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I have always wanted to get into racing games of some type. Rally has always been my favourite to watch, so could THIS be the one?
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As much as I want to recommend this game to EVERYONE, I wouldn't recommend Dirt Rally as your first-ever racing game. Give Burnout Paradise a try, it's got the smoothest learning curve I've seen in any game ever and it's a whole lot of fun. 
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Mar 30, 2016 17:11
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Great Joe posted:As much as I want to recommend this game to EVERYONE, I wouldn't recommend Dirt Rally as your first-ever racing game. Give Burnout Paradise a try, it's got the smoothest learning curve I've seen in any game ever and it's a whole lot of fun. Oh yeah, I have played that a fair few times. I think what draws me to Rally games is the progression and upgrades. Having said that, I haven't really played a Rally game since Lombard RAC Rallly on the Amiga 500. It has been a good 20 years since I played that regularly and that's what I really enjoyed, the making money and upgrading.
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Mar 31, 2016 04:25
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For a value pick, Xpand Rally was one of the first third-party games to be released on Steam and remains a decent generic rally career simulator for $5. The repair/money managing in it isn't too punishing but I distinctly recall keeping mint-condition spare parts on hand for passing safety inspections, which I would then quietly replace on race day with worn-out poo poo that fell off the car as it drove.
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Mar 31, 2016 22:01
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You can also hunt down a copy of Richard Burns Rally, since that at least has a proper Rally School. You'll need all the skills it teaches you to play the game, though.
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Apr 1, 2016 23:36
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By the way guys. Clock's ticking. If anyone would still like to get their times entered in the league, they gotta finish today. edit: Remember that if you haven't finished all four stages and want to improve a stage you already finished, you can reset your event progress, BUT that means you have to repeat all of the stages you've already done. Great Joe fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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Apr 3, 2016 03:30
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Part 2: The Lancia Stratos (I must apologise, I came down with the flu so my nose got backed up and now my voice is all weird) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIVEbgjYH1o The Lancia Stratos is a lot of things: It's pretty, it's deadly, it's a lot of fun. From a game design stand-point it shouldn't even be here, it's like if they put the fight against Metal Gear ZEKE right after Blade Wolf. Sure, it's a lot of fun, but it might be a bit premature. In the video I try to explain how to account for its weight transfer, but you also need to know about the traction circle.  (shamelessly taken from this article on autospies.com) (again) The traction circle is a nice graphical representation of how forces can be enacted on one tire or many. In the best conditions, you can either push the accelerator or brake completely down, or you can turn the steering wheel as far as it goes in either direction. The force vectors for doing that stay within the circle. Combine two of those force vectors and you'll go outside that circle, that particular wheel stops moving as fast as the ground below, it loses traction. If you want to keep grip you have to use gentler steering or get off the pedal. Of course, you might WANT to get the back end further out in the turn, and for that it can help to get the back wheels outside the traction circle, but we're talking about the Stratos. Don't try to force oversteer in the Stratos, that's usually a bad idea.
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Apr 4, 2016 02:01
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Yeah, the Stratos looks like a ton of fun, you always have something to do when you're driving one it feels like
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Apr 4, 2016 03:34
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Ahahaha oh god I suck so much at RWD cars. I'm going to have to practise before even attempting the League stages or I'm going to DNF all of them via car-around-tree-wrapping. I actually skipped over a whole lot of classes when I started making my way through the game; I managed to finish a championship with the mini, considered myself "graduated" from the 60's and went ahead and got me a nice Escort Mk2.... which I spun out as soon as I crossed the start line into a tree. It didn't get better from there, I don't think I ever managed to finish an event, by the second stage the car was so banged up it was an even worst nightmare to drive. Someone in the thread suggested I try the 80s RWDs since they were a bit more friendly than the 70's monsters and I got through a championship with the BMW E30, but then I jumped to 4WDs (the R4 Impreza WRX2011, which I love) and haven't gone back to try other classes, since this is the first time I'm noticing I'm getting better bit by bit. Having the league is really nice since I'm getting to try the different handling styles even though I suck at it, but hey, we're here to learn, right?
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Apr 5, 2016 00:20
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Thanks for the Richard Burns Rally suggestion. The tutorial is really very good!
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Apr 5, 2016 02:46
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The latest patch just arrived. It's a big one.
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Apr 5, 2016 12:45
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Yeah, next update's gonna be on RallyX, since with the new patch your starting money can get you an old RallyX-able Mini, and there's another tier right between that and the RallyX Supercars. I know it's back in the 1960s, but would you be interested in hearing about the Alpine A110?
