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Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



I was kicking myself when I realised you could photograph the Sisters for bigger Adam returns at the end of the game.

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EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

It was luck that I found out you could do it. I had photographed all three Little Sister's on a level and was photographing a splicer attacking a Big Daddy when I got an A ranked Little Sister photo and realised what had happened. I'll definitely get 100% research! The chameleon tonic you get for Houdini splicers is very cool. I need to start googling plasmid costs because I have been stockpiling all my ADAM in order to buy all tracks. I will probably skip level 2 upgrades but start diversifying plasmid type soon.

Spudd
Nov 27, 2007

Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

How did you know I was a cop and my last name is McKenzie?

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Everyone knows the exploits of Spudd McKenizie the best goddamn police cop on the whole precinct force!

In the latest update we start our Spider Splicer hunt as well as ask the questions everyone else is afraid to ask. For example, are electric eels real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ykfQsxK1Mg

The answer is yes and no. They exist but they're not an eel!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6EVgN4WyTs

EmmyOk fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Apr 25, 2016

StupidSexyMothman
Aug 9, 2010

I had no idea research was so useful :negative: I went through the entire game without taking any pictures after getting Peach's snap-snap-snappies.

Loving the LP!

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

It's boring as poo poo, and the way they revamped Research in the second game is so much better, but taking pics leads you to trivializing the game entirely. Scrounger alone means you'll wind up with more money and ammo than you'll know what to do with, even on the hardest difficulty, and it's one of the less-broken rewards you can get. Just wait and see what happens.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



I forgot the fact that ceiling-walking spider-splicers drop like a sack of potatoes when you zap 'em. That was always so funny.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

oldskool posted:

I had no idea research was so useful :negative: I went through the entire game without taking any pictures after getting Peach's snap-snap-snappies.

Loving the LP!

Thanks for your kind words, friend! Like some people have said you get some really game changing plasmids/tonics for doing research. There is one in particular coming up in the next area that is super useful but I end up removing after an update or so because the sound effect drove me nuts.

I will be recording this weekend and plan to start spending my EVE stockpile so now is the time to ask for plasmids/tonics you'd like to see later on! In other Bioshock news my smoothie came with a woolly hat so I decided to give it a good home

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Ken Levine retweeted me! :toot:

https://twitter.com/IGLevine/status/725078544276152324

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

I think I know exactly what one you mean, and if it wasn't so useful (especially when paired with one or two other tonics) I'd never use it.

Personally, I want you to show off the combo of Human Inferno + Incendiary Bolts for a fully-upgraded crossbow (spoiler for later weapons). It's basically a one-hit kill on everything, and I do mean everything.

bassguitarhero
Feb 29, 2008

Dinictus posted:

I really wish Bioshock 2 could compare. But there just isn't enough fuel in that drill of yours :(

The drill upgrades, fuel reduction tonics, and the drill-only tonic would handle that
Drill dash thru every level, every day

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

I don't think I ever used the drill past the mandatory upgrade in Bioshock 2. I do love the wrench but a dedicated melee button in 2 was much better.

In our latest update we hunt down the remaining splider as well as go on a date and panic over coffee etiquette.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8QpDoPDMk0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vzHEvak328

e: Due to me being a silly goose I missed one audio diary at the end of the last companion video so I included it at the start of this one.

EmmyOk fucked around with this message at 23:13 on May 2, 2016

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



I have to wonder if Jack is just stuffing those Spider splicer hearts right into his mouth, or something.

Edit: Also, Winter Blast is well better to use on the turrets/drones/etc. than lightning blast

Samovar fucked around with this message at 22:58 on May 3, 2016

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

When someone gets a kidney transplant they leave the original kidney in there and if you get multiple transplants you can end up with like six kidneys, so I guess Jack has about 30 hearts now. I start using icce blast on turrets later on after your tip! I finished recording all gameplay this weekend except for the bonus stuff and DLC challenge rooms.


