CelticPredator posted:

It's a silly scene. For every reason stated. Doesn't mean it can work for you though. Like, a lot of people hate Chappie, but it worked for me, even the end which is kind of dumb and doesn't make a whole lot of sense, still holds up in an endearing way.

I just think there's something awkward about all of it. I get the point, but I feel like if he said mom, that'd be more powerful. And yeah, conventional.

"THEY'RE GOING TO KILL M-MOM!"

"I'll kill your Alien mother after I'm done with you."

"M-Martha Ke-ee-eennn-

Batman pauses. He remembers. The memories flood back.

"WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!!???"

Same scene, just with a little more...normalcy? It's just...odd the way it's presented, why would Superman just straight up say Martha? It's like they didn't want the obvious thing, so they used this really odd connection to bring it all together. It just does not work for me,.

teagone posted:

Crossposting something I wrote a few months back in BSS. Man, forum search feature is so much better than I remember it lmao.

Hodgepodge posted:

Maybe it was just the build-up, but when I finally saw that scene it didn't seem weird at all

People make it out to be The Room levels of awkward and it just can't live up to that.

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

There's already a rumor that WB is eying Ryan Gosling as Affleck's replacement. This rumor also says that WB isn't sure on how proceed with the change yet, either use Flashpoint to change actors or cast Gosling as Dick Grayson and make him took over the mantle.

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

In what it can only be the start of an endless amount of rumors, now is being said that Reeves is eyeing Jake Gyllenhaal to replace Affleck, with the idea of The Batman being moved to the Elseworld line of films or making it a prequel to BvS

Pirate Jet posted:

We won't. I know everyone in CineD keeps hoping for this but it's never going to happen. Justice League was straight up unfinished when Snyder left, the only way something like that happens is the Superman 2 situation and the internet has already decided it likes Snyder way way less than Richard Donner.

We were robbed of another Snyder movie and we're not going to get it back, because people are actually happy that we were.

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

its hard to be worse than beavis

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Anyway look at what they've done with Blade Runner and Army of Darkness, if they think there is an audience there I'm sure they'll do it.

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Original production

Production on Superman II was commenced simultaneously with Superman at Pinewood Studios in London under the direction of Richard Donner in April 1977. However, due to the expensive budget and overlong shooting schedule of both features, producers Alexander and Ilya Salkind agreed to a negative pickup deal with Warner Bros. granting the studio rights to foreign distribution and television airings in exchange for more financing. This deal caused the Salkinds and producer Pierre Spengler to blame Donner for the various delays, leading to intense arguments. To ease the tension, the Salkinds hired Richard Lester—who had previously directed The Three Musketeers (1973) and The Four Musketeers (1974) for the Salkinds—as an uncredited line producer and intermediary on Superman.

In August 1977, with shooting lasting a year over schedule, Lester convinced Donner to halt production on Superman II in order for Donner to concentrate on finishing the first film in time for a Christmas release. However, this decision did not affect scenes featuring Gene Hackman, Ned Beatty, and Valerie Perrine as they were all under contract to finish both pictures. After their scenes wrapped in October 1977, Superman II was officially put on hiatus.

On March 15, 1979, shortly after the release of Superman, the Salkinds replaced Donner with Lester for Superman II. The exact reasoning and details behind Donner's departure are still debated. In his 2006 DVD commentary for Superman II, Spengler claims that Donner was indeed invited back to finish the sequel, but that Donner refused, telling Army Archerd in a March 1978 interview for Variety magazine that he would not be returning to direct as long as Spengler was acting producer. However, Donner told Starlog in 1989 that he was not invited back and that he did not know production had continued on the sequel until he received a telegram from the Salkinds telling him: "Your services are no longer needed."

The decision to replace Donner was controversial amongst the cast and crew. Creative consultant Tom Mankiewicz and editor Stuart Baird declined to return for the sequel in support of Donner; however, Mankiewicz was still credited for the sequel. Gene Hackman also declined to return for re-shoots due to his commitment on Reds and was replaced by a body double. Actor Marlon Brando, who finished all his scenes for both films early into production, successfully sued the Salkinds for $50 million over grossed profits gained from the first film. In response, the Salkinds cut Brando from Superman II, replacing his scenes with actress Susannah York. John Williams also did not return as composer for Superman II due to scheduling commitments with Lucasfilm. The film's score used Williams's themes from the first film, adapted by composer Ken Thorne, who had worked with Lester many times before, including on the 1965 Beatles film Help!.

