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If Trump defeats Hillary Motherfucking Clinton the GOP would pretty much have fall in line.
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Thank you knight for defeating the dragon that was killing and burning us, now kindly gently caress off.
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Kremlin Kremlin posted:quoting DNC chair debbie wasserman-schultz: “[superdelegates] exist... to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don’t have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists." debbie wasserman-schultz is a bought-and-sold idiot who doesn't understand the fundamentals of democratic process or how her party's bylaws reflect that process. EDIT: to elaborate, her admitting how she and other cronies subvert their party's electoral rules for their own benefit should not be mistaken as the actual purpose of those rules. Tricky D fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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Mar 23, 2016 16:50
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Current chair of the DNC is the former campaign co-chair of one of the candidates SEEMS LEGIT
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Mar 23, 2016 16:53
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Locker Room Zubaz posted:Dude he is not going to tell anyone in the establishment to gently caress themselves. He is not going to make himself vulnerable to be a lame duck, he might go against the GOP on some issues like free trade but he isn't going to start nominating Supreme Court justices his party won't approve because it will make him look bad. Trump is going to do what the GOP wants so he can do what he wants because otherwise it is a bad deal for both of them. He is going to compromise like crazy so he doesn't become a lame duck and that means being another cog in the GOP machine. Trump is not going to do anything that he doesn't want to do just because the GOP says he has to. He's already taken positions that go against 50+ years of conservative orthodoxy like opposition to "free" trade deals and huge permanent overseas military bases I'm not saying that he's going to disagree with the GOP a lot, but he will on some of their worst policies. I think the chances of him even seeking a second term are 50/50 because this is as much a vanity project for him as anything else. and he doesn't care at all about making GOPers mad at him or harming the party he's way outside the mainstream GOP on the national level and that is a very positive thing for America and the GOP. At the very same moment the Democrats finish their conversion into the Wall Street Party, the GOP is going to go populist with somebody that rejects a large portion of traditional conservatism as we know it. That makes sense and is something we should embrace even if we could never see ourselves voting for Trump
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Mar 23, 2016 16:56
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Young Freud posted:Let's also not forget that some of his foreign policy advisers have ties to Russian oligarchs and Putin. Considering that Putin had been bankrolling the rebirth of European far right nationalists, Trump might even be some sort of Manchurian Candidate that will end up selling out Europe to Putin's Russia. 
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Mar 23, 2016 16:58
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AugmentedVision posted:How can you not see that your conjecture is just as baseless and arbitrary as the people saying that he's a secret liberal? Who's to say the GOP doesn't wake up and realize that Trump is the way forward? (That's not my actual position, it's just another random possibility that has as much basis as everything else people are bringing up) The establishment already accepts Trump, they are already writing policy for him for the general. Trumps staff is all establishment from the tea party and the Bush years too. Even if he leads to a wave of Trumplites he has to make it through 2 years of the establishment in the house who will not work with him unless he does what they want, just like Obama did. Trump will get no support from the Dem party so his only path to doing anything as president is to work with the GOP because otherwise every EO he passes will get voted down by both the republicans and the democrats working together to burn the guy who won't work with either of them.
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Mar 23, 2016 17:01
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Mar 23, 2016 17:02
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City of Tampa posted:Trump is not going to do anything that he doesn't want to do just because the GOP says he has to. He's already taken positions that go against 50+ years of conservative orthodoxy like opposition to "free" trade deals and huge permanent overseas military bases Trump only disagrees with the establishment on planned parenthood, the war in Iraq, NATO and trade deals. He is not some liberal savior hoodwinking the party. The GOP is as much in the pocket of Wall Street as the dems and Trump will help those people with giant tax cuts designed by the GOP, look at the policies on his website he is as right as Cruz and Kasich on 90% of the issues and he will not snub the party because it is literally the only means he has to get stuff done in office
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Mar 23, 2016 17:05
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I have a hard time believing that Trump, if elected, intends to do anything beyond "be the president."
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Mar 23, 2016 17:08
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Tricky D posted:I have a hard time believing that Trump, if elected, intends to do anything beyond "be the president." Be the president and steal money from the US treasury to get himself out of debt, leave after one term. Or be killed or impeached before his first term is up.
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Mar 23, 2016 17:12
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The best part of this election is the establishment republicans underestimating trump as a candidate because they were glued to their TV sets for Jon Stewart's farewell tour.
