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YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Post about European (mainly EU but not only) politics ITT. Please remember to leave your sexism, racism, etc. at the doorstep.

modedit: new rule: no fascism allowed!!!

Somebody fucked around with this message at 09:56 on Mar 7, 2016

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CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."
Ground zero.

But for me it's mainly just: No more ODing on identity politics please, unless we deliberately want to create another shitswamp.

So, I caught some chatter over Yahoo news about an announcement coming today. Lots of interesting stuff, like a European coastguard supposedly being in the making, maybe a rework on a Brusslles-centered immigration application process, that would include all of the EU as opposed to the previous one, that stated you have to apply for asylum in the EU country you arrive in (which Merkel gladly undermined). And other things too, like officially declaring the current Balkans route closed in conjunction or right before that.

Thoughts? Links to more in-depth articles than I can see in the short time, before I have to leave?

CrazyLoon fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Mar 7, 2016

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

CrazyLoon posted:

Ground zero.

But for me it's mainly just: No more ODing on identity politics please, unless we deliberately want to create another shitswamp.

So, I caught some chatter over Yahoo news about an announcement coming today. Lots of interesting stuff, like a European coastguard supposedly being in the making, maybe a rework on a Brusslles-centered immigration application process, that would include all of the EU as opposed to the previous one, that stated you have to apply for asylum in the EU country you arrive in (which Merkel gladly undermined). And other things too, like officially declaring the current Balkans route closed in conjunction or right before that.

Thoughts? Links to more in-depth articles than I can see in the short time, before I have to leave?

Such a change would require treaty change so it's not more than a thought experiment by the EC at the moment. Moreover it would introduce a huge moral hazard, where the frontier countries no longer need to secure their borders, or to be more precise, no longer have an economic incentive to do so, which would increase the influx of immigrants into the EU.

I guess if at some future point the EU has an EU border guard, which has full authority to operate in the whole EU without getting hosed over by countries claiming their national sovereignty is violated or by the EC who change the rules on the fly to suit their political agenda of the day, then such a system could work. But in that alternate reality pigs are flying anyway.


As for the summit, here is what they will agree on today

https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/706752098050940928

Congratz to Austria-Hungary, they have won in Europe for the first time in over a century. Habsburg supremacy on the rise again?

PS: Exactly what I predicted after Merkels interview last week happened, Berlin is now officially endorsing the closure of the Macedonian/Greek border.

GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Mar 7, 2016

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


There is a summit in Smyrna/Izmir today that these proposals are related to. We'll see what comes out of it.

Identity politics are fine as long as they are in relation to European politics, and as long discussion is kept civil and does not derail everything else.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

GaussianCopula posted:

PS: Exactly what I predicted after Merkels interview last week happened, Berlin is now officially endorsing the closure of the Macedonian/Greek border.

So what are the chances of the "collective responsibility" actually meaning anything? Will Berlin push for "sharing the burden" or will it suffice to just throw more money at Greece?

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

YF-23 posted:

There is a summit in Smyrna/Izmir today that these proposals are related to. We'll see what comes out of it.

Please stop using your Revanchist names for all your neighbors, maybe not being hostile to them would improve your own situation, just a hint. But what kind of summit is that?

Rappaport posted:

So what are the chances of the "collective responsibility" actually meaning anything? Will Berlin push for "sharing the burden" or will it suffice to just throw more money at Greece?

They are implementing the resettlement plan for 160k at the moment, with Portugal and France having taken a few refugees tonight. Other than that there might be some resettlement directly from Turkey if Turkey plays ball and the number of refugees that arrive in Greece drop drastically. If that does not happen, we will see.

GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Mar 7, 2016

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


GaussianCopula posted:

Please stop using your Revanchist names for all your neighbors, maybe not being hostile to them would improve your own situation, just a hint. But what kind of summit is that?

