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Whitecloak posted:This is me. If Sanders isn't the candidate, I'm voting Trump. I'm in Ohio, I drive through areas that in my early childhood were thriving industrial plants with large, unionized, well paid workforces that are now herion dens where the only real jobs for most of these people involve a vest and cheering for Wal*Mart- a vile entity with a close relationship in the Clinton past. If I can't have my broad, democratic populism, I'll take the nativist kind solely to spite the free trader, globalizing types. So what if Sanders loses and endorses Clinton, which would happen if he loses.
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Bifner McDoogle posted:So what if Sanders loses and endorses Clinton, which would happen if he loses. I'm not voting for a Clinton. I want to see all of these patronage networks burned to the ground.
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Whitecloak posted:This is me. If Sanders isn't the candidate, I'm voting Trump. I'm in Ohio, I drive through areas that in my early childhood were thriving industrial plants with large, unionized, well paid workforces that are now herion dens where the only real jobs for most of these people involve a vest and cheering for Wal*Mart- a vile entity with a close relationship in the Clinton past. If I can't have my broad, democratic populism, I'll take the nativist kind solely to spite the free trader, globalizing types. So, to hell with all the Muslims and working immigrants who will be rounded up and deported/thrown in camps, right? I don't really like Clinton either but come on man.
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shame on an IGA posted:Trump has thrown back the curtain and shown that these tactics work and we're only going to see more in the future, if he loses someone even more extreme is going to take that playbook and keep going further and further until one of them wins. Better a Berlusconi now than a Putin later. Time is on our side, though. The white vote becomes a smaller and smaller portion of the electorate with each passing election. If Donald Trump can't win in 2016 with the utter maximum turnout among embittered white suburban/rural voters, it's unlikely that anyone ever will. I think it's now or never for them. Whitecloak posted:This is me. If Sanders isn't the candidate, I'm voting Trump. I'm in Ohio, I drive through areas that in my early childhood were thriving industrial plants with large, unionized, well paid workforces that are now herion dens where the only real jobs for most of these people involve a vest and cheering for Wal*Mart- a vile entity with a close relationship in the Clinton past. If I can't have my broad, democratic populism, I'll take the nativist kind solely to spite the free trader, globalizing types. I'm a working class white dude who also lives in the rust belt, but Trump's rhetoric concerning minorities is not something I want to gently caress with. The thought of burning down the whole rotten system seems appealing, but you've got to remember that things can get worse. It can always get worse.
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shame on an IGA posted:A Trump-Clinton general election is going to see more aisle crossing on both sides than anyone thinks possible. It is not possible to understate the depth of animus that many, many otherwise left leaning people have towards Hillary personally and while they would hold their nose and vote D against a Cruz or a Bush, Trump is such a dice roll that a lot of them are going to take it. On one hand, I would like to see evidence for this assertion. On the other hand, I do think this is going to be a realigning election. I don't know how much of one.
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Whitecloak posted:I'm not voting for a Clinton. I want to see all of these patronage networks burned to the ground. Exactly. The whole DNC is built around Hillary Clinton, it won't see the shakeup it needs unless there is a change of guard.
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The question is...is he sincere in regards to his racism or is he doing it to eliminate any sort of competition in the field? Trump could easily be saying this poo poo because he knows it gets him two things. 1.) Free campaign advertising, because let's face it? In today's media environment? That's how you plan the game. Turn it into a freak show 2.) Blowing the dog whistle harder than everyone else to get the racist vote, and then backing off of it when he gets the nomination. It's very possible he could be a racist poo poo head, that this could all be a game or both. I pray to god it's just him playing the game because if it's not? oooh boy.
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Anchor Wanker posted:So, to hell with all the Muslims and working immigrants who will be rounded up and deported/thrown in camps, right? I don't really like Clinton either but come on man. There's no way he'd actually get away with that. I just want to see the DNC's entire power structure uprooted and destroyed. Conservatism, Inc. seems to be making GBS threads its pants and convulsing on the floor, I want that on the left of the aisle too- I'm sick of Goldman Sachs and Wall Street. I'm sick of Silicon Valley 'disruption' that is cheered by as many on the so-called left as it is on the right. Let's see some real 'disruption' that ruins the careers of thousands of courtiers and exposes so-called journalists like Yglesias for the scum they are. We need a shakeup, bad. The power consensus in this country is killing us. If it takes a demagogue and a stability hit to do so, so be it.