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Apr 5, 2016 14:08
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Great Joe posted:Alpine A110? Oh hell yes.
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Apr 5, 2016 14:09
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Early RallyX trip report: https://zippy.gfycat.com/TartNiceDormouse.webm At least with the RallyX Supercars you could shift early into second to catch up. I think this might just be a case of everyone having fully upgraded cars except me. edit: oh, pardon the high res Great Joe fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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Apr 6, 2016 22:25
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I'm making my way through a 1970's tournament with the Fiat 131 (I find it waaaay easier to handle than the Stratos, don't judge me). Following Joe's advice on the very first video I've been taking it really slow, just focusing on not loving up (and trying to keep that god drat tail from lashing out too much), and while I feel like I'm going slower than I usually go with the R4 Impreza, I'm actually finishing top 3 every stage. What's more, I'm usually below the split for most segments, the times I don't finish first it's because I messed up at some point and ended up losing 10 seconds trying to get back on track. So, it's been said, but it bears repeating: for better times, go slow. 
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Apr 7, 2016 02:53
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I'm really glad that my tips are helping you out, Edmond! As I've said, this LP is all about self improvement, and I hope that you'll soon get that first place in your Impreza.  Oh, and there's definitely no shame in using cars that aren't the Stratos. The only reason I chose to make the video about it is because it's such a huge beginner's trap.
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Apr 7, 2016 12:29
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For all my love of the Stratos, I tend to stick with the Opel Kadett in career because it's a bit easier to be consistent in. I think there's much less of a difficulty jump from 1960s to 1970s now though with the Alpine in there giving you a RWD option right away.
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Apr 7, 2016 12:35
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Great Joe posted:Early RallyX trip report: Actually mainly thats because you're spinning, hard. Launch at 5-6k. Or hell launch in second gear if you have too much power. if you notice theres a long while when you're not gaining any speed. (good god clutch dumps at 9k  )
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Apr 7, 2016 13:11
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5-6k. Got it. https://zippy.gfycat.com/AnchoredDeficientJanenschia.webm  This is one of those places where it'd be good to have a set of pedals and a shifter. Great Joe fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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Apr 7, 2016 21:58
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Well poo poo. I thought the game would be a bit more sane with matchmaking.
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Apr 7, 2016 22:55
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Great Joe posted:I'm really glad that my tips are helping you out, Edmond! As I've said, this LP is all about self improvement, and I hope that you'll soon get that first place in your Impreza. I had a few of the basics down (hah!), but seeing you taking it easy (and from the outside the car cam instead of helmet) and especially the comment about taking hairpins at 2nd or lower gear gave me a good speed baseline to aim for, and once I started taking the turns properly things just clicked into place. Now just gotta keep practising so I don't come in last on the league.
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Apr 7, 2016 23:06
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Just a heads up to everyone reading this thread yet not owning the game (probably just me). It's on sale on Steam! 
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Apr 8, 2016 02:18
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It's easily worth $45, especially since the only other notable realistic rally sim is an out-of-print game from 2004. Buy DiRT Rally and buy a steering wheel and buy a Track IR and buy a bass shaker and and and and 
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Apr 8, 2016 03:57
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Well poo poo. I thought the game would be a bit more sane with matchmaking. Honestly, I think the first thing I'd buy for this game would be a TrackIR or even some sort of HMD to use in first person. First person is counter-productive both in terms of player performance as well as immersion if you can't look into the turn in a Rally, or check to see the other cars around you in RallyX. As soon as you get head-tracking though, you'd be having a much better time in first person than outside view. Great Joe fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Apr 8, 2016 09:29
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Shine posted:It's easily worth $45, especially since the only other notable realistic rally sim is an out-of-print game from 2004. Buy DiRT Rally and buy a steering wheel and buy a Track IR and buy a bass shaker and and and and At that price point might as well buy a crappy hatchback and rally it yourself.
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Apr 8, 2016 11:50
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I've just bought the game because of these videos and because I haven't played any rally games since the old Colin McRae (which I barely remember playing). Don't have a wheel or anything though, so I expect I'll be utterly crap at it starting out. Not looking to spend more money now but just out of interest, anyone have wheel recommendations?
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Apr 8, 2016 13:04
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Just get the Driving Force GT. Great Joe fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Apr 8, 2016 13:53
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I'd like to apologize for how I've handled the league so far. I wasn't aware that results would just get wiped out when the season's done. 
