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notZaar posted:You can't tell me octopii are too dumb to feel terror, everybody knows those fuckers are smart. my favorite creepy-smart cephalopod story: a smallish tourist aquarium kept some exotic fish near an open topped tank with an octopus. the fish kept disappearing and they found by putting a camera in the room that the octopus was sneaking out of its tank, slithering the distance to the other tank, and eating the fish. they didn't want it to do that, so they installed these lids on both tanks. octopi, being smart fuckers, he wasn't deterred and figured out remove the lid on his own tank and the exoitic fish tank for another midnight feast. that's not the crazy part though. he carefully replaced both lids, even though it required additional effort for no immediate food-need benefit. this suggests that he may have had a mental model of the idea of among other things: others, guilt, and deception
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Ever eat a fresh octopus though, it's like you can taste their memories when I had it my brain was afire, bolts of electric sentient soul life danced radiated through me, resonating like the presence of a foreign qi or a foreign entity even, It was like I melded with the octopus and 12 million more, like all of its attempted future kin, it's entire soul and future potentials, everything the octopus would be and its evolutionary potential of what its family could become. notZaar posted:You can't tell me octopii are too dumb to feel terror, everybody knows those fuckers are smart. 5/5!& I plan on devouring several more families of octopi, dynasties more it was so fun to send even just one to oblivion.
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I don't object to people eating the flesh of smart animals or even dumb ones but there's just no reason to make them suffer unless you're are a sadist.
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Bloodfart McCoy posted:I dont think lobster and crab brains are developed enough to feel pain. I've always thought this. Am i right? LadyAmbien posted:This thread gives me feelings that I don't like having. something good must come out of this terrible disgraceful thread so here, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fZOl7C_vDI  enjoy meinen Freunde edit: this is very long, but also very good, full of gold you could say but if you wanna skip to the part most relevant to the aforementioned posts, skip to somewhere around 20 minutes Commie NedFlanders fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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I'd ask the octopus I mean I wouldn't want to speak for them, but I'm pretty sure when you lay 200,000+ eggs a few times a year you generally don't give a poo poo about the suffering of your own children so yeah. SADISTIC chopping off limbs. Not sadistic: siring 12 million sufferers in a lifetime #iblametheoctopus
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Mar 14, 2016 22:01
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lol does it crush them to death?
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Otisburg posted:this suggests that he may have had a mental model of the idea of among other things: others, guilt, and deception If that's true, that would be incredible as these are extremely advanced concepts. Hell, I know actual people who're allowed to do things that struggle with them.
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If you eat meat you have to watch these videos. If you don't you're a coward.
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vug posted:lol does it crush them to death? feminism in egg farming
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Die cischick scum
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Otisburg posted:Die cischick scum
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i was always a proud meat eater growing up, i was the type to sneer at vegetarians like some smug Penn and/or Teller this caused a lot of friction, and not the good kind, when i was younger and dated a militant vegetarian (who was such a veggie that she fed her cat vegetarian food, which i found rather distasteful and almost cruel) then one time i had an experience that has really had an impact on me. i was somewhere around the 3rd or 4th day of learning to meditate like a monk, by living like a monk. i hadn't uttered a word, made eye contact with anyone, or read or watched anything other than the constant passing movement of my own breathing, thoughts and sensations as they rose into awareness and passed away. i found myself becoming incredibly sensitive, watching trees and grass and insects with mesmerization. i found myself incredibly sensitive to their own suffering, as i became more aware of my own. i was the type of child who took sadistic pleasure in killing bugs, now i was working overtime to gently trap them, walking outside of my sleeping area, and trekking out to release it away from any walking trails during this time, i wasn't to harm any creatures or eat any meat. my diet was 100% vegetarian, and with my newfound mindfulness and increased sensitivity, it was easily the best tasting and most satisfying food i had ever had up to that point. being the type of person who would never go more than 24 hours without eating meat, this was a rather strange experience for me. i learned that i didn't need to eat flesh to satisfy my stomach. near the pagoda cells there was a fence, which separated the meditation grounds from the neighboring grazing land for a cattle rancher. one day, while taking a 5 between the last few hours of meditating and the next few hours of meditating, i stood at the fence and took in the awesome splendor of the grazing field, and a young cow approached me. it came up to me like it knew me, like it was my own pet dog, and began to lick my hand. it had giant, soulful eyes, the kind of innocent look of a creature that doesn't recognize it's own power or importance. the 5 minutes i spent with that cow seemed to stretch out forever, i was truly having a moment. i felt like i could feel the never-totally-calm-yet-still-steady soul of this creature, i could see my own deep nothingness reflected back at me, it was beautiful. that night, i had a nightmare, extremely vivid and bold and ultra-realistic, wherein i was slaughtering a pig. the pigs eyes stared into my own, like the cow's did in my waking life. in the dream i plunged a knife into the pig's throat, spilling blood everywhere, while its wild eyes stared into my own soul and it let out a horrible shriek that sounded more like a human baby in pain than a pig. ever since then, i've gone back and forth with my eating habits. i've never been 100% comfortable again eating meat, and i suffer a great deal of cognitive dissonance whenever i try to eat some BBQ. i hope to one day muster up the courage to give up my carnivorous ways. and that's all i got to say about that
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Otisburg posted:Die cischick scum i'm really enjoying this new German trend 
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Don't worry the beetles will invade without malice.
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Commie NedFlanders posted:i was always a proud meat eater growing up, i was the type to sneer at vegetarians like some smug Penn and/or Teller So too much?