In the latest update we learn about fire safety, Rapture's tourist traps, and how bad I am at word games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9VyAt57uWk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_1gwP47TVY

EmmyOk fucked around with this message at 12:58 on May 9, 2016

Dinictus
Nov 26, 2005

May our CoX spray white sticky fluid at our enemies forever!
HAIL ARACHNOS!
Soiled Meat

bassguitarhero posted:

The drill upgrades, fuel reduction tonics, and the drill-only tonic would handle that
Drill dash thru every level, every day

It still wasn't enough. IT STILL WASN'T ENOUGH :byodood:

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?
The writing on the floor by the dead evidence is "IT WAS F" obviously meaning Fontaine, but why the guy would try and accuse Fontaine when he is literally about to die in Fontaine's freezer I have no idea.

I'm back in the family home where my copy of the Rapture book is, if you want I can trawl (lol get it? Trawling is an ocean thing) through it for any interesting tidbits?

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Roro posted:

The writing on the floor by the dead evidence is "IT WAS F" obviously meaning Fontaine, but why the guy would try and accuse Fontaine when he is literally about to die in Fontaine's freezer I have no idea.

I'm back in the family home where my copy of the Rapture book is, if you want I can trawl (lol get it? Trawling is an ocean thing) through it for any interesting tidbits?

That whole freezer was like that! Ryan and Sullivan were talking about how cunning Fontaine was and how he never left any evidence but his whole business is littered with corpses of people he's murdered. Speaking of Fontaine I really love his voice actor, he just sounds so effortlessly menacing.

That would be awesome! Definitely do that please.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Alright, here's a general query - what kinda accent is Peach supposed to have? I can't place it at all.

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?
So I've had a brief read over the first third of Rapture, and I'll try to summarise it as best I can.

Rapture is the direct prequel to Bioshock and as far as I'm aware is considered canon by the game developers. The book begins in 1946 and is split into three parts; the first part talks about the rise of Andrew Ryan, and the development of Rapture. The main characters whose lives are followed are Bill McDonagh, the man who was involved in most if not all of the planning and engineering (and I believe the one who owns Fighting McDonaghs?), the eponyous Andrew Ryan also known as Andrei Rianofski, whose desire to create a utopia for the working man is the crux of the book and games, and a man called Frank Gorland. The surname may be unfamiliar to fans of the series, but that's because ol' Frankie here is a bit of a conman, and changes his name to Frank Fontaine. There are other characters that we have heard of, and those we will hear of in the future mentioned in the first third, but these three men are the main focus. The Worker, the Dreamer and the Grifter.

I suppose that I should mention Sullivan appears here too, and very obviously without a first name for some reason. He is not, however a very big focus at this point in time. This is the growth of Rapture as an idea, a concept and eventually as a real place. Sullivan is better discussed later, when he fulfils his role as that prick who ties people to car batteries as part of his job. What the gently caress, Sullivan, you rear end in a top hat.
There's a little prelude before the story starts proper, which explains Ryan's past (his father's cousin and wife got shot the gently caress up on a train station by the Russian military because they couldn't afford a bribe!) and why he wants to build Rapture (gently caress YOU SOCIALISM), it's not terribly exciting but it helps give a bit more... flesh, to Ryan's whole schtick.

So the very first proper chapter begins with Bill fixing Ryan's toilet. We heard the audiotape explaining that this was how Bill got the job of sorting Rapture out, but the book goes into a little more detail with the interaction between the two men. What's funny is that Bill considers Ryan to be a toff-nosed prick initially, kind of the exact thing that Ryan hates. Bill, we find, has had a bit of a poo poo life as he's a cockney bloke who is trying to make a living in New York where everyone sees him as a "limey grease monkey". He also loving eavesdrops on Ryan's conversation instead of doing his job. Christ Bill, this is why your life is so bad, because you don't do your loving job! Ryan, for his part, seems legit impressed by Bill. Watches him do his work (bit creepy imo), asks him a few questions about it then when the matter of payment comes up, point-blank asks him why he didn't try to price gouge. Bill, you loving pussy. This man is richer than God and you didn't even add any extra charges to the bill?? The reason Bill is so honest is because he believes in honest pay for honest work which warms Ryan right up and gets him talking about a man's rights and the class system etc etc, basically Ryan being really sanctimonious about things. Bill is also super into this apparently and says that he moved to America because of the American DreamTM! So Ryan eventually offers Bill a job as his building engineer, setting into motion the building of Rapture!

