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I have an inordinate fondness for practical effects but yeah the actual story of star wars is literally the most derivative crap ever written.
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Coohoolin posted:Just rediscovered this wee gem. You missed out the first verse though???
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Mar 1, 2016 21:59
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Mar 1, 2016 22:02
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Cerv posted:i have not seen mad max fury road You should, though if you're a wuss like me be prepared to squirm in your seat and feel uncomfortable and slightly sick for the first third thanks to that loving IV sticking into his neck
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Mar 1, 2016 22:09
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MrL_JaKiri posted:In general, it was exceptionally well received. There was a Judge Dredd connection though, as Brendan McCarthy (one of my favourite Dredd artists) did the production designs. Maybe it would have worked better for me as a Dredd film than Mad Max, as demented punk cults led by bombastic psychos were the kind of mad poo poo Dredd ran into all the time in the Cursed Earth.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:11
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big scary monsters posted:I did. It was about an hour too long I feel like this is a valid criticism of most films these days. Honestly, anything over 2 hours in length & I'm questioning whether it's worth my time because there's almost certainly going to be a lot of filler. Apparently the art of editing movies went out the window at some point, I'm not entirely sure when but I feel like I want to blame Peter Jackson & his Lord of the Ring films but I'm probably forgetting dozens of examples from the decade previous. Although they are a lesson on being concise next to The Hobbit trilogy. But basically, I don't love the fact that every movie now feels like it needs the running time of an epic. Especially when so few actually earn that run time. Also, I shouldn't be surprised that Coohoolin likes The Corries, of course he'd like The Corries. I despair.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:12
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ThomasPaine posted:I can imagine the special effects being mindblowing in the 70s, but really when it comes to the plot, the universe, the characters etc there's just very little to like. The story is boring oversimplified good vs evil bullcrap, and the characters just had zero depth or were just caricatures, especially the antagonists. 'I'm the emperor. I'm evil! Why? Because I just am don't ask! Watch me shoot lightning!'. Some people talk about how great the world building is but it always seemed fairly shallow to me but I never bothered with the extended universe stuff so maybe it's all in that. In any case I seriously don't understand grown rear end 40 year old fanboys who obsess over the franchise and buy expensive collectibles and all that, and I am a massive, massive nerd for other things. Well, quite. I was nine when it came to our local pictures. The best SFX any of us kids had seen before on a big screen was the likes of The Land That Time Forgot or At The Earth's Core, so y'know.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:21
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My favorite films are Alien and The Thing. I really like practical effects.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:24
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ThomasPaine posted:I can imagine the special effects being mindblowing in the 70s, but really when it comes to the plot, the universe, the characters etc there's just very little to like. The story is boring oversimplified good vs evil bullcrap, and the characters just had zero depth or were just caricatures, especially the antagonists. 'I'm the emperor. I'm evil! Why? Because I just am don't ask! Watch me shoot lightning!'. Some people talk about how great the world building is but it always seemed fairly shallow to me but I never bothered with the extended universe stuff so maybe it's all in that. In any case I seriously don't understand grown rear end 40 year old fanboys who obsess over the franchise and buy expensive collectibles and all that, and I am a massive, massive nerd for other things. It's also more or less the first film where merchandising became A Big Thing. Not just A Thing, a Big one. For the first time, people were spending £££ on plastic crap so they could play pretend spaceman. I remember a holiday in Hastings, my dad gave me a fiver to buy toys. No question, no hesitation, 4 Star Wars figures 'cause they were £1.25 each. That year I busted my parents' asses to buy me the Millenium Falcon so I could put my figures in it and go MRRRRROOOOWWWWW and make it shoot my TIE Fighter if my X-Wing didn't get there first. So, now do you get the grown-rear end 40 year old fanboys (I'm not one, although someone gave me a plastic Darth Maul lightsabre once. Don't ask me why, I have no idea)?
