journalists mainly filmed protestors, who were dissatisfied with the new labor act. People have responded in this context, saying nothing neither about Europe, nor about “euroscepticism”. Words of interviewees were subjected to “translation”, to later proclaim that people are afraid of migrants.

French journalists found every interviewee, who confirmed that the questions asked by Russian journalists were about the law of labor. Most statements were mistranslated to create the desired misinformation by the Russian TV. Besides average French folks, a couple of politicians were filmed by “Russia-1” team. After seeing “translation” of his words, former Minister Bruno Le Maire expressed the wish that Russian TV channels were more professional and deliver accurate, uncut statements to public. In the Russian translation, special emphasis is placed on the phrase that “France needs to cooperate more with Russia”.

They went to find the people they had interviewed. Bruno Le Maire, the politician, says they used "cut and paste" on what he said to change his words into something "not opposite, but quite different" from what he said. One of the demonstrators, who you hear talking in English to the Russian journalist ("they betrayed us"), claims she doesn't even know English well enough to speak like that, and as she was wearing a camera to record the events you get to see an excerpt of how the exchange went from her point of view. The one with the Arab Harasser™ basically says that all the words in the Russian broadcast were "not translated but invented" and that it's "loving disgusting", then explains that no, she doesn't feel afraid and that she is actually for welcoming refugees from a war-torn country. The bit about a lycée (high school) that was closed because it was invaded by migrants? The school was actually closed in 2011*, several years before the refugee crisis. The pensioner who claimed to have been replaced by migrants? "No, that's not true, that's completely false! I can't let them say that!"

* The real reason it was closed, of course, was budget cuts, and Sarkozy's obsession with reducing the number of public function workers, such as teachers.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

slavatuvs posted:

Sorry about your cat Kadyrov

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFd2vWNiRul/?taken-by=kadyrov_95

Maybe it is in the same place where your political rivals vanish to.

D'aaw :3:

He's a ruthless thug and an amoral warlord and a complete Putin stooge, but I can't fully hate him when I look at his cat.



Sorry.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Is that a grenade next to the adorable little kitty?

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

Kittens are cute, but Putin wants to remind everyone he doesn't want American missiles in Romania or Poland, and he may just have to do something about it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-europe-shield-idUSKCN0YI2ER


Everything is the western homonazis fault. Why do you make me hurt you?

Interesting to see that Romania is a neighbor of Russia. I guess Russia has annexed Moldova and just forgot to tell us about it?

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

chitoryu12 posted:

Apparently this was used in WW2 for catching German infiltrators. They would overprepare for call-and-response identification challenges and memorize the whole anthem, not knowing that Americans skipped huge chunks. Anyone who properly responded to "The terror of flight" with "The gloom of the grave" would be exposed.

Also a handy way to get rid of pedants, I guess.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Richard Armour posted:

In an attempt to take Baltimore, the British attacked Fort McHenry, which protected the harbor. Bombs were soon bursting in air, rockets were glaring, and all in all it was a moment of great historical interest. During the bombardment, a young lawyer named Francis Off Key wrote "The Star-Spangled Banner", and when, by the dawn's early light, the British heard it sung, they fled in terror.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
So Oliver Stone is making a movie to reveal that the Maidan upraising of Ukraine was staged by the CIA to put in power a bunch of homonazis and that only Putin's manly arms are defending freedom and civilization. Wake up, sheeple!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVdvp188rk4

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Friendly Humour posted:

I thought we were already there. CIA did ukraine

CIA did Iran, see how it worked out for them.

Regardless of whether or not the USA tried to nudge things in a direction or another, Maidan happened because it had popular support. Did people forget about the Orange Revolution already? Ukrainians were and still are fed up with corruption, autocracy, and oligarchy.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Nuland said "gently caress the EU", that was clearly an order for Ukraine to have (metaphorical) intercourse with the European Union, meaning take part in it. Clearly that's how Euromaidan is a CIA plot. They want Ukrainians to enter the gigantic non-stop orgy that is the EU (named after the disgusted reaction any sane and moral person would have to this amount of perverse debauchery: ee-yew!) to further the homonazi agenda. Soon everyone will be mass-gay-married to everyone else of the same sex, and this will lead to the genocide of the white race as men will no longer copulate with women, allowing the lesser races such as mosselmen Arabs to take over. This is part of the Jewish plot to control the entire world, because the dim-witted Arabs are easier to control than the proud Aryans.

Sounds legit.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Palpek posted:

As for Polish people in the UK I don't see it going well for them. The current Polish government has already shown that it's willing to throw them under the bus when it exchanged their rights for things it cared about in other areas. They will be abandoned by both Poland and the UK and the Polish economy isn't ready for hundreds of thousands of new unemployed. Knowing the Polish hosed up mentality there will also be a stigma associated with being an ex-emmigrant which will become more extreme when those people start competing for jobs with people already living in Poland. Overall this will be quite a job crisis for the country and in the current atmosphere it may lead to some extreme directions, not sure which ones yet.

I can imagine a part of Polish immigration moving to Ireland which would have been a viable idea before the financial crisis but not anymore. This will mean a lot of Polish people coming back to Poland.

Germany has plenty of "minijobs" for workers who enjoy being exploited, so they can go there to get the same lovely jobs as they had in the UK.

Palpek posted:

Now imagine the very likely scenario where Trump becomes president. We had a good run :getin:.

European countries will have to flock to France for getting some nuclear deterrence against Russia, finally realizing Napoleon's dream of a united continent ruled from Paris. :france: :getin:

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Somaen posted:

So who is going to do the poo poo jobs at british factories/warehouses/farms if they send us back our lumpenproles
They're just gonna close the factories/warehouses/farms. The lumpenproles' last job will be to carry out all the relevant stuff to Ireland, France, Germany, Poland, or wherever else it is that they'll be setting up shop next.

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Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
FUCKY obama ou

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