The next chapter starts with Sullivan bitching about how Ryan finds his staff. gently caress you, Sullivan.

It continues into Mr Gorland-Fontaine making his first appearance, strong-arming some poor jackass out of his bar. Frank, you see, is a huge loving jerk who just barely evades being an open conman. Merton, the gentleman who is about to be the immediate past owner of the bar, took out a loan from Hudson Loans (owned by Frank) while drunk. Frank, being a huge loving jerk, set the interest rates sky high and now Merton can't pay up. The only reason Frank does this is because he already owns a bookkeeping operation and a drugstore, and now he wants a bar so he can make bank by listening in on people plotting boxing matches to set up his betting systems. And to plan his next con. As you can imagine, Frank has a huge history of being a con artist and is suspected by the government enough to get a visit from a "G-man" who threatens him then immediately tips him off to Ryan who is loving around at the docks planning his whole Rapture bullshit. Good job, American government official! Tell a conman about something that could involve a lot of money! You idiot.
So time passes for Frank until a drunk chick ends up at his bar crying because her lover got himself killed working for Ryan but nobody will tell her poo poo about what happened. Fortunately for Frank (and very unfortunately for Ryan and the entirety of Rapture in the future) she does know that Ryan is building an underwater city. This piques Frank's attention, and the next con develops in his mind.
There's another time skip, and this time we learn a little bit about wee Frankie. He lived in an orphanage but ran away for ~undisclosed reasons~ and ended up working on the stage as a stage boy. The attention he saw the actors get was intoxicating enough that Frank turned it into his life, making up new identities and living them for his grifts. There's a little bit about Frank dropping a boxer in the poo poo with the mafia by tricking him into going all out in a fight he was meant to drop, when Frank overhears some info about Ryan as a deckhand on one of Ryan's ship flips out about how many poor assholes are dying trying to build a city underwater. Frank is a born conman obviously and with a bit of creative use of a metal pipe tricks the poor bastard into believing a gun is being pointed at the back of his skull by a government agent. The guy spills all about Ryan's plans for Rapture, and Frank slowly realises what an opportunity this is.

There are three more chapters of the first section, which seems like a piddling amount but the next third is easily the biggest loving part of the book. If people want, I can either summarise the next three chapters very simply, or do like I've done here and go into a little more depth.

Bobbin Threadbare
Jan 2, 2009

I'm looking for a flock of urbanmechs.

EmmyOk posted:

That whole freezer was like that! Ryan and Sullivan were talking about how cunning Fontaine was and how he never left any evidence but his whole business is littered with corpses of people he's murdered. Speaking of Fontaine I really love his voice actor, he just sounds so effortlessly menacing.

That would be awesome! Definitely do that please.

His Brooklyn accent is about as overdone as Atlas's Irish, though.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Roro posted:

Bill, you loving pussy.

That made me laugh! This post is great and I'd definitely like more indepth stuff as we go! I'll leave it up to your discretion to decide what is or isn't a spoiler or when certain stuff is right to post! Such a shame there wasn't more Fontaine in the game he sounds like such an amazing shitlord.

Bobbin Threadbare posted:

His Brooklyn accent is about as overdone as Atlas's Irish, though.

Haha yeah I'm pretty hypocritical because I only ever complain about overdone Irish accents, though I assume it's the same for most people! I never knew that he was speaking in a Bronx accent because I am also super bad at recognising anything but the most generic accents! I stand by my effortlessly menacing comment though!

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?
The first part is pretty spoiler free. There's mention of some characters we haven't seen in the LP yet, but I can gloss over those easy enough. The second part is where poo poo begins, and I think is a bit more spoiler heavy. I'll cherry pick once I get to that point.

Glad you liked it though! It's hard for me to make things interesting without relying too much on stupid humour like the digs at how much of a loser Bill is.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
The more detail the better, imo. I'm loving all of this- learning a whole bunch about a game I played to death back in the day.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Roro posted:

The first part is pretty spoiler free. There's mention of some characters we haven't seen in the LP yet, but I can gloss over those easy enough. The second part is where poo poo begins, and I think is a bit more spoiler heavy. I'll cherry pick once I get to that point.