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Mar 1, 2016 22:24
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Star Wars is superb science fantasy, doesn't need to be anything else. Fury Road is the only film I have ever seen that might match the perfection of Starship Troopers.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:28
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I think I read somewhere that the set of Alien is basically inspired by the works around Middlesbrough. Which is cool because the works are really cool to look at.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:29
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forkboy84 posted:I feel like this is a valid criticism of most films these days. Honestly, anything over 2 hours in length & I'm questioning whether it's worth my time because there's almost certainly going to be a lot of filler. Apparently the art of editing movies went out the window at some point, I'm not entirely sure when but I feel like I want to blame Peter Jackson & his Lord of the Ring films but I'm probably forgetting dozens of examples from the decade previous. Although they are a lesson on being concise next to The Hobbit trilogy. I miss the days when all films were 90 minutes long. It's a bit weird seeing as TV bingeing is becoming the norm (I'm saving up Better Call Saul until I can watch at least 4 at once) but the thought of having to sit and watch a three hour film makes me not want to bother. And I thought Mad Max Fury Road was okay, but I had no idea what was going on for a lot of it. Read a review that said it was like the band that said they wanted every instrument to be louder than everything else and that seemed about right.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:30
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forkboy84 posted:I feel like this is a valid criticism of most films these days. Honestly, anything over 2 hours in length & I'm questioning whether it's worth my time because there's almost certainly going to be a lot of filler. Apparently the art of editing movies went out the window at some point, I'm not entirely sure when but I feel like I want to blame Peter Jackson & his Lord of the Ring films but I'm probably forgetting dozens of examples from the decade previous. Although they are a lesson on being concise next to The Hobbit trilogy. We've been over this. The Corries are Cool and Good.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:32
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The intermission in the hateful eight was awesome precisely because it gave you the chance to have a piss and get another beer during a three hour movie
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Mar 1, 2016 22:34
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Voyeur posted:I'm in my forties and I remember the mile-long queue at Gravesend cinema to see the original and it was awesome because I was 8 years old. Like, AWESOME. LIGHTSABRES! LIGHT... SABRES! SWORDS MADE OF LIGHT THAT JUST CUT YOUR ARM OFF! LIKE *THAT*! We didn't question the little things like, none of it makes much sense, the story's trite and cliched and the characters are made of cardboard, IT HAD LIGHTSABRES. I can understand people in their 40s getting a nice bit of nostalgia from the old toys and the films but those aren't the people I mean. It's the people who go way beyond nostalgia and spend serious money on memorabilia while arguing about lore minuteae over the internet I don't get. Nerding over good things is one thing, but I just don't know why you'd do it over an objectively bad franchise. Star Wars is a bad franchise but seems to have an absolute fuckton of fanboys. For example this deeply troubling couple who recently became E/N stars: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3722319
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Mar 1, 2016 22:37
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hookerbot 5000 posted:I miss the days when all films were 90 minutes long. What days were those then? http://www.randalolson.com/2014/01/25/movies-arent-actually-much-longer-than-they-used-to-be/ hookerbot 5000 posted:And I thought Mad Max Fury Road was okay, but I had no idea what was going on for a lot of it. In a literal sense (don't understand the action) or in a more general sense? The latter makes sense, there's a huge amount of non-verbal story telling that you tend not to need to pay attention to with action films. (Fury Road takes great pains to have the thing you'll be focusing on at the end of one shot be the same point where you need to pay attention to in the next shot. It's really brilliantly done)
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Mar 1, 2016 22:40
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ThomasPaine posted:I can understand people in their 40s getting a nice bit of nostalgia from the old toys and the films but those aren't the people I mean. It's the people who go way beyond nostalgia and spend serious money on memorabilia while arguing about lore minuteae over the internet I don't get. Nerding over good things is one thing, but I just don't know why you'd do it over an objectively bad franchise. Star Wars is a bad franchise but seems to have an absolute fuckton of fanboys. There's a huge amount of merchandise, it's easy to understand, it's popular. People nerd out about the latest Transformers films and they've infinitely worse than any of the Star Wars films.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:44
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MrL_JaKiri posted:People nerd out about the latest Transformers films and they've infinitely worse than any of the Star Wars films. Yes and I don't understand that either
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Mar 1, 2016 22:47
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MrL_JaKiri posted:What days were those then? quote:Between 1985-2000, feature films grew back to the same length as in the 1960’s. This may explain why it’s usually Millennials (born 1980-2000) complaining that movies have gotten longer than they used to be: If you grew up watching movies in the 1980’s, they have gotten longer for you!
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Mar 1, 2016 22:51
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MrL_JaKiri posted:What days were those then? "1985-2000 Between 1985-2000, feature films grew back to the same length as in the 1960’s. This may explain why it’s usually Millennials (born 1980-2000) complaining that movies have gotten longer than they used to be: If you grew up watching movies in the 1980’s, they have gotten longer for you! Meanwhile, Generation Xers are shaking their head at Millennials wondering what the heck they’re talking about (as usual)." The 1980's apparently. Though it could be selection bias. quote:
Probably the non-verbal storytelling, I googled it after and there was a lot of stuff that I don't remember from the film at all. Doesn't help that I close my eyes when there's blood and people getting hacked up or squashed though.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:52
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Alan BStard posted:Ben Hur had good rowing. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf has the best rowing.
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OwlFancier posted:My favorite films are Alien and The Thing. Alien and the Thing are such wierd films to show to people who've never seen them before though. Like they are genre defining films that countless others have ripped off for decades, and because of that they can come across as all a bit rote.
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Mar 1, 2016 22:54
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hookerbot 5000 posted:"1985-2000 From an average of 110 minutes to 120 minutes; the 1930's were the last time hookerbot 5000 posted:all films were 90 minutes long Don't forget that children's films tend to be shorter, too. Kids in the nineties didn't watch A Few Good Men (138 minutes), we watched Aladdin (90 minutes). Although Home Alone loving 2 was 2 hours long so god knows.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:01
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Kids in the nineties didn't watch A Few Good Men (138 minutes) i did. it was my favourite movie. My favourite bit is at the end whee the hero says "thank god we had a few good men".
