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anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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PiSsed is going to be Poland's default state for quite a while.

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anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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A Buttery Pastry posted:

Penultimate means second to last. What do you think is/will be his final achievement? Restoring Tsarist Russia?
The USSR, in a more fascist variation. Tsarist Russia obviously doesn't encompass all that's rightfully Property Of The Russian Empire.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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A Buttery Pastry posted:

Jewish Physics Western Geometry. :argh:

Tsarist Russia was bigger than the USSR though.
Oh, that's right. Make is USSR with all the satellites. And Finland for good measure, it's obviously been Russian all along.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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OhYeah posted:

I don't get the impression that Trump is the sort of guy who would just hand an entire region of developed world over to their arch-nemesis. Furthermore, I don't think any U.S. president can make that decision without the approval of his military leadership. Empires don't voluntarily give away their power and influence, it has never happened and it never will.
He can just do it by inaction. Guy supposedly respects Putin for being a strong leader, Putin will play him like a fiddle.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Munin posted:

That combined with the fact that he's been able to get Russia to throw its weight around on the geopolitical power table earns a lot of popularity.
See this is what I'm finding hard to explain. I know propaganda is a powerful tool but popularity by warmongering? Doesn't anyone in there stop and think that sending your army into sovereign countries might not be the best idea?

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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"See this is yet another reason why we need to bomb the gently caress out of TurkeySyria."

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Pierogi posted:

Uh, slow progressive schizophrenia? :colbert:
Sounds like the USSR alright.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Doctor Malaver posted:

Am I the only one who is tired of the "Russia stronk" meme/gimmick? I don't remember it ever being funny or adding to discussion.
It's also very much real and something that's not bad to be reminded of from time to time.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Perverts! I'd take that as a compliment.

e: Quoted for new page.

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Mar 8, 2016

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Cat Mattress posted:

I guess the Russian Armed Forces personnel captured by Ukraine aren't proof enough.
Simple, Ukrainian provocateurs dressed up as Russians to provoke, uh, losing more territory.

edit: VVV There's a difference between the two?

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Mar 8, 2016

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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alex314 posted:

Well, we've had our independence longer than the last time. Fingers crossed for ending in Czech or Swedish partition, and not Russian one.
I'd love to see the Czech rep, with its army of roughly six functioning Soviet-era tanks, lay a claim to Poland.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Not to mention the inability to actually conquer Europe doesn't really need to stop him from trying. He's got away with everything so far, the message seems pretty clear.

e: I'm saying that as a Czech - fairly sure I'm not the only one who feels their country would easily be sacrificed in the name of peace. Again. So no, the fact the EU in total could defeat Russia isn't reassuring in the slightest.

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Mar 12, 2016

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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quote:

Terrorism was born as the result of the Socialist-Soviet thought and outside of that thought it was absent in the history of the West and Christianity.
Easily my favorite bit. Good thing to know these guys know their history.
Or meanings of words, come to think of it.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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It's also a way to make sure there will at least be a fuss when Russia comes to visit.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Brown Moses posted:

Well that assumes they would have known this sort of information was all over the place waiting to be pieced together, and elsewhere that hasn't seemed to have been the case. Now they have the issue that if they start removing this stuff it'll look like they have something to hide.
That or they simply don't care - it's not like anyone is getting prosecuted over it. Easier to express outrage at filthy truth-perverting wannabe journalists to provide a simple explanation for the sympathisers and just ignore the rest.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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I believe the idea is to put an alternate spin on the events out there and let the desinformation machine do its job. As I said before, it provides an explanation the supporters can use - it's not talking about the event, it's just smearing Bellingcat. As such, it's addressed to pro-Russia crowd as opposed to actually rebuking anything.

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Mar 13, 2016

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Call me paranoid but there's a distinct difference between Putin saying he's pulling out and actually pulling out. Of course, depends on what favors he's expecting for it on the diplomatic front...
Then again, "political solution" is apparently shorthand for Assad staying right where he is.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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It's Russian casualties I'm kinda curious about here - IIRC they only admitted to one pilot who crashed near the Turkish border and that's it. Guess you don't lose units when you don't actually attack anything that can fire back.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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You can tell they aren't even trying when they can't even come up with some "various Western analysts" by name.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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I can't help but find his description as "FSB tool" way too amusing. I mean he's a tool alright and he works for the FSB but still...

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Obama actually expressed interest in a political prisoner. I think that's the first time America calls Russia out on it but it's a case with a lot of media attention. I kinda doubt anything will come out of it, though.

