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Amethyst posted:Blockchain has proven to be an excellent method for distributed authentication. The whole thing is techno-utopianism. Take their first point quote:Empower Specialists
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Amethyst posted:It will be, at most, one vote in the senate. I think it's reasonable to experiment on that scale. People have been speculating about voting alternatives for a long time and I think if you're interested in politics at all you should be able to see the value in this as an experiment. Sure, it's reasonable to experiment on a small scale, and it's not inherently a terrible idea (although its execution might be). But one actual vote is the worst place to do it, because at that scale it's impossible to show that representative democracy. It ultimately means that only the majority position is going to actually be put forward, making the whole thing meaningless. I'm all for small-scale experiments, but this isn't going to work like that. It likely won't work at all.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:What does that add to the political process though? If you read the plan closely, they have an idea to recruit specialists to craft policy proposals. People vote on the policies proposed by the specialists. And yeah, it's techno utopianism, but I still think it will make an interesting experiment. Look at other "wisdom of crowds" experiments, like prediction markets. It's worth it to satisfy intellectual curiosity, at the very least.
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Cleretic posted:Sure, it's reasonable to experiment on a small scale, and it's not inherently a terrible idea (although its execution might be). But one actual vote is the worst place to do it, because at that scale it's impossible to show that representative democracy. It ultimately means that only the majority position is going to actually be put forward, making the whole thing meaningless. I don't follow. Why is it impossible to show representative democracy if they have a system for citizens to register in the system?
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Mar 1, 2016 10:21
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what if democracy... was an App
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Mar 1, 2016 10:25
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Seagull posted:what if democracy... was an App lol hahahahah, excellent smarmy dismissal. Reminds me of that time goons epicly owned the poo poo out of the idiots behind bitcoin by correctly predicting it's implosion within the first year.
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Mar 1, 2016 10:26
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Direct democracy will only work once capitalism has been abolished. hth.
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Great OP Gold stars and high fives all round. PS we're hosed. 1) we're hosed because our economy is based on consumption, but consumers have less discretionary income due to stagnating wages and increased education and healthcare fees, so we should cut consumers pay 2) china will buy clean food, clean medicine and dump cash into real estate because the elite there have no faith in the CCP because everyones corrupt because everyones underpaid so corruption is a political thing when your sugar daddy pisses off the next chairman mao. Problem is this is not the 2008 SURGE GIVE ME EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM THE GROUND, because they have literally built ghost citys and run out of funding to make more ghost citys and I'd like a ghost city tower block so I can pretend there will be a Dredd 2
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Amethyst posted:I don't follow. Why is it impossible to show representative democracy if they have a system for citizens to register in the system? Because it's all working towards defining a single vote in the senate, meaning that anything less than a majority will have absolutely no effect. It doesn't matter if a policy vote on Flux comes down to a 51-49 split, or a 97-3, it will come out exactly the same. Any flaws with the actual idea in a 'real' context are irrelevant, because it's fighting for total control over a single vote, which likely won't come into play. An ideal 'test' of the idea would instead be total control of a smaller system; a local council, a university student body, something like that. I like the idea of having actual experts in the industry crafting their policies, but I don't think this is the right way to do that, either. You wouldn't want to bolt that onto an already experimental idea, you'd want something more reliable, a conventional party. Then there's the matter of finding the knowledgeable industry representatives, and I think you could quite easily do that by tapping into unions; being groups of common workers, they know better than anyone what their industry faces and how the government could aid them. Sort of a Labor Union Party... I could never see that working though, that'd be absurd.
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Mar 1, 2016 10:34
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Good riddance Joe Bullock
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Cleretic posted:Because it's all working towards defining a single vote in the senate, meaning that anything less than a majority will have absolutely no effect. It doesn't matter if a policy vote on Flux comes down to a 51-49 split, or a 97-3, it will come out exactly the same. Any flaws with the actual idea in a 'real' context are irrelevant, because it's fighting for total control over a single vote, which likely won't come into play. An ideal 'test' of the idea would instead be total control of a smaller system; a local council, a university student body, something like that. These are all perfectly valid critiques, but I don't see them as fatal. Depending on the results if flux ever manage to get a single senator, I can see them resolving these problems. You could come up with rules on how much of a majority is needed for certain types of legislation, for example.
