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Indeed. Here's my radical opinion: terrorist attacks like these are horrible, and there are no excuses for them. At the same time, Belgium has obviously made various choices, for different reasons, that have created a fertile ground for these monsters.
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Just got a wsj notification that said three blasts. Has more happened or just standard bad info so close to events?
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:He is always shipping Nermal out to Abu Dhabi... https://twitter.com/GarfieldKart/status/712205346329075712
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France and Belgium have created insular Islamic ghettos where radicalisation festers. A Muslim kid in a banlieue doesn't flinch at killing Frenchmen because he doesn't feel French. Western culture can assimilate anything, but only if it gets its foot in the door. This Packer piece from the NYer a few weeks back is an eye opening read, even if you're already familiar with French banlieues. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/31/the-other-france
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Junkyard Poodle posted:Just got a wsj notification that said three blasts. Has more happened or just standard bad info so close to events?
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Junkyard Poodle posted:Just got a wsj notification that said three blasts. Has more happened or just standard bad info so close to events? 2 blasts at the airport, one in the metro about an hour later. But yeah, a lot of info is chaotic at best vv there was smoke and evacuations in 3 metro stations, they're all on the same (straight) line so it's possible that a bomb in one of them sends smoke to all three. willemw fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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Mar 22, 2016 11:20
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Junkyard Poodle posted:Just got a wsj notification that said three blasts. Has more happened or just standard bad info so close to events? At this point I've seen confirmed two blasts at the airport and one on the metro. I think maybe some people misunderstood and thought there were three metro attacks in addition to the airport ones? Obviously at this point in any event like this there's always a ton of confusion and conflicting reports flying everywhere. e: Also another broadcaster has now reported that nobody was killed at the metro, so that 10 dead there might have been wrong as well. The New Black fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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https://twitter.com/tarapalmeri/status/712221583373430784 https://twitter.com/tarapalmeri/status/712214166665338881 Apparently the reason there were reports of multiple blasts in the metro system was that the bomb went off on a train between stations and the blast propagated through the tunnels, hitting several different stations as it went.
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Police presser now: - explosion at Maelbeek with dead and wounded, but no numbers yet - everyone should stay inside as in indoors The New Black posted:e: Also another broadcaster has now reported that nobody was killed at the metro, so that 10 dead there might have been wrong as well. Some sites now say 30 dead in the metro. It's save to say nobody knows atm
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The New Black posted:At this point I've seen confirmed two blasts at the airport and one on the metro. I think maybe some people misunderstood and thought there were three metro attacks in addition to the airport ones? Obviously at this point in any event like this there's always a ton of confusion and conflicting reports flying everywhere. we will have no idea of the death count until at least 3 hours from now. hopefully the don't do waved attacks. LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/tarapalmeri/status/712221583373430784 sounds like they just had a bunch of different dudes drop a bomb at each stop.  fuckin ISIShttps://twitter.com/maryzimnik/status/712223277679161344 seems like the cops surrounded someone. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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The New Black posted:At this point I've seen confirmed two blasts at the airport and one on the metro. I think maybe some people misunderstood and thought there were three metro attacks in addition to the airport ones? Obviously at this point in any event like this there's always a ton of confusion and conflicting reports flying everywhere. the 10 dead in the metro attack comes directly from the Belgian fire department so it's pretty certain. EDIT: there's been reports of another explosion just now
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JMolen posted:EDIT: there's been reports of another explosion just now
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Jump from 10 dead to 30 dead? Jesus
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Toplowtech posted:That's my guess too, operatives seeing their direct leadership getting arrested and the police getting close starting the mission sooner than expected. Was the airport a convenient target or were there something public and important going to happen in Belgium soon. that would be a decent guess. its either that or a reprisal bombings for the arrested of the last paris attacker.
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lilljonas posted:Indeed. Here's my radical opinion: terrorist attacks like these are horrible, and there are no excuses for them. At the same time, Belgium has obviously made various choices, for different reasons, that have created a fertile ground for these monsters. Whoa
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if this was a "hasty" attempt to do something before they got rolled up by law enforcement, you have to wonder what they'd have done with more time and planning
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Toplowtech posted:That's my guess too, operatives seeing their direct leadership getting arrested and the police getting close starting the mission sooner than expected. Was the airport a convenient target or were there something public and important going to happen in Belgium soon. Nothing important at the moment afaik. We had a euro-summit last week and a football cup final last weekend. Seems to me that it's connected to the arrest (but I can't see Abdeslam as leadership from what we know) shrike82 posted:if this was a "hasty" attempt to do something before they got rolled up by law enforcement, you have to wonder what they'd have done with more time and planning Once you have the explosives, this kind of attack is not difficult to do I'm afraid. There are no metal detectors at that part of the airport, and the metro isn't very secured either willemw fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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UncleSmoothie posted:France and Belgium have created insular Islamic ghettos where radicalisation festers. A Muslim kid in a banlieue doesn't flinch at killing Frenchmen because he doesn't feel French. I'd argue that most kids would feel bad about killing a HUMAN, no matter their nationality.