IIRC it's the EU-Turkey summit on immigration that was postponed after a terrorist strike in Turkey a couple weeks back.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

GaussianCopula posted:

They are implementing the resettlement plan for 160k at the moment, with Portugal and France having taken a few refugees tonight. Other than that there might be some resettlement directly from Turkey if Turkey plays ball and the number of refugees that arrive in Greece drop drastically. If that does not happen, we will see.

I don't speak German so sorry if these questions are dumb; there was noise some time ago that Merkel is facing heavy criticism for her "open arms" rhetoric, has something changed in the German political landscape that'd drive the push for distributing refugees into the EU? Finland is currently having a poo poo-show with our internal politics and no one is discussing the refugee crisis, but it doesn't seem like the issue has become any less controversial.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

YF-23 posted:

IIRC it's the EU-Turkey summit on immigration that was postponed after a terrorist strike in Turkey a couple weeks back.

Nope, that's in Brussels too.

Rappaport posted:

I don't speak German so sorry if these questions are dumb; there was noise some time ago that Merkel is facing heavy criticism for her "open arms" rhetoric, has something changed in the German political landscape that'd drive the push for distributing refugees into the EU? Finland is currently having a poo poo-show with our internal politics and no one is discussing the refugee crisis, but it doesn't seem like the issue has become any less controversial.

Well the far-right populists of the "Alternative für Deutschland", who a lot of people believed to be dead early last summer, when they decided to switch from being an anti Euro bailout party to being outright racists, rose like Phoenix from the ashes and just yesterday was the 3rd biggest party in the municipal elections in Hesse with around 13%. There are 3 important state elections next week, and it looks like they might even beat the SPD in one or two of those states.

Will that drive a push to distribute refugees across the EU? I don't think so, because the current alternative is keeping them in Greece. There is no way that the refugees that are already in Germany are going to get distributed and no one is even entertaining that idea, so I'm not sure how a distribution plan would help the situation in Germany.

GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Mar 7, 2016

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


GaussianCopula posted:

Nope, that's in Brussels too.

My bad, it looks like the thing I was referring to is a Greco-Turkish thing that will take place tomorrow.It remains relevant in the context of the refugee crisis and Tsipras and Davoutoglu will meet so it's something to keep in mind.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

GaussianCopula posted:

Well the far-right populists of the "Alternative für Deutschland", who a lot of people believed to be dead early last summer, when they decided to switch from being an anti Euro bailout party to being outright racists, rose like Phoenix from the ashes and just yesterday was the 3rd biggest party in the municipal elections in Hesse with around 13%. There are 3 important state elections next week, and it looks like they might even beat the SPD in one or two of those states.

Will that drive a push to distribute refugees across the EU? I don't think so, because the current alternative is keeping them in Greece. There is no way that the refugees that are already in Germany are going to get distributed and no one is even entertaining that idea, so I'm not sure how a distribution plan would help the situation in Germany.

Thanks for your patience :)

Okay, so what are the not-racist parties suggesting? Presumably they'd want to isolate the openly racist party representatives even if they win elections. Are there any (not racist) ideas about what should happen with the refugees already in Germany?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Rappaport posted:

Are there any (not racist) ideas about what should happen with the refugees already in Germany?

I'd assume house them, educate them, and employ them. Have you actually looked at the different parties' ideas yourself?

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Aliquid posted:

I'd assume house them, educate them, and employ them. Have you actually looked at the different parties' ideas yourself?

I admit to being a lazy goon, but it seems simpler to have a distilled version of what the various parties are saying rather than trying to wade through whatever gobbledygook they've bothered to translate on their websites for us non-Germans :shrug: I'm sorry if my inefficient behaviour angers and or saddens you, friend, but I'm simply trying to hear what the man on the street in Germany thinks is going on!

