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I didn't realise that it had been a thing for a while. I saw Graun and New Statesman articles about it in my Fb feed from today, so I assumed that this was a new thing that HMG wanted to distract us from the spasming corpse of the NHS with. E: 1st March 1953, Premier Iosef Stalin suffers a stroke and collapses at his dacha. He doesn't regain consciousness and dies four days later. Helen Highwater fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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feedmegin posted:They'll soon be back. And in greater numbers. Helen Highwater posted:Did I hit my head and wake up in an alternate timeline where the feudal system was somehow still a thing in TYOOL 2016? Renaissance Robot posted:*tugs forelock*
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Darth Walrus posted:Funny thing is, if you check out Hugh Glass's Wikipedia article, that's pretty much what actually happened to the poor dude. He couldn't walk in real life. Nor did he have a son! And he didn't kill the bear on his own. Loads of it isn't really real to make it worse.
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Guavanaut posted:Oscars are a bourgeois construct. You think?
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# ? Mar 1, 2016 15:54 |
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Helen Highwater posted:What the gently caress is this? My city has none! I have never been this proud to live here.
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# ? Mar 1, 2016 15:54 |
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Helen Highwater posted:What the gently caress is this? I like the map showing warheads going off and ranking it by megadeaths. Yes... Clean the UK...
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TinTower posted:Well, yeah. Tangerine was superior in every way and got totally snubbed. Tangerine was good but it wasn't that good, it was better than The Danish Girl but that was a massive piece of poo poo. The best film of last year was either The Look of Silence or Inside Out, the former didn't even win documentary which is absurd.
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StoneOfShame posted:Tangerine was good but it wasn't that good, it was better than The Danish Girl but that was a massive piece of poo poo. The best film of last year was either The Look of Silence or Inside Out, the former didn't even win documentary which is absurd. Those are weird ways of spelling Mad Max Fury Road.
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Barry Foster posted:Those are weird ways of spelling Mad Max Fury Road. I really enjoyed Mad Max, I really did but not ad much as everyone else for some reason, I mean its been pushed as like the greatest action movie of recent years but for my money its nowhere near as good as Dredd was. On the subject of Dredd looks like the Snooper's charter is going to allow the police to hack phones!!! This government will implement the Judge system wont they.
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How are they actually going to hack the phones? It's one thing writing legislation permitting police to do something, but if legislation allowed police to phase through walls and take the form of animals it still wouldn't necessarily make it possible. I guess there are known vulnerabilities in some platforms, but Apple aren't acting like the type to cooperate and I can't imagine custom ROM providers for Android doing so either.
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StoneOfShame posted:I really enjoyed Mad Max, I really did but not ad much as everyone else for some reason, I mean its been pushed as like the greatest action movie of recent years but for my money its nowhere near as good as Dredd was. On the subject of Dredd looks like the Snooper's charter is going to allow the police to hack phones!!! This government will implement the Judge system wont they. Dredd didn't manage to piss off MRAs as much as Mad Max did and is therefore the inferior film.
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Guavanaut posted:How are they actually going to hack the phones? It's one thing writing legislation permitting police to do something, but if legislation allowed police to phase through walls and take the form of animals it still wouldn't necessarily make it possible. Supposedly by ordering Apple to do so: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/02/investigatory-powers-bill-and-apple quote:The newly proposed British spying law, the Investigatory Powers Bill (IPB), already includes methods that would permit the British government to order companies like Apple to re-engineer their own technology, just as the FBI is demanding. Worse, if the law passes, each of these methods would be accompanied by a gag order. Not only would Apple be expected to comply, but the IPB would insist that Tim Cook could not tell the public what was going on without breaking UK law. At least in the current fight between Apple and the US government, we're having the debate out loud and in public.
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Coohoolin posted:Dredd didn't manage to piss off MRAs as much as Mad Max did and is therefore the inferior film. Shame as they're quite similar in many regards. At least Mad Max could only be accused of ripping off itself. ...And now I want to see Dredd in the desert, the mooted plot of Dredd 2. Balls.
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dispatch_async posted:Supposedly by ordering Apple to do so: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/02/investigatory-powers-bill-and-apple As for Apple does the UK government even have the capability to enforce that kind of gagging on a multinational that they can't even enforce tax codes on? What if Tim Cook calls them out in public from the US? Do they try to extradite him? Good luck getting that one through a court. Gideon might be able to get some of his new friends like Huawei to do it, but I can't see it playing out at all like they want.