Glad you liked it though! It's hard for me to make things interesting without relying too much on stupid humour like the digs at how much of a loser Bill is.

I'm just imagining Andrew sitting there breathing heavily and staring at Bill fixing his toilet, "tell me more about the U-bend, Bill".

I'm hoping to put up one or two bonus videos in the coming weeks just a few silly things like fighting a Big Daddy with just the wrench as well as the <3 minute runs of the challenge rooms if people are interested.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
I'd be very interested in both of those.

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?

EmmyOk posted:

I'm just imagining Andrew sitting there breathing heavily and staring at Bill fixing his toilet, "tell me more about the U-bend, Bill".

I'm hoping to put up one or two bonus videos in the coming weeks just a few silly things like fighting a Big Daddy with just the wrench as well as the <3 minute runs of the challenge rooms if people are interested.

I think the book describes it as Ryan pacing while muttering, and when Bill turns around Ryan's just just hovering over him with a smile and asking how he's getting on. Like an anxious housewife.

I'd love to see anything more of Bioahock! I love the game. I'll try and add more book stuff tonight, this week has been really hectic for me.

White Coke
May 29, 2015
So are you going to play any of the other Bioshock games? If not can I make the joke about how Bioshock 2 and Bioshock: Infinite are the same game? It won't have any spoilers about Bioshock, but if you're planning on playing the the other two it spoils quite a bit.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

I plan on doing them down the line for sure but feel free to post the joke in spoiler tags! I think a lot of thread regulars have played the series more than once. Speaking of things reoccurring in all of Ken Levine's work this game, System Shock 2, and the Bioshock 2 DLC all feature 'the support character on the radio is the baddy' trope. :cmon: That tag contains spoilers for every Ken Levine game except Infinite.

Also someone commented first on one of the videos so we have officially made it.

e: Don't rush yourself, Roro, any excerpts are appreciated.

White Coke
May 29, 2015
Well okay, the joke is that Bioshock Two and Infinite are the same game because they both revolve around a girl whose name starts with an 'E' and is also called the Lamb, who is the focal point of a cult, the main bad guy and player character are parents to this girl, and they have to die at the end to unlock this messiah girl's true potential. Not so much of a Ha-Ha joke as a "how the hell did two teams come up with the same drat plot?" kind of a joke. And frankly I think Bioshock Two did it better, or at least not as terribly.

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?
Chapter 3 and we're in 1946! Bill is about to visit the place where the magic happens. Not Disneyworld, which is unfortunate for him. No, he's going out into the middle of nowhere in the open ocean with a potential madman. Even worse, he doesn't know he's going out to sea yet, he just thinks he's having a meeting with Ryan. On the bright side, he's flirting shamelessly with Ryan's secretary who is called Elaine. Spoiler alert: They get married. There's a little description of Bill watching Elaine surreptitiously and it's hilariously terrible. An excerpt:

quote:

Bill glanced at Elaine working diligently at her desk: a sturdy brunette in a gray-blue dress suit. She was about twenty-nine, a self-contained woman with snappy blue eyes- and that upturned nose that reminded him of his mum. But the jiggle when she shifted in her seat- that sure wasn't like his bony old mum.He'd watched Elaine walking about the office whenever he could do it discreetly. She had slightly wide shoulders and hips, long legs. One of those leggy American women like Mary Louise, but smarter, judging from the brief contact he'd had with her. Bet she liked to dance. Maybe this time he'd get up his nerve and ask her...

Jesus loving Christ, Bill.

Bill manages to not be a goony oval office for five seconds and successfully asks Elaine on a date to do a "jitterbug". He's prevented from sniffing Elaine's hair by the arrival of Ryan who declares that instead of a stuffy business meeting, they're going on a trip to a couple of places. I hope you drown, Bill.

