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What's hilarious? That Britain, France and the US actively collaborated with the NAZIs before, during and after World War II for the purposes of destroying the world's first worker's state? Read Jacques Pauwels, Guido Preperata, George Seldes, Michael Jabara Carley or Edwin Black if GlobalResearch makes you uncomfortable.
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OldMemes posted:
ISIS was created by America and is currently being directed, armed, funded, and trained by America's as well as its "allies" Israel, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Britain and France to effect the destruction of Syria. They are doing this in order to isolate Iran, Hezbollah and the Palestinian national liberation movement - since Syria is an anti-zionist state. The destruction of Syria will also allow the construction of a gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe through Syria to commence which would further isolate Western Europe from Russia and Asia and make them further dependent on America for oil and gas (since Qatar is not even a real country. It's a puppet of America). http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1571751,00.html http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/05/the-redirection http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2009/12/2009121274712823455.html http://www.thenation.com/article/applying-libya-model-syria-and-iran/ http://levantreport.com/2015/08/06/...y-of-2012-memo/ http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/12/how-the-west-created-the-islamic-state/ http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/02/05/isis-idf-link/
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Apr 4, 2016 08:32
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Anosmoman posted:The opportunity was there but the US/EU was all like "eh". You are a child.
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Apr 4, 2016 11:12
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OldMemes posted:It's a fact that Stalin and the USSR committed murder on a massive scale. You can argue Stalin's motives, sure, but otherwise it's like trying to argue that gravity isn't real, or water isn't wet. I suppose its perfectly acceptable for NATO+GCC to send tends of thousands of mercenaries to destroy Libya, Syria and Iraq so long as you personally find "literally nothing likable" about the heads of state of said countries. But yes, Stalin is a Bad Man. God Bless America. hEIL Hitler.
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Apr 4, 2016 11:19
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Josef bugman posted:Hey horselord, just a quick question but did the Cambodian killing fields not happen as well, or is it only Stalin whose allowed to get away with mass murder and ethnic cleansing? The CIA backed the Khmer Rouge in order to destabilise Vietnam. http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/10/16/who-supported-the-khmer-rouge/
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Apr 4, 2016 11:25
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OldMemes posted:Ah yes, Assad, the president for life who has torture dungeons, used chemical weapons on civillians, drops barrel bombs on schools and hospitals and brutally cracked down on human rights ebfore starting a civil war in response to protests. What a likable and heroic man he is, standing up to the big bad west. It's funny how you people feign concern for the 10s of millions of people that Stalin supposedly killed - according to CIA "historians" like Conquest, Kotkin, Snyder, et al - and yet you don't give a poo poo at all for the millions of people dying - right now - as a result of western imperialism. Who gives a poo poo that a quarter of a million Syrians have been killed by US-backed death squads. After all, Assad is goofy looking. Same goes for Gaddafi. Who cares about the literally millions of Iraqis that have been murdered since Operation Desert Storm. Sadam was a "bad guy" and the price was worth it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8. Milosevic was a bad guy too so let's drop the depleted uranium. NATO blew up a hospital in Afghanistan? Oh well, I'm sure they had their reasons.
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Apr 4, 2016 12:11
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OldMemes posted:
Uh-huh. Sure. US involvement in Iraq ""indirectly"" "lead" to the rise of ISIS. You know if we were having this conversation in 1942 you'd have probably said something like "well ofcourse Germany's involvement in Eastern Europe is a bad idea, but don't you agree that we have a duty to rescue the Russians from their Judeo-Stalinist opressors? Stalin's a bad guy who massacres his own people! Oh my god, don't you know that they have gulags??" If you think Assad is so bad perhaps you should fly to Syria and join one of the death squads there. I'm sure the media in your country will hail you as a "moderate" "rebel" and come up with all sorts of bullshit excuses for you. How dare you pretend to care about human suffering you liar.
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Apr 4, 2016 12:53
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OldMemes posted:Yeah, removing Saddam Hussien caused a power vacuum that lead to the rise of ISIS. Saddam was pretty bad, but not as bad as Assad. Your question is incoherent. What you and I think about Assad is of no relevance, since neither of us are Syrian citizens. If Syrians are dissatisfied with their government that is a matter for them to sort out. But you seem to want to have it both ways. On the one hand you feign concerns for Syrians while nurturing some racist fantasy of the president of Syria as being some kind of bug-eyed savage who needs to be put down by the noble white-supremacist empire. On the other hand, you are happy to see hundreds of thousands of Syrians butchered, and millions displaced, by US-backed mercenaries (the overwhelming majority of whom are foreign to Syria) because in your mind there is no distinction to be made between the population of a country and it's head of state. You've already decided that Assad is a "bad guy" (what a childish view of the world you have, and so arrogant too) and needs to be deposed (perhaps by a noose, like Saddam, or by being publicly sodomized with a knife, like Gaddafi) despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of Syrians support Assad http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/03/13/syria-dispatch-most-syrians-support-assad-reject-phony-foreign-revolution.html. Assad IS Syria, in your mind, ergo Syria must be destroyed, and the Syrian people exterminated simply to satisfy your philistine sensibilities. Perhaps in ten years, after the consequences are readily apparent, you'll claim that American involvement is Syria was "a terrible idea" while continuing to insist that Assad was "pretty bad" - Worse, even, than Saddam! But yeh, keep telling yourself that Stalin was a bad guy.
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Apr 4, 2016 13:39
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OldMemes posted:Assad has torture dungeons or political opponents, uses barrel bombs to inflict additional damage on civil targets such as schools and hospitals, rigged the elections, worked with ISIS to get cheap oil. Because the guy who thinks its ok to fill oil barrels with shards of metal and explosives and drop them on playgrounds is such a great misunderstood guy, and needs defending by armchair warriors in the west. Torture dungeons! GASP - good lord!! And BARREL bombs too! Why doesnt Assad use SMART bombs, I wonder, like the ones NATO uses to destroy hospitals and weddings in Afghanistan??
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Apr 4, 2016 13:46
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RagnarokAngel posted:Neither of those are good things you idiot why is this so hard to grasp. The Syrian people have a right to defend their country from foreign US-backed mercenaries. No amount of hand-wringing about "barrel" bombs and torture dungeons (as if the US does not have the worlds largest prison population per capita in the world, and the most inhuman "criminal" "justice" system to boot) can change that.
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Apr 4, 2016 13:56
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OldMemes posted:I'm not even a American. Yeh, sure. Tell me more about those "fair" trials that America's overwhelmingly black and brown prisoners enjoy.
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capitalism is superior to socialism. In socialism "innocent" people recieve "show trials" before being sent to "gulags". In the land of the free, people - mainly black and brown, to be sure - recieve "fair" trials before going to "correctional facilities" where they are "fairly" raped and "treated" - like chocolate treats! - to sensory deprivation and other forms of "enhanced interrogation".
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