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dispatch_async posted:Supposedly by ordering Apple to do so: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/02/investigatory-powers-bill-and-apple yeah but they still physically can't do it, and if they aren't going to make Amazon pay tax they sure as gently caress won't arrest Tim Cook for something that they aren't going to be able to get anyone to say is possible. "We want to start recording all your data by secretly inserting code into your phones" is gibberish unless they actually have a method to do so, which they do not.
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Then we have the issue of whether or not they're capable of understanding all the metadata they want. Sure, large corporates can build profiles for people buying and selling things, but Big Data is still in the babysteps of understanding large-scale economic activity on a national level. If they want to start profiling protesters and terrorists, they're going to find out very rapidly the same thing sociology and psychology already knows; they don't exist as a seperate definable group. This government is having a lot of fun playing spy games but frankly they very clearly don't have a clue what they're doing, and we're supposed to be scared of a theresa may-backed bill after watching the hilarity of her attempting to define "drugs" as anything but "things my sort of white people shouldnt do"? She's evil, but she's not competent. She only kills people through stupidity.
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Kegluneq posted:Shame as they're quite similar in many regards. At least Mad Max could only be accused of ripping off itself. Dredd Max? Max Dredd? I see potential.
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Kegluneq posted:Shame as they're quite similar in many regards. At least Mad Max could only be accused of ripping off itself. The Long Walk would make for a good Dredd film. I think Dredd himself has done it about.. three times? Anyway, while most people read 2000AD as a kid and thought the Judge system and megacities were a terrible vision of a dystopian future the Tories thought they were something to aspire to. Eventually London will consume the rest of the UK turning it in to Brit-Cit and judges will patrol the streets meting out punishment.
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Some smartarse is going to come up with a fancy algorithm to convert terabytes of metadata into Oberleutnant's arrest warrent some day.
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dispatch_async posted:Supposedly by ordering Apple to do so: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/02/investigatory-powers-bill-and-apple I'd love to see Apple just go nuclear and threaten to stop selling the iPhone in the UK. They aren't that important to total UK phone sales or anything economically threatening, but I'd love to see how the optics play out for the Tories.
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Helen Highwater posted:What the gently caress is this? If you zoom out, there's an event in Saudi Arabia
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Spangly A posted:yeah but they still physically can't do it I get the very strong impression that legislators (and apparently also the FBI) believe that Apple are just being coy/evasive, because God knows if they were building a communications system they'd ram that fucker full of secret backdoors! (a thing gchq really did, iirc)
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Helen Highwater posted:What the gently caress is this? Zoom out a bit, there's an event organised for Saudi Arabia. Not sure how that works.
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Guavanaut posted:I can't see that working in the current climate, and I definitely can't see it working within the custom ROM communities. Most of them would just close shop if placed in that situation, like what probably happened with Lavabit. Most smartphones run two OSes - the regular one (Android/iOS) and another one which is an RTOS running the baseband processor (does all the low level talking to phone networks). Usually they talk to each other using the good old Hayes command set like in your 2400 baud modem from 1985 The RTOS is closed-source, proprietary and unmoddable, can sniff all of your network traffic (and probably RAM, flash etc depending on the implementation), and you can bet the manufacturers can put backdoors in it if they're not doing so already.
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Spangly A posted:the hilarity of her attempting to define "drugs" as anything but "things my sort of white people shouldnt do"? Renfield posted:If you zoom out, there's an event in Saudi Arabia Bedshaped posted:Some smartarse is going to come up with a fancy algorithm to convert terabytes of metadata into Oberleutnant's arrest warrent some day. e: ^^^ That's a point, didn't one of the UK agencies also infiltrate a SIM card manufacturer somewhere in the EU and pull some very unethical poo poo to steal private keys too?
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Spangly A posted:Then we have the issue of whether or not they're capable of understanding all the metadata they want. Sure, large corporates can build profiles for people buying and selling things, but Big Data is still in the babysteps of understanding large-scale economic activity on a national level. If they want to start profiling protesters and terrorists, they're going to find out very rapidly the same thing sociology and psychology already knows; they don't exist as a seperate definable group. Hail Hydra.
