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Oh man you just finished A Horse and His Boy. It was a great story but the portrayal of the Calormen people was an unflattering caricature of Muslims. What should be done about this? Should you warn other people not to read the book? No because it's a great book and everyone should read it. Should you recommend the book but warn the prospective reader that there are some racially insensitive elements? Why would you do this? If you think the person might be turned off the book by your warning, why did you recommend it, and if you don't think they'll care, then why warn them? Pretty much the only reason to even bring it up is in a pathetic attempt to distance yourself from the problematic aspects of the book. Congratulations you are a coward. Should you write to the publisher and tell them to Bowdlerize the offending passages? Sure and while you're at it why not just get all your like-minded friends together for a good old fashioned book burning? Should you endeavor to recognize and confront prejudice in your own life so that you don't perpetuate it in your words and deeds? You should already be doing this I don't see what it has to do with C.S. Lewis. Like, I understand that it's important to recognize prejudice in fiction but, having recognized it, I don't really see any practical application of this knowledge. I get it that art is not immune from criticism but where do you go from there? Is it just criticism for the sake of criticism? I dunno maybe some goons can enlighten me.
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You left out two options. Tell people to read it Don't tell people to read it
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Mar 29, 2016 12:24
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Toadvine posted:You left out two options. Those are both covered by my first two options.
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Mar 29, 2016 12:25
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a book cant be racist what the hell man ive seen the pagemaster dont gently caress with me on this
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Mar 29, 2016 12:26
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Shaquin posted:a book cant be racist what the hell man ive seen the pagemaster dont gently caress with me on this The Frankenstein book was ableist.
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Mar 29, 2016 12:28
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hp livecraft wrote racist books and he was a perfectly well adjusted gentleman what are you getting at op?
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Mar 29, 2016 12:34
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My point is lol if you reject a book for its racist content and if racism alone isn't sufficient grounds to reject a book then why bother bringing it up?
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Mar 29, 2016 12:46
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lewis carrol was such afuckin racist in his alice books, what kind of bullshit was that caterpillar hookah, right?
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Mar 29, 2016 12:52
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i need to read the shadow over innsmouth again, thanks op edit: gently caress: beaten:
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Mar 29, 2016 12:54
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I grew up thinking swarthy meant something kinda grody or malformed maybe but nope just means dark, thanks j.r.r. (^= that said LOTR is what inspired me to believe in fantasticies and retreat into a made up world of magick awesomeness whenever poo poo got too real so what's a lil casual racism if it means saving me from adulthood and letting me be a stunted used tissue of a person FOREVER
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Mar 29, 2016 12:55
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lonesomedwarf posted:i need to read the shadow over innsmouth again, thanks op get on the new weird via ligotti or laird or else hit chambers or blackwood or aikman if you insist on the classics
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Mar 29, 2016 12:56
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lovecraft was trash in his own time and its not his fault he had to write to eat so everything is written for pulp serials and garbage
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Mar 29, 2016 12:57
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I'm too white to care.
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Mar 29, 2016 12:57
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Shaquin posted:get on the new weird via ligotti or laird or else hit chambers or blackwood or aikman if you insist on the classics ive read a little blackwood but didnt get into it. i havent heard of the others except maybe ligotti anyway ill put those names into a text file on the desktop and probably forget to look at it again so thanks
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Mar 29, 2016 13:00
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No, I simply jerk off to the racism.
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Mar 29, 2016 13:01
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lonesomedwarf posted:ive read a little blackwood but didnt get into it. i havent heard of the others except maybe ligotti anyway ill put those names into a text file on the desktop and probably forget to look at it again so thanks http://toomuchhorrorfiction.blogspot.com/ its a spread pattern but the man knows his poo poo
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Mar 29, 2016 13:02
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Spell out 'Problematic' in a bowl of alphabet soup and stare at it until the situation resolves itself.
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Mar 29, 2016 13:04
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book racist, so what?
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Mar 29, 2016 13:04
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Joust posted:Spell out 'Problematic' in a bowl of alphabet soup and stare at it until the situation resolves itself.
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Mar 29, 2016 13:09
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im calling for a day of protest and mayhem
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Mar 29, 2016 13:20
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dad gay. so what posted:im calling for a day of protest and mayhem I second this motion.
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Mar 29, 2016 13:25
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Yay for reanimator, for making a black guy sound like a wild ape. Oh and Lovecraft calling his cat Niggerman.
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Mar 29, 2016 13:28
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why would anyone read a book 
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Mar 29, 2016 13:30
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Wicker Man posted:Oh and Lovecraft calling his cat Niggerman. this was an incredibly common name for black cats at the time actually
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Mar 29, 2016 13:31
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He was an indescribable cyclopean eldritch noneuclidean cat.
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Mar 29, 2016 13:32
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Gatekeeper posted:I grew up thinking swarthy meant something kinda grody or malformed maybe but nope just means dark, thanks j.r.r. (^= I always thought swarthy meant a hairy pale skinned man, like an Italian or an Arab.
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Mar 29, 2016 13:36
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Applewhite posted:Should you recommend the book but warn the prospective reader that there are some racially insensitive elements? Guess I'm a coward then. In my eyes, it's morso telling the person you're suggesting the book to that the book is good in spite of its problematic elements. It's like when I recommend Dune and warn the person that it doesn't pick up till about 1/3 of the way in. I don't need to distance myself from Herbert's failure to get the ball rolling for so long; it's that I've had more than one slow reader ask me when the drat book I recommended starts getting to the interesting parts.
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Mar 29, 2016 13:38
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burn all books
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Mar 29, 2016 13:40
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Decon posted:It's like when I recommend Dune and warn the person that it doesn't pick up till about 1/3 of the way in. lmao
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Mar 29, 2016 13:47
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If you still read books written by men or white people you are part of the problem
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Mar 29, 2016 13:51
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go left
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Mar 29, 2016 13:57
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check rear end
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Mar 29, 2016 13:58
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Nauta posted:burn all books i like your swerve, but this wont work. i think through natural selection books have evolved to be burn resistant. theyre now electronic and in the cloud, which is non flammable iirc
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Mar 29, 2016 13:59
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i tried reading heart of darkness when i was in college. unfortunately i chose to read it in the cafeteria and even more unfortunately they were having a black history month event there that day. it isnt like anyone confronted me about it. it was just very uncomfortable to try to read such a racist book while a lady was talking on a microphone about how racism was bad.
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Mar 29, 2016 14:00
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books are the original dank memes.
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Mar 29, 2016 14:02
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Wicker Man posted:Yay for reanimator, for making a black guy sound like a wild ape. Oh and Lovecraft calling his cat Niggerman. Victor LaValle talks about being conflicted as a young fan of Lovecraft. http://www.npr.org/2016/02/29/468558238/the-ballad-of-black-tom-offers-a-tribute-and-critique-of-lovecraft In "The Ballad of Black Tom," he revisits "The Horror of Red Hook," but tells the story from the perspective a young black con-artist from Harlem. Racism and existential horror work really well together! E: I guess what I'm saying OP is you should write another book that can stand on its own but also subverts the themes of the original. Andenno fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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Mar 29, 2016 14:24
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It's okay if your book is racist as long as the movie adaptation replaces a white character with a black one and sneaks in a scene where they talk about how great the Koran is.
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Mar 29, 2016 14:29
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Put it back on the shelf and pick up another great book, like a collection of Joel Chandler Harris stories.
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Mar 29, 2016 14:31
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I don't understand why people can't appreciate The Turner Diaries for it's exceptional world building
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Mar 29, 2016 14:33
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Should I just mark it as "Read" in goodreads and give it a 3?
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