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Apr 8, 2016 14:56
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Rigged Death Trap posted:At that price point might as well buy a crappy hatchback and rally it yourself. To expand on my point: Logi G27: £280 Ultra quality VR-capable computer: £900 Oculus rift: £500 That's £1680. That gets you something like this. Nice bit of 180bhp. With £600 left for seat, harness and tires. Whatever's left you can just use to get some better suspension from a junked car. Strip everything out and boom rally/race car. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Apr 8, 2016 15:10
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There are very obvious logistical, medical, insurance and maintenance issues to consider if you're going to drive actual cars, so it's not as simple as "buy an old hatchback and go rally."
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Apr 8, 2016 16:22
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Shine posted:There are very obvious logistical, medical, insurance and maintenance issues to consider if you're going to drive actual cars, so it's not as simple as "buy an old hatchback and go rally." Yeah obv but it was just a little thought. I mean yeah the car is pushing 125k miles, you def need better brakes, a roll cage, etc. Then by the end if it's not road legal you need a trailer, you also cant go racing if you have a slipped disc or similar problems. Maintenance can quickly be a nightmare so you need either drat good wrenchin skills (possibly fab skills) and a diagnostic tool or a mechanic you trust. But that stuffs boring to think about in a hypothetical. So I didn't. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Apr 8, 2016 16:38
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Trust me, if I could afford to go and race cars for real I'd be doing so.
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Apr 8, 2016 17:05
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Great Joe posted:
Christ almighty, £250 for a steering wheel. That's not going to happen ever. Maybe I can find a used one for cheaper, but I doubt it. Why are these things so expensive.
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Apr 8, 2016 18:43
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Look on eBay and you can usually find a used DFGT for about £50-60. Don't buy a Mad Catz wheel. Logitech stuff goes on sale fairly often, I got my G27 for £155 but G27s are in high demand a lot of the time because of their status as the best beginner's package (3 pedal set, separate shifter etc). There's also the Thrustmaster T150 which you can get new for £130 and is pretty well regarded. Also don't go crazy looking at cockpits and other setup stuff right away if you get a wheel, some of the fastest guys I know just have their wheel clamped to a desk.
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Apr 8, 2016 18:50
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Seconding a used DFGT if you can find one cheap. I got my dad a gently used one for about $80 off Craigslist. Though be warned that it's a very loud wheel; lots of clunking around when Force Feedback is firing. My girlfriend was about ready to strangle me when I was messing with the DFGT, but she doesn't mind the G27.
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Apr 8, 2016 19:06
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Put me down as another person to give this game a shot because of this thread. I went and gave the league a shot. I did about as well as I expected, badly. However, it was really an interesting experience driving a car like the Stratos after the Mini Coop. The difference between having understeer and oversteer problems was a very interesting experience for a newbie like me. I still found most the the rocks along the course though. I look forward to learning more about this game.
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Apr 9, 2016 01:57
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Always nice to see more people getting interested in this game, because it really is a good'un. Oh, would you look at the time? It's about time for Part 3: Rallycross 1600s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM3716opVZE I'm not ruling out revisiting Rallycross because the Supercars are very different from the 1600s. Rallycross is so far the only part of this game where there are opponent cars on the same road as you.  I touched on the PIT maneuver in the video, which was apparently invented by american cops somewhere in Virginia. It's still applicable to Rallycross because you force the other car to face the opposite way, losing them several places in the race. At no point are you penalised for touching other cars in Rallycross, and doing so is often very much in your favour. Experiment with throwing your own car's weight around, find ways to put that weight on other cars - it'll help you go faster and make others go slower. The other cars WILL crash into you (if you don't believe me: I recorded over 2 hours of footage and most of that is me getting hosed over by opponents coming out of nowhere to ram into me) so there's really no reason to feel bad for having a crash or ten if it gets you to first. Great Joe fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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Apr 11, 2016 00:53
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This is why I hate rallycross. It's almost as bad as hillclimb. The AI drivers are assholes.
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Apr 11, 2016 05:45
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I prefer to call them "rowdy". As soon as you get an upgrade or two, you're fully equipped to deal with most of the crashes coming your way. I honestly kinda like this rowdy play style as a contrast to full rallying.
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Yeah if you watch a real world rallycross race it's basically all contact is fair. Watch this race from Holjes last year and you'll see. Even when Hansen is DQ'd it's more for corner cutting than for the massive divebomb.
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