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Since we've covered the existential dread of the midwest and the sheer horror of The Deep South, it's time to look at the best region in the United States that is not the West Coast, the Southwest. Which does not include Oklahoma and Texas and I will fight anyone who says it does. The view from the top of El Morro in New Mexico.  An ivy covered doorway in the Mayhew Lodge ruins in Oak Creek Canyon outside Sedona. Walt Disney stayed here once.  The Mogollon Rim by Wagner Hill in Arizona, if you like big, steep cliffs.  The Tucson Mountains in Saguaro National Park.  The Salt River just above Roosevelt Dam in Arizona. This is where Phoenix gets it's water.  The Aldo Leopold Wilderness just outside Silver City, New Mexico.  A pretty grasshopper hanging out near Fort Apache.  The headwaters of the Gila River in New Mexico. Geronimo was born somewhere around here.  Central Phoenix at night as viewed from South Mountain.  The Dolores River in Colorado.  A little canal outside Montezuma's Well in Arizona.  Aaloosaktukwi outside Flagstaff in July. There's always permafrost on the peak.  The Floyd Volcano field viewed from the hilltop ruins of Walavudu in Arizona.  The ruins of Casa Grande Compound A in Coolidge, Arizona. The only reason to ever go to Coolidge.  Kinishba on the White Mountain Apache Reservation during a summer rainstorm.  The pool at El Morro, New Mexico during a winter snow fall. The Spanish learned about this place from the Zuni and stopped here when going between old Mexico and Santa Fe, it's covered in Spanish, native and American carvings.  The Sierra Ancha Mountains and Schoolhouse Point platform mound ruins at sunset in the Tonto Basin, Arizona. So we've got a bit of everything not-coastal. We've got snow, mountains, forests, rivers, deserts and hiking. And loads of old, old history. But we also have something even better.  The skeleton of the dinosaur that killed Dennis Nedry. So post your pictures of the American Southwest ITT, post your stories and please don't judge us by Phoenix, those guys are idiots.
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du -hast posted:This is what them Southwest actually looks like. Rural blight is not unique to us, but yeah, the plateau has been p. much abandoned. Doesn't help most of it is reservation. Also, east New Mexico barely counts, that poo poo is on the plains. Texas and Oklahoma can go gently caress themselves.
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Mar 24, 2016 11:24
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Shaquin posted:seems to me you are saying just posts pictures of mesas A vast empty wilderness with Phoenix, Tucson and Albuquerque thrown in there. That's pretty much it.  Though  there  used  to  be  more  people. 500 years of disease and forced relocation tend drive the numbers down a bit.
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Mar 24, 2016 11:30
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Shaquin posted:Cliff Palace is rad as hell   Spruce Tree House and Long House are also pretty sweet.  Cliff Palace has this sweet mural though.
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Mar 24, 2016 11:49
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Shaquin posted:the united states are undoubtedly under a native american curse I studied archaeology with an emphasis in Hohokam, which is Maricopa County. The entire county, especially Phoenix, is built over towns and graveyards. I assume that is why we are cursed with Joe.   Pueblo Grande platform mound and the head gates of Canal System 2, the biggest canal system north of Peru prior to the Spanish. Both are right next to Sky Harbor.   Mesa Grande platform mound and the Lehi canals in the middle of Mesa.   Some petroglyphs and some red-on-buff ceramics I found on Hayden Butte, right next to ASU. Fun fact: ASU is built entirely over a village called Plaza Tempe and the stadium is over a good chunk of the graveyard. KiteAuraan fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Mar 24, 2016 |
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Mar 24, 2016 11:53