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This isn't just America though, it's happening around the world and it's fundamentally a reaction to mass immigration which is an issue treated as a given by the political establishments of western nations. People are increasingly skeptical of the purported benefits of immigration and dislike the prospect of their societies losing their fundamental (European) character.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I pray to god it's just him playing the game because if it's not? oooh boy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I530sPVQSc8&t=31s
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It's really easy to be a white dude and think "the DNC needs a shake up, I'm gonna vote Trump! That'll wake em up a bit." Because you aren't going to feel the effects of Trump trying to build a wall or imposing a religious test to prevent Muslims from entering the country. Trump is the ultimate white privelege candidate.
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Whitecloak posted:There's no way he'd actually get away with that. I just want to see the DNC's entire power structure uprooted and destroyed. Conservatism, Inc. seems to be making GBS threads its pants and convulsing on the floor, I want that on the left of the aisle too- I'm sick of Goldman Sachs and Wall Street. I'm sick of Silicon Valley 'disruption' that is cheered by as many on the so-called left as it is on the right. Let's see some real 'disruption' that ruins the careers of thousands of courtiers and exposes so-called journalists like Yglesias for the scum they are. Your input is actually valuable here because you are one of the people in question. Would you say that you think this shake-up will actually improve things, or would you say you have a more emotional reason for wanting this to happen? When and how did this attitude develop?
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seiferguy posted:It's really easy to be a white dude and think "the DNC needs a shake up, I'm gonna vote Trump! That'll wake em up a bit." Because you aren't going to feel the effects of Trump trying to build a wall or imposing a religious test to prevent Muslims from entering the country. Trump is the ultimate white privelege candidate. You'll feel the effects when your bones and organs are vaporized by atomic flash.
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Whitecloak posted:There's no way he'd actually get away with that. I just want to see the DNC's entire power structure uprooted and destroyed. Conservatism, Inc. seems to be making GBS threads its pants and convulsing on the floor, I want that on the left of the aisle too- I'm sick of Goldman Sachs and Wall Street. I'm sick of Silicon Valley 'disruption' that is cheered by as many on the so-called left as it is on the right. Let's see some real 'disruption' that ruins the careers of thousands of courtiers and exposes so-called journalists like Yglesias for the scum they are. I understand this position but I think history has set a precedent of awful people getting away with horrific things, particularly towards religious and ethnic scapegoats, and that we should really definitely not ignore that.
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seiferguy posted:It's really easy to be a white dude and think "the DNC needs a shake up, I'm gonna vote Trump! That'll wake em up a bit." Because you aren't going to feel the effects of Trump trying to build a wall or imposing a religious test to prevent Muslims from entering the country. Trump is the ultimate white privelege candidate. This sort of identity politicking is part of what is driving the right wing populist surge in America, I'm thinking. I wager similar things are fueling the same animus over in Europe- when refugees or those using the refugee crisis for personal gain act badly and commit real bodily crime and well-to-do scolds chastise the natives for daring to be so intolerant. I do not wish any harm to the Islamic community, but caring about minority interests to the exclusion of the disaffected American working class is driving said working class towards hatred. I don't think the racial or immigration part of the Trump package are fueling the interest around here so much as the anti-TPP/NAFTA talk-- If we could get a protectionist candidate with a solid industrial policy who wasn't a belligerent racist I'd go with that. I prefer Bernie to Trump, vastly and completely. But it seems wrong to me to assume that an establishment Dem, with a known record of 'tough on crime' talk is going to magic up an end to racial animosity in America. Hillary has taken the coin of the private prison industry, hasn't she?
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seiferguy posted:It's really easy to be a white dude and think "the DNC needs a shake up, I'm gonna vote Trump! That'll wake em up a bit." Because you aren't going to feel the effects of Trump trying to build a wall or imposing a religious test to prevent Muslims from entering the country. Trump is the ultimate white privelege candidate. Also, a 6-3 conservative supreme court will make any DNC shake up completely pointless as they'll be unable to effectively implement policy even if they manage to retake both the Senate and the House and control the Presidency. Losing the court for another generation would be disastrous. Scalia's dead, RBG is 82, and Kennedy is 79 - if you want to see any sort of liberal policies long-term at least 2 of those 3 need to be replaced by liberal judges.