On the way to wherever the gently caress they're going, Ryan reveals that the little job he had Bill doing (oh yeah, Bill was doing some job shifting things to a tunnel, and doing it well) was actually a test to see if he was good enough and trustworthy enough to take part in Ryan's super special project. I don't recall if the games mention this, but Rapture - surprise! That's Ryan's project. Who loving knew - is based just southwest of Iceland. Anyway, Ryan witters on about loyalty and freedom and the tentacles of the government (that's how it's actually written in the book too, lmao) and that he wants to take all the good little boys and girls away fso the rest of the world can bomb itself away before revealing that they're going to visit an artist then fly to Iceland. I poo poo you not, Ryan literally says "And I promise that you will be... enraptured." Give the man credit where it's due, he's got a good sense of timing.

We cut to Frank who is infiltrating Ryan's dock operation dressed as a delivery driver. It plays out like a Two Ronnies sketch, so it's an improvement on "I watched my mother's bony arse jiggle" Bill and his pervy ways. I think my favourite part is how he shoves a pillow down the front of his borrowed overalls to make himself look fatter. That's some A* improv buddy. Unfortunately for Frank, he gets too mosy and the guys he's trying to trick get suspicious. He leaves, but is even more interested in getting involved and loving up Ryan's poo poo.

We arrive back with Ryan and Bill who are going to see :siren:SANDER loving COHEN THE BEST ACTOR/MUSICIAN/MENTAL CASE EVER:siren: and to have a little chat with him. For those of you who have played the game, you can probably guess why. For those of you who haven't, I'll try to avoid spoiling a decade old game (Ryan hires Cohen to come to Rapture, oh poo poo!). There's a conversation between two blokes who imply that Cohen is either loving or killing young men, as they go into his dressing room but don't leave. This weirdly pisses Ryan off. Bill and Ryan pop backstage to see Cohen finishing off his act where he sings about rabbits or something. He's described as having a bulbous head and thinning hair which is unfortunate. Ryan stops one of the ladies that was performing the backup dance for Cohen (described as voluptiously Amazonian) and looks at her with hungry eyes. Her name is Jasmine, just so you know. Wink wink. Ryan calls her dancing stimulating, which means he definitely wants to dance with her. Nudge nudge. Also she apparently has a big talent that will pop in due time. If this is still too subtle for you, Jazzie here has huge titties and Ryan wants to motorboat them. Jasmine expresses a desire to be a bigger talent, Ryan fobs her off with elocution lessons and Jasmine is disappointed but still kinda turned on by Ryan.

Exit Jasmine, enter Cohen. Cohen checks Bill out, brags about some guy who isn't part of the game so gently caress him then starts talking about his protégés who are going to be taking part in a tableau vivant. This means they stand almost naked on tables in poses that replicate scenes from history while people eat and drink around them. This seems to get Cohen off. Just for the record, Cohen dislikes Jasmine. Anyway, Ryan makes reference to Rapture as subtly as he can, telling Cohen that he has a venue coming up with a "captive audience" (that's some gallows humour, Ryan) and Cohen fucks off to check on his protégés. Onward to Iceland!

Chapter 4 opens with Frank threatening Merton for info on Ryan's little gig. Merton apparently scored a job on a boat going out to sea with Ryan's company, but wasn't allowed to go under the sea or even know anything that was going on. This is obviously not good for Frank because the less you know about something the harder it is to rob it. The only thing Merton does know is that there is a gentleman who can possibly help. This gentleman's name is very familiar. Enter Mr Frank Fontaine! This Fontaine is legitimately a fisherman, and is supplying Ryan's ships with fish. He also used to be a smuggler. We know this from the game. You can probably also assume, from what I've written previously, that Fontaine the First (henceforth FTF for clarity's sake) does not last long. Our Frank decides to go take over FTF's business. We also find out why exactly Frank is so dead set on loving up Ryan's poo poo. Years ago, when Frankie boy was first running from the law, he got on a freight train that coincidentally had a newspaper with an article that talks about the newly rich Andrew Ryan. The photo of Ryan standing in front of the Manhattan skyline pissed Frank off so much he decided to take everything Ryan owned out of spite.

Frank for Character of the Year.