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Navin Johnson posted:Kiva's are pretty cool. Chill place to smoke out and no girls allowed. Great place to avoid female statements like "gather me a bundle of sticks" and "when was the last time you put venison on the table". You want kivas eh? I've got kivas.  Plaza kiva at Kinishba, AD 1250-1400. Western Pueblo/Mogollon.  Kiva at Badger House on Wetherill Mesa with a secret tunnel passage to a tower so you don't get trapped by attackers, AD 1258-1300. Mesa Verde Branch Ancestral Pueblo.  The Great Kiva at Lowry Pueblo, a Chacoan site from the McElmo Phase, AD 1085-1170. Chaco Branch Ancestral Pueblo.  The open-air kiva at Wupatki, this one is a bit different, women can still bug you here, AD 1131-1300. Northern Sinagua.  A little kiva in Balcony House. During the time of the cliff dwellings Great Kivas and other integrative Chaco stuff went away and you got lots of smaller clan kivas, AD 1250-1300. Mesa Verde Branch Ancestral Pueblo.  A clan kiva at Elden Pueblo. AD 1070-1275. Northern Sinagua.  A big rectangular Hopi-style kiva at Homolovi II. AD 1325-1390. Ancestral Hopi.  A circular kiva in the plaza at Atsinna on the top of El Morro rock. AD 1275-1350. Ancestral Zuni.  A square kiva built into the Atsinna roomblock. AD 1275-1350. Ancestral Zuni again.  A Basketmaker III pithouse. Not really a kiva, but ancestral to them. AD 650-700. Durango Basketmakers. Also, kivas can have some sweet murals.  This one came from the Knobby Knee site near Dolores. It's from AD 1193-1213 and is Northern San Juan Branch Ancestral Pueblo.  This came from a kiva in Lowry Pueblo. A bit older at AD 1060-1170, it's McElmo Phase Chaco Branch Ancestral Pueblo. Last there is a really nice one.  This  mural came from a kiva at Hopi village of Awatovi. It's from AD 1300-1500, so it predates the Spanish presence at the village and the destruction of it in a war between Traditional Hopi and Spanish suck-ups. It's on display at the Museum of Northern Arizona in Flagstaff.
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Mar 25, 2016 00:46
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FartingBedpost posted:I-40 takes you through Amarillo. It's the worst highway. The only part of it that's good before Flagstaff is Tijeras Canyon. I like the stretch of the 40 from the AZ/NM border to Gallup. The rock formations there are pretty. The entire Leupp to that point stretch can eat poo poo.
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Mar 25, 2016 03:26
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FartingBedpost posted:True, and a lot of beautiful stuff is north or south of Gallup. I drove past Shiprock at twilight once during a summer thunderstorm on the way up to Cortez. It was loving amazing.
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Mar 25, 2016 05:51
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The Rage posted:I'm going to be in Sedona in two weeks, besides Montezumas Castle and the Grand Canyon, what else should I see during my week there? Wupatki National Monument and Sunset Crater National Monument near Flagstaff, the Museum of Northern Arizona in Flagstaff, Montezuma's Well, the Verde Valley Archaeology Center and Walnut Canyon National Monument. If you have time V-V Heritage site is also pretty cool and there is some great scenery on the Mogollon Rim out west on the I-40 by Williams. Tuzigoot National Monument in Clarkdale and Petrified Forest National Park out by Holbrook are also worth it. Holbrook itself is terrible though, so yeah.
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Mar 26, 2016 05:21
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The Rage posted:Thanks! I'll start building some day trips out of this list! I also forgot the West Fork of Oak Creek Canyon which is a nice little hiking trail that goes through the creek right outside Sedona. It can be pretty crowded but it's a nice area.
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Mar 26, 2016 05:34
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hemophilia posted:Texas is southwest, and I'm even embarassed by that because New Mexico and Arizona is embarrassing company. There is no way that the parts bordering Arkansas, Louisiana and Oklahoma are Southwest, geographically or culturally. I'll cede maybe to Amarillo, but the rest of Texas is like, 3 other things. That stupid state has at least five distinct cultures.
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Mar 26, 2016 05:44
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On the topic of Conquistadors...  Juan de Oņate's inscription at El Morro that he made as he traveled north to found Santa Fe, and thus New Mexico in 1605.  Don Diego de Vargas' inscription he made in 1692 while re-conquering the territory after the Pueblo Revolt. There are also unconfirmed reports that Coronado left an inscription somewhere on El Morro, but the NPS has never been able to find it. The oldest known non-Pueblo inscription is Juan de Oņate's.
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