Housing, educating and employing people sound like good ideas, but it would be helpful if something a bit more detailed was on offer. There's fairly substantial unemployment in Finland, for example, and while even I am dimly aware that Germany is doing much better on the economic front, there are still questions of language and cultural barriers, systematic racism and so forth. Right? So how do the folks who aren't calling for FULL SCALE HITLER want to tackle these problems? Much of the discussion in Finland, for example, has been revolving around how many folks we can ship back out of Europe, and I'm curious if the not-racist parties in Germany have a more pro-active mindset.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Rappaport posted:

I admit to being a lazy goon, but it seems simpler to have a distilled version of what the various parties are saying rather than trying to wade through whatever gobbledygook they've bothered to translate on their websites for us non-Germans :shrug: I'm sorry if my inefficient behaviour angers and or saddens you, friend, but I'm simply trying to hear what the man on the street in Germany thinks is going on!

Housing, educating and employing people sound like good ideas, but it would be helpful if something a bit more detailed was on offer. There's fairly substantial unemployment in Finland, for example, and while even I am dimly aware that Germany is doing much better on the economic front, there are still questions of language and cultural barriers, systematic racism and so forth. Right? So how do the folks who aren't calling for FULL SCALE HITLER want to tackle these problems? Much of the discussion in Finland, for example, has been revolving around how many folks we can ship back out of Europe, and I'm curious if the not-racist parties in Germany have a more pro-active mindset.

All parties except for the AfD and the National Socialists are behind Merkel right now. Refugees from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq have a very high chance to receive asylum and if they stay for three(?) years, they will get permanent residence.

Integration assistance varies a lot. People are getting everything from free entrance to public pools to free language courses. A lot of the support is from NGOs, so there is not a single system with a single approach for the entire country.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

waitwhatno posted:

All parties except for the AfD and the National Socialists are behind Merkel right now. Refugees from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq have a very high chance to receive asylum and if they stay for three(?) years, they will get permanent residence.

Integration assistance varies a lot. People are getting everything from free entrance to public pools to free language courses. A lot of the support is from NGOs, so there is not a single system with a single approach for the entire country.

If they stay for three years they will get permanent asylum, which can be revoked as soon as the reason for their asylum is no longer given.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

GaussianCopula posted:

If they stay for three years they will get permanent asylum, which can be revoked as soon as the reason for their asylum is no longer given.

We already had this discussion in the Germany thread, remember?

http://www.bamf.de/DE/Migration/AsylFluechtlinge/Asylverfahren/Rechtsfolgen/rechtsfolgen-node.html

The Niederlassungserlaubnis/"Permit to settle" is permanent and unconditional, as the name suggests.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

waitwhatno posted:

We already had this discussion in the Germany thread, remember?

http://www.bamf.de/DE/Migration/AsylFluechtlinge/Asylverfahren/Rechtsfolgen/rechtsfolgen-node.html

The Niederlassungserlaubnis/"Permit to settle" is permanent and unconditional, as the name suggests.


quote:

Nach den drei Jahren wird eine unbefristete Niederlassungserlaubnis erteilt, wenn das Bundesamt für Migration und Flüchtlinge der Ausländerbehörde mitgeteilt hat, dass die Asylberechtigung bzw. die Flüchtlingsfeststellung nicht zu widerrufen oder zurückzunehmen ist. Ein Widerruf oder eine Rücknahme der positiven Entscheidung kann auch später noch erfolgen, wenn die Voraussetzungen hierfür vorliegen; die Entscheidung darüber liegt (sofern keine schwerwiegenden strafrechtlich relevanten Gründe vorliegen) im Ermessen des Bundesamtes.

Highlighted the relevant part for you.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

GaussianCopula posted:

Highlighted the relevant part for you.

Losing your refugee status does not mean that you automatically lose the niederlassungserlaubnis. This is the strongest type of residence permit that we have and it is given to people to put down permanent roots in the country. It can't just be revoked at will and without good reason. That would be extremely hosed up.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
I want to discuss feminism

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

waitwhatno posted:

Losing your refugee status does not mean that you automatically lose the niederlassungserlaubnis. This is the strongest type of residence permit that we have and it is given to people to put down permanent roots in the country. It can't just be revoked at will and without good reason. That would be extremely hosed up.