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Mar 23, 2016 17:12
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exethan posted:The best part of this election is the establishment republicans underestimating trump as a candidate because they were glued to their TV sets for Jon Stewart's farewell tour. Establishment republicans don't seem like the type to watch Jon Stewart
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Mar 23, 2016 17:17
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Locker Room Zubaz posted:he has to make it through 2 years of the establishment in the house who will not work with him unless he does what they want, just like Obama did. Trump will get no support from the Dem party so his only path to doing anything as president is to work with the GOP because otherwise every EO he passes will get voted down by both the republicans and the democrats working together to burn the guy who won't work with either of them. this scenario is infinitely preferable to Hillary Clinton finding what common ground that she can with the Republicans and loving us twice as hard as Trump would be able to Locker Room Zubaz posted:Trump only disagrees with the establishment on planned parenthood, the war in Iraq, NATO and trade deals. He is not some liberal savior hoodwinking the party. The GOP is as much in the pocket of Wall Street as the dems and Trump will help those people with giant tax cuts designed by the GOP, look at the policies on his website he is as right as Cruz and Kasich on 90% of the issues and he will not snub the party because it is literally the only means he has to get stuff done in office no he's definitely not liberal, but he's not a fascist either. However, disagreeing with the mainstream Dem/Repub consensus on foreverwar in the middle east, plus opposing destructive trade deals does put him to the left of Hilary on those issues and they are pretty huge and important ones so I'm supposed to hate him because he's going to give rich people a tax break? Hell, Obama made the Bush tax cuts permanent after explicitly running against them in 2008. yeah it sucks but I'll get over it if it means that we aren't going to invade any more countries in the middle east and we will have legislative gridlock instead of Hillary making 'grand bargain"-style deals with the Repubs
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Mar 23, 2016 17:31
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Trumps proposed tax cuts are pretty huge, but he's also running on a platform of paying for the tax cuts by closing the tax loopholes that allow really rich people to basically not pay taxes. Everyone knows about tax loopholes but strangely you never hear politicians talk about them.
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Mar 23, 2016 17:34
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City of Tampa posted:Trump is not going to do anything that he doesn't want to do just because the GOP says he has to. He's already taken positions that go against 50+ years of conservative orthodoxy like opposition to "free" trade deals quote:and huge permanent overseas military bases 
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Mar 23, 2016 18:17
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Goons will do anything to avoid talking about Sanders winning some states.
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Mar 23, 2016 18:53
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emoji posted:He has always said he supports free trade. "I'm a free trader." "I am all for free trade." "I'm for free and fair trade. After all, I do business all over the world." When pressed for detail on his "opposition", he says certain terms of specific agreements benefit foreign sovereign nations at the expense of the US and they should be renegotiated. Ignoring that it would take longer than a whole term to even lay the groundwork for a new agreement and that the historically exceptional strength of the US's negotiating position naturally decreases every year with the global proliferation of information and technology, there is no evidence to support the belief that more favorable terms for the "US" means increased jobs/wealth for regular people over multinationals/small number of consulting firms designing better robots. Many of his supporters seem to think that because he attacks others on NAFTA and TPP that he opposes globalism or wants more unskilled labor or something. he opposes the TPP and that alone makes him much better than Hillary on trade, not to mention that he is on record being in favor of protectionist trade policy in the form of tariffs on imported goods which is something Democrats abandoned at least a generation ago. He doesn't have to find a way to undo the existing trade deals (although that would be nice) he just has to prevent the one huge nuclear bomb of a trade deal from happening, and I trust that he would do that. Anything else would be icing on the cake. also, he says that he would close overseas military bases and/or charge the countries that host them for the protection they provide. just saying that in 2016 American politics is almost revolutionary in itself. Yeah, I know that he also said that he would have the hugest, classiest military the world has ever seen. He's a bit of a wildcard on this issue. But you know who isn't? Hillary Clinton. We know that she will not cut a dollar or a single troop from the military, will escalate our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, and will advocate for military intervention as the first solution to almost any situation in the middle east. So I don't how she is supposed to be preferable.
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Mar 23, 2016 19:13
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City of Tampa posted:he opposes the TPP and that alone makes him much better than Hillary on trade, not to mention that he is on record being in favor of protectionist trade policy in the form of tariffs on imported goods which is something Democrats abandoned at least a generation ago. There are several people in GBS who unironically believe Trump will start WW3
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Mar 23, 2016 19:18
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City of Tampa posted:Trump is the most moderate Republican candidate since Dole, and is to the left of Hillary on several important issues like "free trade" and military adventurism.
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Mar 23, 2016 19:31
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Germstore posted:Trumps proposed tax cuts are pretty huge, but he's also running on a platform of paying for the tax cuts by closing the tax loopholes that allow really rich people to basically not pay taxes. Everyone knows about tax loopholes but strangely you never hear politicians talk about them. Maybe you're on 4th level irony but 'closing tax loopholes" is like boring campaign promises 101. Close tax loopholes, make the tax code simpler, really stick it to those IRS guys that nobody likes.