Production on Superman II officially recommenced with Richard Lester as director on June 1, 1979. Originally, the Salkinds considered Guy Hamilton for director, but he declined. On the first day of filming, set designer John Barry suddenly collapsed on the nearby set of The Empire Strikes Back and died from meningitis. Peter Murton was then hired in Barry's place. Principal photography resumed at Pinewood Studios with a revised screenplay written by David and Leslie Newman. The new script featured several newly conceived scenes including the Eiffel Tower opening sequence and Clark rescuing Lois at Niagara Falls. However, under strict guidelines from the Directors Guild of America, Lester needed to re-shoot several scenes Donner had already completed in order to receive full directorial credit. Location shooting took place in Canada, Paris, Norway and St Lucia, and the Metropolis scenes—in contrast to the first film where they were filmed on location in New York—were filmed entirely on the back lot at Pinewood. Superman II finally finished filming on March 10, 1980.

Due to budgetary reasons and actors being unavailable, key scenes filmed by Donner were added to the final film. Since the Lester footage was shot two years later, continuity errors are present in the physique and styling of stars Margot Kidder and Christopher Reeve. In Donner's footage, Reeve appears less bulked as he was still gaining muscle for the part. Kidder also has dramatic changes throughout; in the montage of Lester-Donner material, shot inside the Daily Planet and the Fortress of Solitude near the movie's conclusion, her hairstyle, hair color, and even make-up are all inconsistent. Kidder's physical appearance in the Lester footage is noticeably different; during the scenes shot for Donner she appears slender, whereas in the Lester footage she looks thinner.

Mechafunkzilla posted:

There's a craven, cowardly pro-gun control senator who keeps getting sick burns dropped on him about how he's a hypocrite for hiring armed security guards. And then there's a scene where the a CCW-carring reporter could have taken out a terrorist and saved the day if only she hadn't been forced to take her gun out of her purse going into a hotel room to interview said senator.

Al Borland Corp. posted:

Ok so I just got to see Justice league and here's my serious review of it. Before I review, wow, the situation was dire there, a BigD screen with maybe two dozen people there. Though this is SEC country and it's a Saturday.

Anyway, the movie was fairly average to above average, leaning towards average. There character interplay was good, action was good but very sporadic. Each member of the league has good moments and are fun to watch.

Steppenwolf has been talked about as being one of the worst villains ever... I don't really find that to be true. He has a cool design, cool voice and good line delivery, and seemed fairly evenly matched with the (pre Superman) league. His main problem is being an unrecognizable character no one has ever known or cared about in a film of iconic characters. I'm fairly sure if Jack Kirby were alive and you asked what he thought of the decision to make Steppenwolf the main villain of Justice League, he would say "Who?" The scenes and flashbacks he is in are better than the scenes he isn't in, and that passes my test of being a good villain. One interesting thing I thought tied him to the league was his obsession with mother. Everyone on the team has a pathos about their mom except maybe Diana, and well, he was after their mothers. Calling out to mother all the time. I'm actually really surprised I didn't see this mentioned in many reviews or write ups, it seems like something people who are not me would really hate, but no one really mentioned it at all.

By far the worst thing about the movie was the score. If anything was going to take me out of the film, everytime I heard that generic crap or reheated 80s themes, I wished someone, anyone else had done the music. That's such a big component of movies it really hurts the film. Danny Elfman needs to go to movie jail for film crimes. Bring back Junkie XL.

Overall I think if you hated Batman v Superman you would think Justice League is a lot better. If you liked Batman v Superman you would think Justice League was a huge step backwards.

DC finally made a Marvel movie. It was 2 hours, I saw it, mostly enjoyed it, and now will proceed to completely forget about it and probably not see it again.

Al Borland Corp. posted:

Their therapist is Granny Goodness

The MSJ posted:

JL also current has the best user rating for a DCEU movie after Wonder Woman.

Blazing Ownager posted:

Having to list some super lovely movies in there to make the comparison. No, he had NO characterization and his motive was super clear. Not because it was a rip-off of every superhero movie, but the plot was (and I am SHOCKED nobody's calling this more) directly inspired by loving TRANSFORMERS: DARK OF THE GODDAMN MOON.

Blazing Ownager posted:

I think this thread is mostly populated by hardcore Snyder fans who think Wheedon broke their previous movie rather than Wheedon coming in and trying to bail water out of a sinking ship to make something remotely watchable under a 2 hour mandate with half completed footage.

Blazing Ownager posted:

Ah, yep. I definitely stand correction. They are all one big blur of twisting metal and crunches after the first one sometimes to me. I have no idea how I managed to see all of them up until the Knight one...

That said, it was basically the same story except he needed 3 McGuffins instead of 1 McGuffin. Steppenwolf like a boss from a video game.. not even the end boss. More like a side quest.

Blazing Ownager posted:

Avengers was way more competent than this poo poo. Hell, even Age of Ultron, which I thought was one of the weakest Marvel movies ever, was more competent than this poo poo.