It can be revoked if you are getting it solely based on your refugee status.

quote:

Einem Ausländer, der seit drei Jahren eine Aufenthaltserlaubnis nach § 23 Absatz 4 besitzt, ist eine Niederlassungserlaubnis zu erteilen, es sei denn, es liegen die Voraussetzungen für eine Rücknahme vor.

https://dejure.org/gesetze/AufenthG/26.html

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Friendly Humour posted:

I want to discuss feminism

Do you want to discuss feminism in the context of European politics? Then this is the thread for you! Do you want to discuss feminism in a more general context? Then I'm afraid this is not the thread for you.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

YF-23 posted:

Do you want to discuss feminism in the context of European politics? Then this is the thread for you! Do you want to discuss feminism in a more general context? Then I'm afraid this is not the thread for you.
How can you discuss feminism in the context of European politics without wandering into feminism in a more general context? Especially considering the types that frequent this thread.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

R. Mute posted:

How can you discuss feminism in the context of European politics without wandering into feminism in a more general context? Especially considering the types that frequent this thread.

Maybe you can start a feminism megathread (because that won't be awful at all), and we can use this thread for discussing current events in European / EU nations?

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


R. Mute posted:

How can you discuss feminism in the context of European politics without wandering into feminism in a more general context? Especially considering the types that frequent this thread.

If I had to think of specific categories, I'd say you can discuss feminism in the context of current European events, in the context of the current status quo in parts of Europe, and in the context of European history. Further discussion can stray from those contexts as conversation develops into more general ones, but one of these has to be the catalyst for it, and ideally the more general discussion will remain relevant in the more specific context. If it's not, then we probably have a derail which should have its place in a different thread.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
In a totally unforeseeable move, Sultan Erdogan has sprung some last-minute demands on the EU negotiators and is saying he will scupper the refugee deal if they don't comply: http://www.ft.com/fastft/2016/03/07/turkeys-last-ditch-demands-threaten-migrant-deal/

quote:

Turkey has made a host of last minute funding and political demands that threaten to derail a controversial EU-Turkey deal to dramatically reduce migrant flows to Europe.
Ahead of crunch summit between EU leaders and the Turkish prime minister on Monday, Ankara has called for an increase on the €3bn in aid previously promised by the EU, faster access to Schengen visas for Turkish citizens and accelerated progress in its EU membership bid, write Alex Barker and Duncan Robinson in Brussels.
Although talks remain fluid, the wishlist represents Turkey’s new price for giving the EU’s response to the migration crisis a harder edge by facilitating the systematic return of non-Syrian migrants from Greek islands to Turkey.
A deal of some kind is still expected at the end of the summit. But four diplomats involved in the talks said that Turkey’s revised demands would be extremely challenging and could blow apart a fragile EU consensus on the sweetners offered to Ankara.
A deal with Turkey is crucial for reducing the flow of people entering Europe, according to EU officials. This has overridden concerns about the country’s asylum system and human rights record.
Turkish prime minister Ahmet Davutoglu said that the proposed deal demonstrated “how indispensable the EU is for Turkey and Turkey for the EU”. Speaking before the meeting, Mr Davutoğlu added: “The whole future of Europe is on the table.”
Last week Mr Davutoglu privately signalled to EU negotiators that Turkey would be willing to accept the systematic return of non-Syrian migrants to Turkey. In the final stages of the negotiation, however, Turkey made clear it would expect its EU agreement on migration to be improved.
This includes moving forward a recommendation to grant visa privileges to Turkish citizens, which was expected in the autumn. Turkey has yet to meet some of the most difficult conditions for visa access, including the recognition of Cyprus.
Ankara also wants an increase in the EU’s proposed €3bn in funding, so that it covers municipal infrastructure costs as well as health, education and material support for Syrian refugees in Turkey.
On top of these concessions, Turkey wants to speed up the already fast-tracked process of opening several new chapters in its EU membership bid. Cyprus in particular is also loathe to make further concessions to Ankara in membership talks.
One diplomat said the additional demands could make for a “trainwreck”. Another compared the haggling to a “Turkish bazaar”.