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glowing-fish posted:Your input is actually valuable here because you are one of the people in question. I was an Occupy protester for a time in my town. I graduated in 09' and everyone I knew who said they could probably find me a job was out on their ear. I've done better since, but the American story I've known is multigenerational downward mobility. My great grandparents on both sides owned things and had businesses. My grandparents were bureaucrats with golden pensions. My parents are blue collar, but on the good side of the two tier contracts. I see the world growing smaller and smaller around me and I know that I will never have the things that they had- limits to growth and all that. A fairer distribution of a shrinking pie would be alright with me, but this fantastical idea that education (and the corresponding debt load) and magic pixie dust will turn us all into salary class stalwarts (and drat all those who fail to live up to such) is madness of a different sort. I doubt the shake-up would improve much at all. I think that the modern age we are living in is ephemeral and is going to fall apart over generations as we push against hard resource constraints and the ruination of our environment slowly but surely generates more crop failures and smaller yields over time. There will be no apocalypse, but the horizon will keep shrinking for a good long while. It just seems fair for the sneering types to join us on the ride down. If we cannot have a more equal society oriented towards justice and equality, perhaps a dose of barbarism will instill in us a new respect for our fellow countrymen. At least Clintonland and the Davos types won't sleep so comfortably for a time- there is a psychological reward in that.
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Whitecloak posted:This sort of identity politicking is part of what is driving the right wing populist surge in America, I'm thinking. I wager similar things are fueling the same animus over in Europe- when refugees or those using the refugee crisis for personal gain act badly and commit real bodily crime and well-to-do scolds chastise the natives for daring to be so intolerant. Absolutely; we in the west live in politically fragmented multicultural societies increasingly organized around the identity and interests of different minority groups., what we're seeing now is the formation of explicitly white parliamentarian politics in response. Closely related is the rapidly declining rhetorical firepower of being labelled 'racist'.
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Feb 28, 2016 06:54
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Whitecloak posted:This sort of identity politicking is part of what is driving the right wing populist surge in America, I'm thinking. I wager similar things are fueling the same animus over in Europe- when refugees or those using the refugee crisis for personal gain act badly and commit real bodily crime and well-to-do scolds chastise the natives for daring to be so intolerant. If you don't wish them harm, don't vote for the guy explicitly wishing their community harm. Its not just "their interests', its their lives and basic rights that he threatens. As it stands, Hillary isn't going to destroy the nation or gently caress the SCOTUS or kick the poo poo out of minorities. And while I'd certainly take Bernie over either I'm not gonna go and toss the election and an entire generation of Supreme Court decisions to some rear end in a top hat for a little economic benefit, if that.
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glowing-fish posted:Would you say that you think this shake-up will actually improve things, or would you say you have a more emotional reason for wanting this to happen? When and how did this attitude develop? I hope to not jump in but I come from a very similiar background. For what it's worth? I'm indeed a democratic-socialist now. I grew up in the shadows of the rubber city. Akron. My dad worked for BF Goodrich, and I had family that worked for Goodyear. My dad would sing the praises of Ronald Reagan, listen to Rush Limbaugh. We lived in the 'burbs, and we're fairly well off until I got to see my mother's illness (cancer) nearly bankrupted us. We survived, but through it all there was always a great deal of optimism. I'd go to college, I'd be like my dad and jump into sales. Rinse. Repeat. I saw my dad's company head south and replaced by another. He then found work with a foriegn company in Texas several years later. I didn't really begin to see the "decay" that we're mentioning in this thread hit until 2008. Prior to that? All was in ship shape. Why should I worry about the silly war in Iraq or Afghanistan? Psssh. Those people tried to kill us after all. Let's get revenge! Haliburton? Oil? Who cares. I was socially liberal prior to that point, conservative/libertarian in quite a few ways. I began to really despise the religious right, but tolerated them well enough. 2008 hit. It hit hard. I was in college at the time and began to notice the world around change very rapidly. I saw more abandoned houses, factories..all beginning to touch the 'burbs. I saw the political conversation between the two sides grow nastier and nastier. The world that was promised to me and my dad by various  talking heads was gone. I was now competing with an insane amount of people for job openings, and was now driving all the country trying to find work. I had to take jobs at places like Lowes (they're okay. Treated me okay at least), Kohls (gently caress those assholes) over the suit and tie jobs I thought I could get with my college degree. I had to hear talking heads on Fox News accuse me of being "lazy", "entitled" and various other types of adjectives because I was in the position a lot of people were in. I began to see how full of poo poo such talking points were. How they demeaned pretty much every American, and it made me very angry. Things are better now. I found work, I've been training for a well paying full time job since november. But it feels like the America I was told about growing up was stolen from me, my father, and several others of us by the big banks, crooked members of the government (ie: people like Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton..). College Loans, Healthcare and various other things most seem so foriegn to non-americans. This country has been bought and sold to the highest bidder. It's frustrating. I can honestly say I would have been an ignorant straight ticket GOP voter had the economic collapse not happened.