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Renaissance Robot posted:I get the very strong impression that legislators (and apparently also the FBI) believe that Apple are just being coy/evasive, because God knows if they were building a communications system they'd ram that fucker full of secret backdoors! (a thing gchq really did, iirc) GCHQ have the ability to eavesdrop on world leaders and, with that, do roughly gently caress all. I'm not an Adam Curtis fan generally but Bugger is certainly a worthwhile read, more for the examples given than the whole "Britain's never caught a spy" thing. Of course they're all paranoid lunatics. They're conservatives. That is what the word entails. I'm still far less concerned about them stamping their feet than I am on, say, the impact of an increase in violence and funding for Somalian gangs that the Khat ban opens a door to. Scion3872 posted:Zoom out a bit, there's an event organised for Saudi Arabia. Not sure how that works. Very Ethnically
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StoneOfShame posted:Tangerine was good but it wasn't that good, it was better than The Danish Girl but that was a massive piece of poo poo. The best film of last year was either The Look of Silence or Inside Out, the former didn't even win documentary which is absurd. And ordinarily, Tangerine would be Oscar bait in itself. I mean, a semi-biographical film about trans sex workers of colour? Academy would fall over themselves to give it nominations.
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Coohoolin posted:Dredd didn't manage to piss off MRAs as much as Mad Max did and is therefore the inferior film. Wasn't that largely because the MRAs weren't as vocally active then, they've always been about but the noise they generate has shot up over the last year. I do remember there some MRAs getting pissed off about Dredd.
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StoneOfShame posted:Wasn't that largely because the MRAs weren't as vocally active then, they've always been about but the noise they generate has shot up over the last year. I do remember there some MRAs getting pissed off about Dredd. Probably because it was *looks nervously at the shadows of the thread* before *glances one more time* [whispers] gamergate *flames block the exits, the sprinklers spray piss down on us all*
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What on earth is there in Dredd for MRAs to get mad about? And don't say "women"
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Goddamnit, I'd rather argue with fascists again than that lot.
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Renaissance Robot posted:What on earth is there in Dredd for MRAs to get mad about? Okay then. Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemales. More seriously Keg addressed this: Kegluneq posted:Shame as they're quite similar in many regards. At least Mad Max could only be accused of ripping off itself.
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twoot posted:I'd love to see Apple just go nuclear and threaten to stop selling the iPhone in the UK. A socialist MP in France proposed a similar bill, with a 1 million euro fine for refusing to comply. Not to be outdone, a right-wing MP proposed an amendment setting the fine at 2 million euros and adding a one-year ban on the phone model in question (A ban on iPhones, essentially). The right-wingers are also saying that refusing to assist investigations by decrypting phones is tantamount to being an accomplice in acts of terrorism. It's an impressive combo of batshit authoritarianism and not having the slightest idea what they're talking about.
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Lol at the comments on the article Keg posted, 'Dredd is egalitarian not feminist as it doesn't put one sex over the other.'
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Tesseraction posted:Probably because it was *looks nervously at the shadows of the thread* before *glances one more time* [whispers] gamergate It's actually about ethics in post-apocalyptic deathcar building.
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Kassad posted:A socialist MP in France proposed a similar bill, with a 1 million euro fine for refusing to comply. Not to be outdone, a right-wing MP proposed an amendment setting the fine at 2 million euros and adding a one-year ban on the phone model in question (A ban on iPhones, essentially). The right-wingers are also saying that refusing to assist investigations by decrypting phones is tantamount to being an accomplice in acts of terrorism. I'm sure that Apple is quaking in their boots at the prospect of a fine that amounts to less than a rounding error in their yearly revenue.
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Kassad posted:A socialist MP in France proposed a similar bill, with a 1 million euro fine for refusing to comply. Not to be outdone, a right-wing MP proposed an amendment setting the fine at 2 million euros and adding a one-year ban on the phone model in question (A ban on iPhones, essentially). The right-wingers are also saying that refusing to assist investigations by decrypting phones is tantamount to being an accomplice in acts of terrorism. I like to imagine this gets into an arms race between the two MPs where they raise the fine by 1 mil and the ban by a year with each new retaliatory bill.
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twoot posted:I'd love to see Apple just go nuclear and threaten to stop selling the iPhone in the UK. Kassad posted:A socialist MP in France proposed a similar bill, with a 1 million euro fine for refusing to comply. Not to be outdone, a right-wing MP proposed an amendment setting the fine at 2 million euros and adding a one-year ban on the phone model in question (A ban on iPhones, essentially). The right-wingers are also saying that refusing to assist investigations by decrypting phones is tantamount to being an accomplice in acts of terrorism. France banning the iPhone and Apple leaving the UK would probably be a bigger blow to the government than any amount of dead bodies ever were and I'm not entirely sure how to feel about that. Hilarious, depressing and terrifying at the same time. Pretty much a microcosm of this country actually.
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Kegluneq posted:Dredd 2. Balls. Dredd 2: Balls? Dredd is an excellent film, but Mad Max is a level beyond simply because of how much it accomplishes with so little dialogue. Miller's a miracle worker.
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