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i guess noone has made a gif of that scene of the bull being sacrificed in apocalypse now
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Darth123123 posted:So too much? the ghost of david foster wallace is haunting me 
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For a summer, I worked as a dock boy. Part of that job is cleaning fish. Mostly Northern Pike. As much as these videos disgust me with the mistreatment of the creatures, unfortunately there's not a good way to kill a fish short of severing it's head. Even then, the head stays alive for quite some time. Especially Northerns. I've been bitten by a Northern that I gutted and cleaned 20 minutes before. What I used to do was let them sit on ice for a few hours to slow them down and then clean them. They'll still be alive, which sucks, but there's no good way to kill them. You could stab them in the head all day and they'll stay alive. My wife was studying for her degree in Aquatic Biology at the time and she said they don't feel pain in the same way we do. They have a sensing nerve down their side but they don't feel distress in the same way. It's not interpreted as pain. To my credit, I also learned fish CPR and am drat good at it. I revived many a fish, that was illegal to take, brought back by a guest. The trick is to make sure that they're fully back alive before letting them go. If you can hold onto them, they still need more time. You basically hold them in the water and work water through their gills for them by rocking them back and forth like a baby. Don't touch their gills. They'll look alive but will die in hours. Never pick up a fish by the gills and always support their midsection if you're going to put it back.
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turtle hearts will keep on beating long after they have been "killed", no matter what you do to them
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Nooner posted:wtf was that chick killing machine lol basically those are roosters that aren't good for anything, not enough hormones and what not for meat. i believe they come from a batch that is supposed to lay eggs, but obviously a rooster isn't gonna lay eggs, so they just kill em.
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LadyAmbien posted:This thread gives me feelings that I don't like having. Lobsters don't scream. They don't completely fill their shells, and the sound you hear is water and hot air escaping from the gaps between their muscles and the carapace. Also, they do not feel pain like we do. They understand when something bad is happening but they just don't have all the correct brain parts and nerve endings to actually feel pain.
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:basically those are roosters that aren't good for anything, not enough hormones and what not for meat. i believe they come from a batch that is supposed to lay eggs, but obviously a rooster isn't gonna lay eggs, so they just kill em. lmbo so the chicken world is like reverse China?
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there was a jamie oliver thing on tv a while ago where they had some newly hatched chicks that were bred so that the males were differently coloured, and they got the audience to pick out the males and put them in a box they passed round and then they gassed them all. it was awesome because the audience didn't twig what was about to happen. then they tried to feed some to a snake but it wasn't hungry
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Nooner posted:wtf was that chick killing machine lol Welcome to the Desert of the Real under Capitalism 
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Claven666 posted:Lobsters don't scream. They don't completely fill their shells, and the sound you hear is water and hot air escaping from the gaps between their muscles and the carapace. Also, they do not feel pain like we do. They understand when something bad is happening but they just don't have all the correct brain parts and nerve endings to actually feel pain. i'm not entirely convinced you feel pain until you can show me some empirical evidence of your subjective experience
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Nooner posted:lmbo so the chicken world is like reverse China? the parallels between the condition of man and chicken under industrial capitalism are striking. i eat meat but i think videos like this should be shown in schools so that kids will understand what their diet means to animals, same with videos of sweatshop textile work and stuff. you can then in an educated way decide whether you will live in a cruelty free way or d e h u m a n i z e y o u r s e l f a n d f a c e t o c a p i t a l i s m.
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Nooner posted:lmbo so the chicken world is like reverse China? or Trump's America, yes
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Like, I understand intellectually that there's a very real neurological science basis for saying "Well know, they don't understand 'pain' as we do," but I still can help but have this emotional response that pictures a Twilight Zone scenario where the Klaklor of Zarzol VII are pulling apart living, screaming humans to prepare their planetary delicacy and comforting the more soft-hearted gourmands in attendance with the same reassurance.
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:the parallels between the condition of man and chicken under industrial capitalism are striking. i eat meat but i think videos like this should be shown in schools so that kids will understand what their diet means to animals, same with videos of sweatshop textile work and stuff. you can then in an educated way decide whether you will live in a cruelty free way or d e h u m a n i z e y o u r s e l f a n d f a c e t o c a p i t a l i s m. ｄｅｈｕｍａｎｉｚｅ ｙｏｕｒｓｅｌｆ ａｎｄ ｆａｃｅ ｔｏ ｃａｐｉｔａｌｉｓｍ
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there is no animal mutilation on this page despite it being page 2 of the animal mutilation thread
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Otisburg posted:Like, I understand intellectually that there's a very real neurological science basis for saying "Well know, they don't understand 'pain' as we do," but I still can help but have this emotional response that pictures a Twilight Zone scenario where the Klaklor of Zarzol VII are pulling apart living, screaming humans to prepare their planetary delicacy and comforting the more soft-hearted gourmands in attendance with the same reassurance. That was an episode of futurama.
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:the parallels between the condition of man and chicken under industrial capitalism are striking. i eat meat but i think videos like this should be shown in schools so that kids will understand what their diet means to animals, same with videos of sweatshop textile work and stuff. you can then in an educated way decide whether you will live in a cruelty free way or d e h u m a n i z e y o u r s e l f a n d f a c e t o c a p i t a l i s m. yaaaaaaaaase 
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Literal Nazi Furry posted:there is no animal mutilation on this page despite it being page 2 of the animal mutilation thread gbs got a conscience lol
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Literal Nazi Furry posted:there is no animal mutilation on this page despite it being page 2 of the animal mutilation thread that sounds haram, have some content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r85xCNncmGk
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empirically speaking, i can't be sure if anyone besides myself "really" "feels" anything y'all could all just be a bunch of biological mechanisms running through the motions, your monkey brains triggering responses at facial cues, but without the "real thing" behind it like my special brain
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Applewhite's thread about putting your brain in a computer proved that nobody actually exists so no harm, no foul
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Otisburg posted:that sounds haram, have some content in this video they didn't gently caress them first 
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