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Mar 1, 2016 23:02
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hookerbot 5000 posted:The 1980's apparently. Though it could be selection bias. forkboy84 posted:Also, I shouldn't be surprised that Coohoolin likes The Corries, of course he'd like The Corries. I despair. Voyeur posted:LIGHTSABRES! LIGHT... SABRES! SWORDS MADE OF LIGHT THAT JUST CUT YOUR ARM OFF! LIKE *THAT*!
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Mar 1, 2016 23:03
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Oberleutnant posted:i did. it was my favourite movie. My favourite bit is at the end whee the hero says "thank god we had a few good men". You want a few good men? You can't handle a few good men
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Guavanaut posted:A guy called Vader being some main characters' dad. He was called Darth Vader before he was some character's dad, that's just coincidence.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:10
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Given Lucas's love for dumb naming I can't believe he didn't have all that planned in advance.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:You want a few good men? You can't handle a few good men Oh you were the kid with porno access
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ThomasPaine posted:I can understand people in their 40s getting a nice bit of nostalgia from the old toys and the films but those aren't the people I mean. It's the people who go way beyond nostalgia and spend serious money on memorabilia while arguing about lore minuteae over the internet I don't get. Nerding over good things is one thing, but I just don't know why you'd do it over an objectively bad franchise. Star Wars is a bad franchise but seems to have an absolute fuckton of fanboys. We just weren't prepared for merchandising, and now there's a bunch of middle-aged idiots with more money than sense willing to buy ALL of that poo poo. Also, you're questioning the little things; obvious no-no if you want to be The Best Fanboy. quote:For example this deeply troubling couple who recently became E/N stars: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3722319
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Don't forget that children's films tend to be shorter, too. Kids in the nineties didn't watch A Few Good Men (138 minutes), we watched Aladdin (90 minutes). Kids in the 70s saw Jaws in the cinema at 130 minutes, and we liked* it! *apart from from that bit with the head in the boat which lead to me watching the rest of the film through my fingers and there were a few nightmares afterwards
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serious gaylord posted:Alien and the Thing are such wierd films to show to people who've never seen them before though. Like they are genre defining films that countless others have ripped off for decades, and because of that they can come across as all a bit rote. I can sort of see that I guess, though I would personally argue that very few if any films actually copy their format. It's very rare to find anything as suspenseful as either of those films, or with that kind of atmosphere and pacing. Like the basic premise of being stuck in a place with a monster is perhaps a commonish thing, but both of those films are so defined by the execution of that idea, and that execution is really something I've never seen elsewhere. I guess to me it's perhaps exemplified by the transition from Alien to Aliens, Aliens is really easy to see in modern films, almost verbatim, whereas Alien still stands pretty alone in many ways. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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Voyeur posted:Yeah, they're hosed. And drat you, now I've gotta plough my way through 184 pages of human catastrophe, like I didn't have enough to do trying to keep up with this thread. It's a hell of a read. Seriously everyone should read it. The gist is: 'I want to have a kid but I just can't seem to save any money up, please help me budget. My monthly expenses are $1.5k on the mortgage, $1k on food (can't cook lol), $500 on other poo poo, and another $1.5k on loving star wars toys and band merch'.
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Guavanaut posted:Given Lucas's love for dumb naming I can't believe he didn't have all that planned in advance. The Adventures of Luke Starkiller as taken from the Journal of the Whills, Saga I: The Star Wars That was the name of the final pre-production draft of the film that simply became known as "Star Wars". Planning wasn't his thing (also, in the first draft of Empire Luke's father appeared as a ghost which kiboshes all the planned out stuff)
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JFairfax posted:The intermission in the hateful eight was awesome precisely because it gave you the chance to have a piss and get another beer during a three hour movie Given how loving long modern movies are I am always shocked they don't put in intermissions in order to play more ads and sell more lovely overpriced food and drink. It seems like an exquisitely capitalist thing to do, I'm baffled as to why they haven't.
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ThomasPaine posted:It's a hell of a read. Seriously everyone should read it. https://twitter.com/dril/status/384408932061417472
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The Adventures of Luke Starkiller as taken from the Journal of the Whills, Saga I: The Star Wars Huh, that's kind of neat, the main character in the Force Unleashed games is called starkiller, but he's supposed to be the bad guy. E: oh no its me the star wars nerd is coming from inside the post
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thespaceinvader posted:Given how loving long modern movies are I am always shocked they don't put in intermissions in order to play more ads and sell more lovely overpriced food and drink. It seems like an exquisitely capitalist thing to do, I'm baffled as to why they haven't. I went to a seaside cinema that put an intermission between the trailers and the movie. gently caress's sake. OwlFancier posted:Huh, that's kind of neat, the main character in the Force Unleashed games is called starkiller, but he's supposed to be the bad guy. Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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It's literally this but not a joke and she actually did end up getting pregnant so my thoughts are with that poor child
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MrL_JaKiri posted:(Fury Road takes great pains to have the thing you'll be focusing on at the end of one shot be the same point where you need to pay attention to in the next shot. It's really brilliantly done) Here's a really interesting, if very short, video essay on this idea. I think there's a longer one that goes a bit more in-depth and beyond just "centre framing," to show how movement across the frame is continued in match cuts, but I can't seem to find it right now.
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