Flash back to Ryan and Bill who are flying to Iceland. Bill doesn't like flying because he used to be on bombers during the war as a radioman, and there's a graphic little description of him remembering a young Welsh boy getting dragged out of a ragged hole in an airplane as they were flying, despite Bill's best efforts in saving him. Okay, I feel a little bad about ripping on pervy old Bill now. Anyway, Ryan finally reveals what the gently caress they're flying to Iceland for and Bill reacts as expected.

quote:

You're taking the piss!

If only, Bill. If only. Ryan and Bill decide to retire to the onboard bar - what the gently caress, they used to have bars on planes back then?? - after some turbulence makes Bill freak out.

Back to Frank, bitches! He's arranged a meeting with FTF, who apparently looks a lot like Frank, and has had dealings with Frank before. Frank is putting pressure on FTF, telling him that the FBI is gunning for his rear end on drugs charges, even though FTF has been working legally for Ryan with no funny business. They arrange for Frank to pretend to be FTF, so FTF can hide out for a bit. Ohhh, FTF, you loving clown. Frank has already fired FTF's crew, and has recruited the helmsman to keep an eye out for interference. They arrive at the ship and Frank summarily knocks FTF out and robs him of all his identification. Frank then casts off to sea, and throws FTF overboard, letting him drown. Frank Fontaine, our Frank Fontaine, is born.

Chapter 5 focuses entirely on Ryan and Bill and their descent to Rapture. Ryan intends for Bill to take over the building and development, so it's important for him to actually, y'know, visit the site. They go down in a bathysphere, with distinctly less burning plane travelling down with them than Jack's trip. There's some talk about how Rapture was built (I may transcribe this entire segment for those that are interested, there's just a bit too much for me to add in) with Ryan pointing out the volcanic cone that powers Rapture. Just in case you were wondering how everything still managed to work after the Splicers hosed it up. Some shitheel called Roland Wallace is dragged into showing out dynamic duo around on a tram, and dutifully points out all the nice little features of Rapture. A less nice feature is the leak that springs in a tunnel they're travelling through. Pervy Bill jumps into action and makes Wallace take Ryan away as he tries to fix it. He doesn't manage to, but does manage to get dragged to safety by Ryan's strong arms. :allears:

A year on, and Rapture's just about finished! Ryan arrives for the first descent, met by Bill and some Welshmen who also helped build it. Ryan thinks about how awestruck his giant gold bust makes him feel, and mentally pats his back a bit. Imagine me rolling my eyes and making a jerkoff motion with one hand. Frank wouldn't do this poo poo to me. Blah blah, look at my pretty banner Bill, blah blah, play "La Mer" so people will really get that this is a city under the sea, blah blah I'm so great. Whatever, Ryan, you loser. The squad descends in the bathysphere, but sadly does not watch Ryan's home video on the TV in it. That's for the plebs to watch. Once they arrive at Rapture proper, Ryan promptly flips off the Welshmen and makes Bill show him around because really, who likes Welsh people? Sheep don't. There's some scenery porn description, but we see it better in the games than in the book. The chapter ends with some ominous words about Rapture's train organiser complaining that he needs more workers to finish the job, and Ryan dismissing his needs. Almost like Ryan is going to ignore a lot of problems.

Next time, we look at Rapture as it is settled! Still got that fishy new empire smell and everything.

White Coke
May 29, 2015
So our Frank Fontaine just decided to hate Andrew Ryan for reasons? That's stupid. His character works better without the personal vendetta, since its so transparent that the only reason he hates Ryan is because the author thought giving Fontaine a grudge would help flesh out the story.

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?
From what the book tries to say, Frank has gone through a lot of poo poo in his life, partly due to his own actions. I can kind of get why a person like him would want to have the wealth Ryan has. He's struggled through his childhood, and spent his adult life feeling like he's entitled to everyone else's stuff. He's literally Ryan's parasite. I do agree that takes away some of his bite as a villain, but I do like the link to Ryan's whole paranoid bullshit.