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Amethyst posted:If you read the plan closely, they have an idea to recruit specialists to craft policy proposals. People vote on the policies proposed by the specialists. It also doesn't really answer the point. Their MPs aren't going to be voting solely on their own policy, and on everything else their position will be inherently populist, not solved by "those who are particularly well suited to solve that problem". You can have a technocracy or a direct democracy, not both. quote:It's worth it to satisfy intellectual curiosity, at the very least. I've got nothing against the idea of a party whose platform is decided directly by the members, it's the idea that the blockchain is the missing ingredient is the bit I find dumb. Solemn Sloth posted:Good riddance Joe Bullock Good.
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Mar 1, 2016 10:39
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Hahahha he is quitting as part of a tantrum against gays
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Mar 1, 2016 10:43
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Amethyst posted:Blockchain has proven to be an excellent method for distributed authentication. Amethyst, you've finally gone too far.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Hahahha he is quitting as part of a tantrum against gays spitting the dummy is how most of them are handling the fact that gay folks are considered real people these days
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Mar 1, 2016 11:04
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This flux thing looks decidedly not anonymous. I will stick to my secret ballots thanks.
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Mar 1, 2016 11:11
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Their ABC posted:"Instinctively I know if your job requires you to do which you believe to be wrong, there's only one course of action: resign," he said. Pity that doesn't extend to the torture of children.
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flux is just a somehow dumber version of Senator On Line which has been making GBS threads up your senate ballots for years, there's no new magic here
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Birdstrike posted:flux is just a somehow dumber version of Senator On Line which has been making GBS threads up your senate ballots for years, there's no new magic here Padding out resumes to go give TED and other pseudo-intellectual talks.
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Mar 1, 2016 11:51
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Hopefully Louise Pratt gets subbed in for Bulloch.
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Mar 1, 2016 12:09
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Solemn Sloth posted:Good riddance Joe Bullock Good, hopefully the right wingers in the Labor Party like the SDA are starting to get the clue about same sex marriage.
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Mar 1, 2016 12:17
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I believe that would be classified as a bestiality-threesome, would it not? *I hold no prejudice against beasts*
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Mar 1, 2016 14:01
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Louise Pratt is standing for the casual vacancy left by Bollocks' retirement. Also Andrew Bolt is wanting to pretend he didn't support Pell.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Louise Pratt is standing for the casual vacancy left by Bollocks' retirement. That is so perfect, and from Kitchen Cabinet Pratt seemed pretty cool for a Labor senator
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Robodog posted:That is so perfect, and from Kitchen Cabinet Pratt seemed pretty cool for a Labor senator I was legit angry that she got knocked down the senate voting slip for Bullock, that poo poo just highlights (part of) what's wrong with the ALP.
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If you are playing NRL Fantasy this year or are interested in playing there is a Goon League running, you don't even have to be into dog loving https://fantasy.nrl.com INVITE CODE: E2KN3WM4
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Amethyst posted:My god, that boomer article is depressing. quote:-/- Doctor Spaceman posted:Those pill testing kits are intended to detect things made accidentally instead of MDMA (because it's a complex chemical process and is easy to gently caress up), or might be deliberately substituted for cost reasons (speed, sugar, etc). It covers the basics pretty well. That would require analytical equipment rather than a colour changing strip.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Also Andrew Bolt is wanting to pretend he didn't support Pell. It would be if, just for once, it was someone besides Mediawatch holding Bolt's feet to the flame.
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http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/cops-raided-the-bondi-hotel-because-backpackers-kept-singing-hey-baby "Cops Raided Bondi Hotel Because Some Backpackers Were Singing ‘Hey Baby’"
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Kommando posted:That would require analytical equipment rather than a colour changing strip. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/stereosonic-throws-full-support-behind-pill-testing-20160301-gn7gtp.html quote:Stereosonic throws full support behind pill testing
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Imagine if passing marriage equality made all the right wingers quit politics in a huff. Like we needed more reason to get a move on with equal rights.
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hyperbowl posted:Which is what they're proposing. GC-MS is a pretty reasonable way to work out what's in your pill and testing concentration of only MDMA should be doable. interesting, they do know a GCMS isn't really portable? they're about the same volume as an open trestle table, not including gas supply. are they expecting people to wait an hour for results? This is awesome, new science jobs in my field!
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Although I hate his guts, I think Pyne is for same sex marriage. Then again he's for anything at the moment because he has a chance of losing his seat at the next election thanks to the ways the policies of his party have effected South Australia.
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Amoeba102 posted:Pyne looks like a minister getting them to repeat vows.  edit: \/ If I weren't poor I'd get this as a new avatar. MaliciousOnion fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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"... to have and to follow from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in leadership and after spills, until death do us part."
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