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Mar 16, 2016

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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At least they seem to treat Russia like the leper it is.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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The best way to spot for artillery is clearly with a bag over your head.

Edit: Speaking of Savchenko, Ukraine says she's to be returned. Here's the original article if anyone reads Russian: http://grani.ru/Politics/Russia/Politzeki/m.249858.html

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Mar 25, 2016

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Friendly Humour posted:

I wonder how many bishops would send thier taxes to him
Given current Polish government, they'd enforce it.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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sparatuvs posted:

This has been part of a steady trend of violence as spring comes around, field guns are being fired again, thankfully no GRADs. I don't think it's even clear what the separatists are fighting for at this point besides fighting against stability, not even Russia is going to recognize your depopulated hell state, just let it end.
It makes sense for Russia to support them and urge them to keep fighting; the bigger the clusterfuck, the less attention on Crimea which has been the real prize.

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Mar 27, 2016

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Doesn't need to be direct control, just propaganda: just be good little insurgents, kill some more of those fascist pigdogs for us and we'll definitely take you into Mother Russia's loving embrace. Yeah, next time. Pinky swear, cross our border and hope to die.

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Mar 27, 2016

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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In less serious news, the Chinese president is visiting the Czech Republic and it's a complete clusterfuck.
Prague got turned into a regular circus - flags on strees, billboards in Chinese, inflatable terracotta army. Companies that trade with China have booked every single town square capable of holding a protest months before (without anything actually happening there) so human rights activists are going bonkers, they defaced a couple Chinese flags only to find them replaced over night and guarded by police. So they whip up Tibetan flags and start patrolling the roads the president is supposed to take. Next thing they see, buses unload couple thousand Chinese with proper flags who promptly push them out with the assistance of police; the 100% natural flagwaving crowd also strategically takes place in front of billboards that show the ex-president Havel with the Dalai Lama.

Another bunch of protesters was being forced to remove their flag on the grounds of "threatening public health" and a bunch of them ended up arrested without any cause being stated and a couple fights break out when the Chinese claque rips flags out of protesters' hands. Police arrests a couple more protesters just for the heck of it and manages to grab one Chinese - apparently by accident.

Meanwhile, the presidents meet up, do their thing, plant a PR(C?) tree and not notice any violence; the Castle is surrounded from all sides by the imported cheering crowd - it wouldn't do for the honored guest to look out of a window and not see a Chinese flag anywhere. Zeman's speaker calls human rights activists fascist and funded by the opposition; the opposition unfurls a Tibetan flag from a parliament window. Leave it to us to turn everything into a local political squabble.
My favorite part is that yesterday afternoon one of the smaller TV stations apparently switched its programme and started broadcasting a Czech-Chinese cartoon - with Chinese subtitles. I guess the visitors were near a TV set at that moment.

Anyhow, the biggest protests are scheduled for today, if things turn more violent, it's gonna be there.

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Mar 29, 2016

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Honestly, the best part about the whole thing is the behavior of police. It's just slowly coming out now so obviously it's not all reliable but you get to hear bits like them escorting the Chinese that rip the remaining Tibetan flags off buildings and columns - and arresting anyone nearby who doesn't belong to the crowd, including an old lady in dressing gown and slippers who just came out to get her mail. Or the billboard that's a threat to public health. Or watching the Chinese take and break videocameras and phones of people recording the whole mess.

Political caricaturists will have material for years.

e: Right, this just in: the well-in-advance booked protest on the Kampa is apparently being cancelled by policemen in riot gear cordoning the whole place off. See, the Chinese president is going to ride past...
Same thing's apparently happening around about eight other announced protest grounds. People can't even get in. Funny thing, the neo-nazi demonstrations last week went through just fine.

Here's the first summary of the whole mess in English-speaking media I found:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3512744/Protests-Chinas-Xi-arrives-Prague.html

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 12:24 on Mar 29, 2016

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Well, quickly reading through the article:

The journalist in question got assaulted by the Chinese, who ripped the flag off his back and beat him with metal flagpoles; he got away with just a bruised face. Police then took him to protective custody.
Then he recaps: he was photographing the protesters that were taking down Chinese flags and replacing them with Tibetan ones. Police arrived, started collecting flags and activists, then two buses of Chinese with their flags showed up. Activists got taken to the station, Chinese calm down, then three bypassers started shouting at the Chinese that they're communists and the Chinese assaulted them with their fists. Police stands there watching, apparently doesn't want to create a scandal by arresting the Chinese. Brawl escalates, photographer gets whacked over the head with a Chinese flag and his own flag is taken. The reporter gets taken by the police, who cite disobeying an order from the police, he protests, they haul him off to interrogation anyway. At the station he keeps asking what is he accused of, no answer, and eventually they let him out in time to catch his train.