E: "Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow? NO! says Fontaine, THAT poo poo IS MINE, HAHAHAHA"

White Coke
May 29, 2015
Well its understandable that Frank would want to be rich having gone through a lovely life, but having him fixate on Ryan is just hackneyed. Has Fontaine done anything to go after Ryan aside from coming to Rapture? Fontaine could just as easily be pissed off at Ryan because's a rich rear end in a top hat building an underwater playground for himself and his cronies. It just seems that having Fontaine fixate on Ryan as his reason for destroying Rapture is designed to remove any potentially good motivations from his character. The story of Rapture is a utopia that failed under the weight of hypocrisy and vanity. Fontaine would be better if he were something other than the embodiment of the kind of parasite Ryan built Rapture to escape from.

Bobbin Threadbare
Jan 2, 2009

I'm looking for a flock of urbanmechs.

White Coke posted:

Well its understandable that Frank would want to be rich having gone through a lovely life, but having him fixate on Ryan is just hackneyed. Has Fontaine done anything to go after Ryan aside from coming to Rapture? Fontaine could just as easily be pissed off at Ryan because's a rich rear end in a top hat building an underwater playground for himself and his cronies. It just seems that having Fontaine fixate on Ryan as his reason for destroying Rapture is designed to remove any potentially good motivations from his character. The story of Rapture is a utopia that failed under the weight of hypocrisy and vanity. Fontaine would be better if he were something other than the embodiment of the kind of parasite Ryan built Rapture to escape from.

Yeah, the thing about guys like Fontaine is that they tend to be too self-centered to bother fixating on anybody else. They don't want to tear down the system, they only want to get rich quick, and they don't care who gets hurt in the process.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

I am loving the annotated backstory we're getting on on our Frank particularly how he hosed over FTF because that scene just sounds so amazing.

"Before you disappear you should gimme all your clothes and money"

"Thanks so much for doing this, pal"

Having a particular vendetta against Ryan seems weird and bad to me though for reasons people already said, then again it sounds like a throwaway element rather than a big part of the book.


White Coke posted:

Well okay, the joke is that Bioshock Two and Infinite are the same game because they both revolve around a girl whose name starts with an 'E' and is also called the Lamb, who is the focal point of a cult, the main bad guy and player character are parents to this girl, and they have to die at the end to unlock this messiah girl's true potential. Not so much of a Ha-Ha joke as a "how the hell did two teams come up with the same drat plot?" kind of a joke. And frankly I think Bioshock Two did it better, or at least not as terribly.

That is pretty true but Infinite is a million times better and I'll argue this with you at length in those threads assuming we get that far!

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?
I felt bad for FTF, because he's been knocked out and is slowly coming around when Frank pushes him overboard, naked and confused. Dude is slurring his words and begging for some pants, Frank, then you shove him over. :(

White Coke
May 29, 2015

EmmyOk posted:

Infinite is a million times better and I'll argue this with you at length in those threads assuming we get that far!


Infinite was more ambitious, and because it failed in its ambitions it came out the worse for it. I could probably make some sort of metaphor about a city in the clouds vs. one under the water, but whatever.

Oh, and how do the Irish accents in Infinite compare to Atlas's?

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

The game went off the rails a bit at points but i think they wrapped it all up nicely at the end. I can't remember any Irish accents so maybe that's a good sign. Was the slave from the start marrying the black girl Irish?

In this video we hear some stories I vaguely remember about Ayn Rand I heard on a podcast ages ago and get betrayed by yet another turret

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N1rTqm37MQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5R4Iu0fjZo

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?

EmmyOk posted:

The game went off the rails a bit at points but i think they wrapped it all up nicely at the end. I can't remember any Irish accents so maybe tha's a good sign. Maybe the slave from the start marrying the black girl was Irish?

I think they meant Burial at Sea, where Bookeractually Comstock and Elizabeth go down to Rapture through their bullshit portal shenanigans and meet Atlas.

E: Trust you to finally update when I'm at work :argh:

Roro fucked around with this message at 15:11 on May 16, 2016

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nutri_void
Apr 18, 2015

I shall devour your soul.
Grimey Drawer

EmmyOk posted:

Was the slave from the start marrying the black girl Irish?

Yup

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