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I mean there the story right there, increasing tribalism plus the failure of privatization and deregulating economic policies leads to increasing populism on both sides, which varies it's 'face' depending on which tribe it targets. Trump fits the mold of being able to take the establishment to town, without the repub base worrying about having to lose face, by giving on to the other side, who they think looks down on them. Him being able to stand, on stage, and call the Iraq war a failure, and not lose anything by it, is this election in a nutshell.
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Anchor Wanker posted:If you don't wish them harm, don't vote for the guy explicitly wishing their community harm. Its not just "their interests', its their lives and basic rights that he threatens. Hillary will continue business as usual and enrich her true constituents. I am not so driven by emotion that I will not consider making another choice, but every time I hear a so-called progressive media voice harping on the bigotry, illiteracy, uncultured swine of Middle America it gets a little harder. When Trump comes out and says, "I love the uneducated" and the nattering nabobs with Harvard credentials and trust funds scoff I want to smack them. That is what the establishment; Clinton, Bush, et all, represents. You are asking me to vote for a power structure that calls my friends and neighbors swine and all but ignores our interests entire. I voted Obama twice- his SCOTUS picks might be just fine and dandy on identity issues but they all seem remarkably corporate for being Democratic appointees. Isn't he floating a Republican for his next pick? What good does that do us in the long term? We will be a fine nation of serfs and masters- but the masters shall be multiracial and multicultural and of every gender under the sun. I could use my protest vote in Ohio to give the Greens or some other third party a boost, I suppose.
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I have a hunch that the lasting effect from this election could be the realization of a new dimension in the current political landscape, where the lines will continue to be drawn across the standard liberal/conservative split, but will also be further subdivided into populist/establishment camps. We've already seen the unlikely crossover appeal between the populist left and right in this very thread and by watching the weird dynamics of the primaries. I have to wonder if we'll see more of these strange ideological bedfellows as establishment types may also join together in the future to preserve the status quo against an increasingly frightening and angry populist backlash. Think of, say, the exasperated upper-middle class republican choosing to vote Clinton over Trump while the frustrated Bernie fan chooses to go for Trump over Clinton. Just a thought. 
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All of these are good answers, although the "Why Now?" question is still pretty open. One of the things that I find ironic is that the "Rock n' Roll" attitude of being outspoken, crass and unapologetic has finally filtered into the "conservative" mindset, probably starting with Sarah Palin in 2008. At the same time as conservatives are embracing totally rude 'tude, dude, young people are starting the Second Jazz Age, where they appreciate understatement, irony, politeness, and restraint. The year of Donald Trump is also the year of Steven Universe and Steph Curry.
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Feb 28, 2016 08:42
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shame on an IGA posted:Trump has thrown back the curtain and shown that these tactics work and we're only going to see more in the future, if he loses someone even more extreme is going to take that playbook and keep going further and further until one of them wins. Better a Berlusconi now than a Putin later. I hate to point this out, but Nixon set this really bad precedent a long time ago. He ruined American politics for good.