drilldo squirt posted:

What's democracy like in the czech republic? I can't see bussing in foreigners to beat up citizen protesting with police aid to suck up to china being good for a reelection campaign.
You got the intellectuals who are properly horrified and you got the rest that doesn't give a poo poo because the media coverage mostly has been focusing on economic advantages that China will bring. And they are no refugees so there's nothing to rile up the working classes over.

mobby_6kl posted:

Is this poo poo still going down somewhere? I'm considering going to check out this circus after work.
From what I'm reading, protests are still going on around the Castle and the police has blocked off Hradcany; the happening that's currently going on is apparently in the Max van der Stoel Park. Politicians, musicians - and police in riot gear.

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Mar 29, 2016

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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That's a satiric website, right?


...Right?

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Zeroisanumber posted:

Any amount of reading about Polish history will tell you exactly why Poland is wary as gently caress of Russia.
To be fair this should hold true of any country in Eastern Europe - and sadly doesn't.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Plus the Czech views probably aren't long for this world - the propaganda machine is up and running and more and more people are buying into it. You know the drill: refugees and muslims in general are there to kill our culture, USA is behind it and caused it all, the EU has betrayed our civilization, only Putin can save us.
Doesn't help that the president is pretty openly an useful idiot willing to do anything for a pat on the back from the Kremlin.

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Apr 1, 2016

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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That's the thing: there's a lot of common history but that means they hate each other. Particularly notably in what's now Slovakia.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Another big part of the the secularization of what's now the Czech Rep was also historical whitewash. A lot of thinkers and artists regarded the Hussite revolution in 15th century as a high point in history. Now, this suited not just the communists (praising the anti-religious sentiment and quietly ignoring the entire point of the thing) but also the anti-Nazi dissidents before them (Slavic versus Germanic, this angle was also present for the good part of the Austria/Hungary period for obvious reasons) and even the founders of Czechoslovakia (which was very much Masaryk's child and that man, while deeply believing, didn't want to have anything to do with the Church).

So you get people being repeatedly told that the Church is monarchic, germanic, dogmatic, ripping off the poor, controlling the rich and all the time trampling on the little Czech guy because way, way before in history he kicked its rear end (CZECHIA STRONK - gently caress off, I'm Czech, I can say that - the idea is that there's this idealized history in which the world is trembling in fear of us as opposed to not giving a gently caress as usual). There's been some form of anti-catholic thought present in just about any movement that participated in shaping the Czech culture in more than a hundred years.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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sparatuvs posted:



I wonder if the fighting could lead to Armenia invoking defensive protection because of the ODKB. As far as I can tell the clashes were between NK troops and Azeri, and not actually Armenian military, but I'm sure Russia would love to pull a Georgia on Azerbaijan. I highly doubt the US will support them at all, so it would probably go even faster than the invasion of Georgia.
"A shootout took place between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Casualties on both sides: 10 Russians."
Not enough info yet but yeah, this looks like yet another Russian land grab.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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sparatuvs posted:

Russia invading Azerbaijan won't start ww3, it'll just be another nail in the coffin of the Putin regime.
It might even not come to that, they might as well just reinforce Armenia and have a totally free referendum for it to become part of Russia.
Wish I shared your views re: coffins, but it looks like Putin keeps getting out of it before the nailing is quite done.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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My money's on every single governmental figure in the EE being paid by the Kremlin.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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The question is whether it's going to have any consequences. Here (Czech) a corruption scandal generally isn't enough to remove a politician - I assume it's very much the same further to the east.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Next step: witch hunts.

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anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

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Doctor Malaver posted:

http://praguemonitor.com/2016/04/04/kurdish-militia-ypg-opens-office-prague

YPG (Kurdish militia) opened an office in Prague. Did this get any publicity in Czech media? Is there a Kurdish minority in Czech Republic?
It got a couple of articles. They aren't officially recognized and the public seems to cheer for them since they're against Turkey and by extension NATO and USA (my favorite echoing response is that they should team up with Assad, call upon Putin and divide Turkey between Syria, Russia and themselves - leave it to the Average Joseph to advocate WW3). They haven't really made any impact, though; I suspect they're keeping their head down because The Public might otherwise realize they're actually muslims.

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