Junior G-man
Sep 15, 2004

Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma


And in yet more totally unforeseeable news, the Greek economy keeps on cratering and who knows what the end will be!

quote:

[Grexit back on the agenda again as Greek economy unravels

After three emergency bailouts and the biggest debt restructuring in history, talk has again turned to the country dropping out of the currency union

European finance ministers will once again deliberate over how to treat Greece’s ongoing debt crisis this week despite the country desperately grappling with refugees pouring across its borders.

A meeting on Monday of finance ministers from the eurozone will determine whether creditors are to be given the green light to complete a long-delayed review of Greek economic recovery plans.

The review has been held up by disagreement among lenders over how much more Athens needs to cut from public spending. It is seen as key to reviving Greece’s banking sector and restoring business and consumer confidence.

“I think the situation right now is more dangerous than it was last summer,” the former finance minister Gikas Hardouvelis told the Guardian.


“Then it was a question of the political will of a few people,” he said, referring to the tumultuous negotiations that paved the way to Athens receiving a third bailout in August. “Now it’s a question of implementing reforms and working hard and if a government doesn’t believe in them and implements them begrudgingly, progress becomes very difficult.”

Monday’s meeting comes at an especially sensitive time. Greek unemployment remains the highest in Europe at almost 25% – and just under 50% among the young. Many companies are relocating to Bulgaria, Albania, Romania and Cyprus as a result of over-taxation.

Meanwhile, the once booming tourism trade has taken a hit as bookings to Aegean isles have collapsed because of refugee arrivals
. Last week, it was announced by Greece’s official statistics agency, Elstat, that the debt-stricken nation had dipped back into recession.

After three emergency bailouts and the biggest debt restructuring in history, talk once again has turned to the country dropping out of the single currency.

Businessmen and bankers in private concede that as the economy disintegrates the possibility of a parallel currency is now openly being discussed. “The probability of Grexit is still there,” added Hardouvelis. “It has not gone away. Just look at the yield investors are required to pay on Greek bonds.”

Everyone agrees that time is of the essence. Further delays make potentially explosive reforms – starting with the overhaul of the pension system – harder to sell for a leftist-led government that in recent months has faced protest on the streets.

“We have no time,” finance minister Euclid Tsakalotos told the European parliament’s economics committee last week. “We hope the IMF will become more reasonable.”

The Oxford–educated economics professor has repeatedly said that postponement makes any plan “to escape the vicious circle of measures-recession-new measures” almost impossible.

But the IMF, under pressure from its own member states, insists that Greece will have to implement additional measures worth €9bn (£6.96bn), or 4.5% of GDP, if it is to meet an agreed budget surplus of 3.5% in the years ahead.

Without debt relief or deeper cuts to the pension system, the Washington-based body does not expect Greece to be able to meet that target.

While Europe wants the IMF to remain involved in the bailout programme, debt relief – even in the form of extending maturities on bonds – remains politically an anathema to eurozone lenders. Meanwhile, cuts to pensions, which have been slashed numerous times since the onset of the crisis in late 2009, are unthinkable for the government.

With disbursement of aid also held up, debt due for repayment this summer has hastened the need for a solution. “As far as Greece’s bailout is concerned, the bigger problem remains the ongoing disagreement between the Europeans and the IMF over the size of the fiscal adjustment necessary,” said Mujtaba Rahman, head of European analysis at the London-based Eurasia risk consultancy.

Any hopes that Greece’s frontline role in the refugee crisis could see creditors soften their stance were quashed ahead of the meeting on Sunday when Germany ruled out giving Athens more time to achieve budget goals. “[b]The refugee issue and the aid program for Greece should not be mixed,” a spokesman for Berlin’s hardline finance minister Wolfgang Schäuble told Reuters, setting the scene for the standoff to intensify in Brussels.[/b]

A cratering economy with bad advice and a flood refugees that are being barred inside the country; what could possibly go wrong?

Patrocclesiastes
Apr 30, 2009

The new EC gun policy update seems to have faced heavy resistance from, unsurprisingly, countries that are high in in gun ownership, with Finland being somewhat a special case because they rely on their reserve training with their personally owned guns. The directive aims to ban most guns that are semi-automatic or bear resemblance to military rifles, most normal hunting weapons would remain the same as far as I know.