Blazing Ownager posted:

Oh I'll give you that. I don't hate Snyder: I liked Watchmen a lot, for example.

That man belongs directing films written by other people that he has no control of other than visually. He'd be great at that. But I think his story ideas, while trying to sound smart, are literally dumber than Paul WS Anderson, but they do look pretty.

Like I just can't watch BvsS given not one loving thing about the story makes any sense whatsoever even if you are trying not to think about it. I'll take Justice League's simple "I NEED THE THING TO DO THE THING, I AM EVIL" simple over rambling clever speeches that have no point for no reason.

Blazing Ownager posted:

Lex Luthor's motivation was never clear. He wanted the two to fight, for reasons. And stuff. He also just had all this info for no reason, like who Superman's mother was or about Batman and all that crap, but I'll hand wave that. But here's the big "yeah this is stupid as gently caress" stuff off the VERY top of my head and there IS more:

1: Trying to frame Superman by shooting and burning people. Uhhhh, what?
2: Getting a guy really angry at Superman so he, uh, blows up Congress
3: .. despite the fact that not a single person actually blames or would blame Superman for that, so..
4: .. he continues his quest to see Superman die for REASONS and trying to make Batman do it ..
5: Somehow gets Superman's mother so Superman goes and acts like a dick to Batman instead of just explaining it
6: Titular Versus fight last 5 minutes
7: MARRRRRRTHA
8: Throw the spear away! I did this so we could go get it later!
9: Superman can't possibly pass the spear to a new ally like Wonder Woman to use it because.. uh.. because..
10: Did they really turn Doomsday into a generic CGI Troll?
11: Did they really waste the Superman death for no Goddamn reason at this point?

The characters WERE hosed up. Superman acted like a depressed dick all the time and Batman was down with running over the heads of criminals with his car in ways that'd make the Punisher go "that was hosed up," and I won't even get started on the Jolly Ranchers and Jars of Piss or the whole extended reveals that Eisenberg was talking to aliens.. for.. uh reasons.. given he hates aliens and Godlike aliens.. yet seemed to want to call aliens that call themselves Gods here to uh, fight the God he doesn't like because uh, he doesn't like Gods and Superman is a God and uh.... the gently caress was he doing again?

Saying nothing of just stupid, not plot breaking choices like the hilarious emailed hero scene, the way Wonder Woman get sprinkled into the movie despite everyone knowing what was coming, the way Batman was running around branding people for reasons.. again odd loving decisions attempting to rip off Dark Knight with NONE of the context of the fight or situation or understanding what was INTENTIONAL parody.

ED: Killing a nearly uncredited Jimmy Olsen is loving hilarious too

ED: Seriously for all those going 'Oh the plot was wonderfully simple' please for the love of God, play by play Luthor's motivation. I dare you. It's impossible. Or Batman's for that matter. Superman's seems to be looking unhappy saving people until finally brought in to save his mother instead of, you know, just saving her.

Mechafunkzilla posted:

lol

WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:

well this is a real letdown

LesterGroans posted:

Glad Snyder won't have anything to do with a solo Flash film. He'd probably end up just running around and hurting people.

LesterGroans posted:

It's still really annoying that we didn't get a moustached leather daddy Superman.

got any sevens posted:

Yessss, jlaw owns

Arent there women writers that couls be hired for batgirl?

WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:

Right. The corollary of this is that no movie, from Underworld 7 to Salo to A Serbian Film to Hostel to My Little Pony: Pinky Pie's Day Off, is "just [for] fun." That itself implies a success or fail state, "was the movie successful, a balance of creativity and fidelity to the Eli Roth-Reboot My Little Pony shared universe?" Actually a movie is successful if it evokes a concordant response in you like, now I want to go create my own thing, even if that thing is just a scathing two thousand word essay against Zack Snyder's worship of chromed male abdominals. All that the binary question creates is Culture War bullshit or, "what do the Seahawks draft first: O-line or wideouts?"

Mr. Apollo posted:

https://twitter.com/pattyjenks/status/936447455515762690

Jenny Angel posted:

He's also just a genuinely unpleasant and loathsome person to be around, which is a big change of pace from a lot of comic book villains that try to be imposing or cool first and foremost

Burkion posted:

If you seek his monument, look around you.

SleepCousinDeath posted:

Brother Entropy posted:

an animal suddenly talking at a dramatic moment is a pretty funny idea though

GonSmithe posted:

No one knows what Battle Angle Alita is, are you kidding me?

Walk up to 200 people and ask them if they know and you'd be lucky to get one.

hiddenriverninja posted:

get ready for white akira

Detective No. 27 posted:

Beavis might be the first movie I watch in 2018.