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Related issue: the almost overnight disappearance of pop libertarianism. Ron Paul managed to take a pretty sizeable chunk of the vote in 2008 and 2012, and it would have seemed likely that someone could have got those votes in 2016. Rand Paul was in the race, and for a while was a pretty serious candidate. He made it into, what, two contests and then left? Who are all the Ron Paul voters voting for this session? Does the principled message of "less government" fall beneath the message of "blame Mexicans"?
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Whitecloak posted:This is me. If Sanders isn't the candidate, I'm voting Trump. I'm in Ohio, I drive through areas that in my early childhood were thriving industrial plants with large, unionized, well paid workforces that are now herion dens where the only real jobs for most of these people involve a vest and cheering for Wal*Mart- a vile entity with a close relationship in the Clinton past. If I can't have my broad, democratic populism, I'll take the nativist kind solely to spite the free trader, globalizing types. Thanks for letting us know you're an utterly gullible rube who can be swayed by a childish, hateful narcissist that never experienced a single day of hardship in his life. Yeah I'm sure that kid who inherited a billion dollar Manhattan real estate empire from daddy will really stick it to those fatcats and 'the establishment'. Those jobs will come trickling right back on. I'm wearing a dress shirt from the Trump Signature Collection right now and it's made in fuckin' Indonesia.
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Eh, I can understand Whitecloak's sentiment. But, the establishment isn't going to go anywhere just because a populist candidate wins an election. They'll either soften up to Trump or they'll wait him out, and probably both - it's not like they're going to suddenly not be rich and connected just because Trump is the President. The kind of people who support Trump, and for that matter the kind of people who support Bernie, tend not to follow local politics (much less participate in it), vote in midterm elections, and in general keep up the sustained pressure at every level on the ruling class, required to secure their liberty and equality. Most Americans do not do this, so it should come as no surprise that liberty and equality are in short supply in the States. Maybe the popularity of Bernie Sanders (and *sigh* maybe to a lesser degree even the popularity of Trump) is a sign they're coming around a bit, but then again so was voting Obama in 2008, yet come to find out most Americans thought they could solve most of their problems if they'd just vote for the right President once. I haven't seen any indication this has changed.
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TheBalor posted:It seems like a lot of the Bernie people going to Trump are motivated by a mixture of rage and despair. They want to lash out at the establishment in any way they can, and who's more establishment than Hillary Clinton? Probably the billionaire real estate mogul from New York.
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glowing-fish posted:Earlier someone mentioned rural voters as being one of the cornerstones of right-wing populism. They feel picked on for being rural and evangelical. Having flashy New York City billionaire Donald Trump come in to tell them they're alright must be very validating.
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TheBalor posted:It seems like a lot of the Bernie people going to Trump are motivated by a mixture of rage and despair. They want to lash out at the establishment in any way they can, and who's more establishment than Hillary Clinton? I'm convinced that Hillary Clinton is like Kali; her name just happens to also belong to an otherwise unrelated demon of corruption and greed.
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People are sick of fear and wedge issues meant to control them. That's where Trump is shining. He's not only saying he's going to make America great again. He's saying no to bad trade bills aimed towards globalization that both parties are supporting. He's saying no to increased H-1B visas that hurt American workers that both parties are supporting. He's tapping into an ideal where we strive for better instead of conceding in the hope of keeping what little we have. Ironically, it's the same thing Bernie's tapping into except he isn't doing it with swagger. Look at people in this thread. They're trying to use fear to make you get in line with the democratic party. If you don't vote Hillary, all the brown people will be put into camps. If you don't vote Hillary, Donald Trump will pack the Supreme Court with judges from The Voice. If you don't vote Hillary, life as we know it in America will cease to exist. But the truth is, most of Trump's really terrible ideas will be blocked and there's a (slight) chance he'll be able to do some good from the bully pulpit just by rephrasing things that conservatives have been trained to oppose. If he's complete trash, he'll probably get voted out in a single term. Same thing can be said about Bernie. You can call people who find that appealing rubes but it's sure better than another eight years of neoliberal policies where democrats walk lockstep with the president who's actively undermining and working against progressive policies. Kilroy posted:The kind of people who support Trump, and for that matter the kind of people who support Bernie, tend not