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Mar 23, 2016 19:36
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ThaGrandCow posted:
Just write in Sanders If Trump wins and there's millions of sanders write ins, it'll be funny as heck
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Mar 23, 2016 19:38
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City of Tampa posted:Trump is the most moderate Republican candidate since Dole, and is to the left of Hillary on several important issues like "free trade" and military adventurism. On the one hand, Reaganomics and neoliberalism have decimated the working class and shifted power into the hands of the wealthy elite like never before On the other hand, abuela yaaaaaas am I rite chillary memes
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Mar 23, 2016 19:40
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Judakel posted:Cuntspiracy
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Mar 23, 2016 19:46
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Locker Room Zubaz posted:establishment from the tea party lmao
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Mar 23, 2016 19:56
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notable Republican establishment figure Karl Hungus, of the powerful and well-defined seven-year-old tea party machineCommie NedFlanders posted:Just write in Sanders given how salty the Democrats still are about Nader "stealing their votes" I'm already jazzed for Sanders to become the Satan figure in a whole new religion for racist soccer moms
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Mar 23, 2016 20:01
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Don't be worried about Sanders supporters voting for Trump out of spite. I'm looking forward to voting for Trump but if Cruz makes it, I'm voting for Clinton. Either of them would be fine but Cruz inspires no positive feelings in me at all. Of course I wasn't enthralled with Romney either. Why doesn't Clinton just suck it up and in a few months get Sanders to be her VP so she doesn't lose all those millennials? Then again if Cruz does that for Trump after stealing the nomination to prevent a third party run this race will get even more interesting.
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Mar 23, 2016 20:12
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Crazy Mike posted:Don't be worried about Sanders supporters voting for Trump out of spite. I'm looking forward to voting for Trump but if Cruz makes it, I'm voting for Clinton. Either of them would be fine but Cruz inspires no positive feelings in me at all. Of course I wasn't enthralled with Romney either. the only way Cruz is picking anyone for VP at this point is if he kills Trump in single combat
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Mar 23, 2016 20:14
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i'm just gonna write in "osiris" and then move to the secret passage in king tut's tomb
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Mar 23, 2016 20:14
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:the only way Cruz is picking anyone for VP at this point is if he kills Trump in single combat
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Mar 23, 2016 20:21
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that said i too hope that bernie sanders will throw in his lot with the warmongering welfare-looting imprison-more-people-than-Stalin walking humanitarian crisis so we can introduce all the millennials to soul-deadening cynicism and get them to stop banging on about social justice and changing the world
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Mar 23, 2016 20:26
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To be fair, I think a lot of jail sentences in the 1930s USSR were commuted to death by firing squad or deliberate starvation.
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Mar 23, 2016 20:39
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I don't think it's fair to pin her mediocre performance in the recent years on her, as SecState she really couldn't mass execute citizens the way an executive headman can but she really tried her best in Libya and Honduras and all
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Mar 23, 2016 20:48
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Sans superdelegates (and perhaps even with them), it is also mathematically unlikely Hillary hits 2,383. Bernie can then use the convention platform to make demands like free nugz and full communism. There is a plan and I am down with it.
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Mar 23, 2016 20:48
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i've decided i'm going to smoke weed whether the establishment says i can or not  we didn't have to do this the hard way, but here we are
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Mar 23, 2016 20:50
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I look forward to trump bulldozing the White House and building his pyramid tomb in its place
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Mar 23, 2016 20:52
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I find it amusing that some people think they know what trump will or wont do based on things he's said. He's made it very clear that he says literally whatever the particular group he's talking to wants to hear (including you, you moron)
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Mar 23, 2016 20:53
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^^ He's the "Hope and Change" candidate for the GOP. ^^Yudo posted:Sans superdelegates (and perhaps even with them), it is also mathematically unlikely Hillary hits 2,383. Bernie can then use the convention platform to make demands like free nugz and full communism. She only needs 33% of the remaining delegates to hit 2,383.
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Mar 23, 2016 20:56
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Tricky D posted:^^ He's the "Hope and Change" candidate for the GOP. ^^ Without superdelegates she needs about 50% which is not impossible but doesn't seem likely. Getting over the threshold with superdelegates is fine, but generally there is a quid pro quo when that happens (see 2008). Hence the platform fight over nugz and communism.
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I guess when u think about it, it's like.. who gives a gently caress cuz the dems are gonna lose, you know? Who cares if they're picking candidates with coin flips or dice rolls or whatever
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