Now however, the reasons for this ban seem really absurd, as it is claimed to be aimed to curb terrorist access to weapons, where the recent terrorist attacks on Europe used illegal weapons. Some people say that this will be an issue in Brexit as well, trying to use it as leverage to either go through with the ban or UK leaves.

The news only ever mention opposition to the ban but I'd like some goon opinions as well.

For me personally I do welcome policies that would secure weapons from terrorists but this is a really rear end backwards way of doing it, where it only punishes the legal gun owners and why would you ban anything based on how it looks anyway?

EDIT some news sources
http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/05/news/gun-control-europe-new-laws/
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-15-6111_en.htm

Patrocclesiastes fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Mar 7, 2016

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE
It seems as if this is an issue better left to the member states. The Finns and the Swiss (I know, not an EU member) seem to do pretty well despite heavier weapons being more common than in other states. I don't know what's the problem for the Brits, who are sitting smug on their island with near total control of their borders.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
I don't know why the Brits should care about laws restricting guns when they banned private ownership under new labour.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Riso posted:

I don't know why the Brits should care about laws restricting guns when they banned private ownership under new labour.

They don't want anyone to own weapons, therefore stricter weapons for the whole EU.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

R. Mute posted:

How can you discuss feminism in the context of European politics without wandering into feminism in a more general context? Especially considering the types that frequent this thread.

Just keep focused on a particular issue that fits the European politics context. For example, instead of discussing women quotas in general, you can discuss this in particular. Just my two eurocents.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

LemonDrizzle posted:

In a totally unforeseeable move, Sultan Erdogan has sprung some last-minute demands on the EU negotiators and is saying he will scupper the refugee deal if they don't comply: http://www.ft.com/fastft/2016/03/07/turkeys-last-ditch-demands-threaten-migrant-deal/
Well, those don't seem like unreasonable demands, unless, of course, he's using the pretext of asking for more resources to aid refugees to ensure that in the end all aid will be scraped altogether due to bargaining conflicts.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
Breaking news update on the chips front:

https://twitter.com/StefanLeifert/status/706843958710804481

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
In more important news, six ~17-45 year old men from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan have molested young girls in swimming bath in Cologne.

http://www.faz.net/agenturmeldungen/dpa/maenner-sollen-kinder-in-schwimmbad-unsittlich-beruehrt-haben-14111055.html

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

GaussianCopula posted:

In more important news, six ~17-45 year old men from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan have molested young girls in swimming bath in Cologne.

http://www.faz.net/agenturmeldungen/dpa/maenner-sollen-kinder-in-schwimmbad-unsittlich-beruehrt-haben-14111055.html

"I'm going to flee oppression to Europe only to get myself kicked out doing illegal poo poo while making all other refugees look bad"

Good job guys, good job.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

CommieGIR posted:

"I'm going to flee oppression to Europe only to get myself kicked out doing illegal poo poo while making all other refugees look bad"

Good job guys, good job.

They most likely won't get kicked out because you are not allowed to send people to their death.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

GaussianCopula posted:

They most likely won't get kicked out because you are not allowed to send people to their death.

Well, spend time in prison then.

Velkest
Mar 1, 2014

GaussianCopula posted:

In more important news, six ~17-45 year old men from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan have molested young girls in swimming bath in Cologne.

http://www.faz.net/agenturmeldungen/dpa/maenner-sollen-kinder-in-schwimmbad-unsittlich-beruehrt-haben-14111055.html

how dare you post this here, you racist?

do you not know that for integration to suceed, we must pretend refugees are civil, lawabiding people who respect women and children, against all of reality?

clearly you vote NPD. pfui.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Velkest posted:

how dare you post this here, you racist?

Shut the gently caress up.

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R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Velkest posted:

we must pretend refugees are civil, lawabiding people who respect women and children, against all of reality?
They aren't?

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