to follow local politics (much less participate in it), vote in midterm elections, and in general keep up the sustained pressure at every level on the ruling class, required to secure their liberty and equality. Most Americans do not do this, so it should come as no surprise that liberty and equality are in short supply in the States. Maybe the popularity of Bernie Sanders (and *sigh* maybe to a lesser degree even the popularity of Trump) is a sign they're coming around a bit, but then again so was voting Obama in 2008, yet come to find out most Americans thought they could solve most of their problems if they'd just vote for the right President once. I haven't seen any indication this has changed. This is pretty condescending. I vote in every election but there isn't much I can do when my local choices are (when they aren't running unopposed) conservative republican, slightly less conservative democrat and rich tea party third party. And it's really difficult to find out the minute details of what's going on locally when nobody's covering it. Short of going into politics or journalism, there isn't any way I (or most normal people) can fix that. Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Feb 28, 2016 |
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SlipUp posted:The base is more moderate than the establishment at this point. Now were getting somewhere. ..Trump isn't a 'right wing' populist. He's a centrist populist. One of his problems in the Republican Party's nomination contest is the feeling that he's 2/3 Democrat, 1/3 Republican. SlipUp posted:The establishment appealed to the extremes on every issue, but most people are only extreme in one area. I don't see where you are getting this. The "establishment lane" candidates are/were Rubio, Bush, Kasich, and Christy.
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Whitecloak posted:Hillary will continue business as usual and enrich her true constituents. I am not so driven by emotion that I will not consider making another choice, but every time I hear a so-called progressive media voice harping on the bigotry, illiteracy, uncultured swine of Middle America it gets a little harder. When Trump comes out and says, "I love the uneducated" and the nattering nabobs with Harvard credentials and trust funds scoff I want to smack them. That is what the establishment; Clinton, Bush, et all, represents. You are asking me to vote for a power structure that calls my friends and neighbors swine and all but ignores our interests entire. This is flat out bullshit. I grew up working class in the Midwest as well and find Trump be transparent as poo poo. Who cares if people with access to lots of power look down on me? That's how this works unless we're in a pre-industrial society. We live in the third largest country in the world, hierarchy and egos are going to happen. Democrats are by and large neo liberal ratfuckers but they're the best shot we have at the moment. If Bernie did not go up against the heir apparent he could be the frontrunner right now, despite the fact that he almost certainly did not expect half the traction he got in his run. It's just so goddamn juvenile--"Yeah I know he's going to make life worse for millions of people but AT LEAST HE PRETENDS TO RESPECT ME" give me a loving break.
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menino posted:It's just so goddamn juvenile--"Yeah I know he's going to make life worse for millions of people but AT LEAST HE PRETENDS TO RESPECT ME" give me a loving break. Or maybe it's a strategic negotiating ploy to make the Democratic Party prioritize working class issues. Bernie's success has already forced Clinton to adopt some of his issues
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menino posted:This is flat out bullshit. I grew up working class in the Midwest as well and find Trump be transparent as poo poo. Who cares if people with access to lots of power look down on me? That's how this works unless we're in a pre-industrial society. We live in the third largest country in the world, hierarchy and egos are going to happen. Democrats are by and large neo liberal ratfuckers but they're the best shot we have at the moment. If Bernie did not go up against the heir apparent he could be the frontrunner right now, despite the fact that he almost certainly did not expect half the traction he got in his run. Its not supposed to come from people who lean to the loving left man. You expect Republicans to be snide country club dickbags, not the so-called 'party of the people'. I'm not some big fan of Trump, I don't believe his rhetoric or find him appealing. I'm going off of my revulsion towards the Clinton machine and the fact that the man makes every single neoliberal, bought and paid for rear end in a top hat piss their pants. I'm not voting for neoliberal ratfuckers anymore. Democratic officials need to earn my vote. Earn it.
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I think people are forgetting that a Trump administration comes connected at the hip to a republican Congress. Trump's ideas may or may not be blocked, but you can bet your rear end that Congress will be quite busy repealing or privatizing basically every public institution created since FDR took office, exactly according to what their donors have paid them to do. If you believe that's going to help the working class, I don't know what to tell you. Better to have gridlock and to gain a SCOTUS that will be amenable to reversing Citizens United, imo.
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