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shrike82 posted:if this was a "hasty" attempt to do something before they got rolled up by law enforcement, you have to wonder what they'd have done with more time and planning Next week is the Easter holidays, traditionally there's a big exodus this Friday. So if they attacked then, we'd be talking about hundreds dead, half of them kids going skiing.
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willemw posted:Nothing important at the moment afaik. We had a euro-summit last week and a football cup final last weekend. Seems to me that it's connected to the arrest (but I can't see Abdeslam as leadership from what we know) yeah, didnt he wuss out at the last second or was he declared the "designated survivor" of the group by the ISIS dudes, you know the dude who will tell of their "heroism" to other wannabee shitheads. GaussianCopula posted:I'd argue that most kids would feel bad about killing a HUMAN, no matter their nationality. wahabism/any hard core sect of faith is a hell of a drug.
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Another explosion about 10 minutes ago per Bloomberg. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-22/another-explosion-hits-brussels-belga-reports
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/22/brussels-attacks-show-how-global-terror-networks-act-localquote:Belgium’s foreign minister, Didier Reynders, said on Sunday that Abdeslam had told investigators he was planning a fresh attack in the capital. “He was ready to restart something in Brussels, and it may be the reality because we have found a lot of weapons, heavy weapons, in the first investigations and we have found a new network around him in Brussels,” Reynders said.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, didnt he wuss out at the last second or was he declared the "designated survivor" of the group by the ISIS dudes, you know the dude who will tell of their heroism He wasn't in the IS video after the Paris attacks, so I'm gonna guess he wussed out vv Yes that was DOVO, the bomb disposal squad
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Another explosion about 10 minutes ago per Bloomberg. it was set off by the cops apparently. possible bomb disposal. https://twitter.com/maryzimnik/status/712223277679161344 this guy probaly
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willemw posted:He wasn't in the IS video after the Paris attacks, so I'm gonna guess he wussed out well i dont think he got out of brussles, but yeah i can believe that.
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GaussianCopula posted:Reported to be a controlled explosion by officials Wouldn't be surprised if there were quite a few of these, any bags lying around in those areas (or other potential targets) are gonna be treated with a lot of caution.
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duck monster posted:What exactly is it about Belgium thats put such a bee in the jihadi dudes bonnet? I mean, its belgium, they dont really get up in peoples faces, unless its to give them some tasty beer some cool old monks made.
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And now apparently "confirmed" (by the metro operators) 15 people dead at the metro. Only seen heavily blurred ones, but seems like there are some pretty graphic images out there
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Celexi posted:belgium is hosed Europe is hosed. The fear generated by this is going to get stoked by every anti-Islam politician in the continent. People are gonna double down on their hatred and life is going to get a little more difficult for everyone.
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FourLeaf posted:Can you explain why Belgium is so dysfunctional?
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Archer666 posted:Europe is hosed. The fear generated by this is going to get stoked by every anti-Islam politician in the continent. People are gonna double down on their hatred and life is going to get a little more difficult for everyone. The kneejerk in the other direction that is bound to happen wil probably not help either
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Volkerball posted:Speculation, but something to keep in mind. How dare those prosecutors? Why didn't they just cower and leave them alone?
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In international reaction news, from the Guardian feed:quote:The chair of the Duma’s foreign policy committee, Alexei Pushkov, tweeted: “While Stoltenberg, is busy fighting the imaginary ‘Russian threat’ and putting troops in Latvia, under his nose in Brussels people are blown up.” Stay classy, Pushkov.
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The Insect Court posted:No, it's insinuating they were wrong to not properly respect the specific cultural sensitivities of some imagined 'Muslim community'. Or the self-evidently moronic notion that someone who blows himself up in a crowd of civilians is just following a path that's the logical endpoint of being microaggressed against by satirical cartoons. It's the suggestion that terrorism of this sort is self-inflicted and condign punishment for passing anti-burqa laws.
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:How dare those prosecutors? Why didn't they just cower and leave them alone? I think this person meant that the prosecutors revealed too much information to the media which caused this cell to spring into action. Fear of being caught or something. I think it's far-fetched, though.
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JMolen posted:The kneejerk in the other direction that is bound to happen wil probably not help either Definitely. Both sides will rush to their stands further divide Europe with extremist remarks. It goes without saying that these things should never happen, but the timing on this is pretty horrible..
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