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TFRazorsaw posted:Can we not bring him into this anymore? Hey, you included him in the topic's title.
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Kurui Reiten posted:Hey, you included him in the topic's title. And as it turns out, he can in fact still hurt us.
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Oh my God, what? Christ!
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I must admit I am pretty fond of the Eggbosses. Which ones you did guys like the most.
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Kurui Reiten posted:Hey, you included him in the topic's title. well yeah, as a general expression of "he doesn't matter to the overall story anymore"
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Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog - Ken Penders Is Still Hurting Us
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MonsterEnvy posted:I must admit I am pretty fond of the Eggbosses. Which ones you did guys like the most. I want to know Maw's deal, but Axel's the one I like most right now. It's also pretty cool that we're getting some of Abyss' backstory in the latest Sonic Universe arc.
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I'm pretty fond of Nephthys and the collaboration she has going with her local Freedom Fighters. It's a nice little complication that adds a bit of color to the world but doesn't feel all preachy and self-serious the way classic Archie Sonic got whenever it tried to have nuance. Cassia and Clove are pretty good, too, for similar reasons. I like the Egg Bosses who are practical and utilitarian about being evil but still try to be good-natured otherwise.
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My top 3 myself would probably be. Thunderbolt, Cassia and Clove (I always count them togeahter for some reason), Great Battle Kukku XV
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MonsterEnvy posted:Great Battle Kukku XV Tails' Sky Patrol getting a look-in after about 25 years is pretty amazing.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Tails' Sky Patrol getting a look-in after about 25 years is pretty amazing. Tails' Adventure actually, but yeah.
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Larryb posted:Tails' Adventure actually, but yeah. Though the Witchcarters and Wendy also got in. And they are from Sky Patrol.
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Seriously, Battle Kuku is great just because of what was done with him. Before the reboot, he represented that third faction that Eggman and Naugus didn't. Eggman was all technical machine mumbo jumbo, and Naugus was all magic. Raw power.
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Yeah.   Stuff like this is probably why I like him so much. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Do you think Bean learned that from Kukku or the other way around?
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They probably did it to Bean first, then worked out whatever it was that made him "comic-wacky" before the Battle Kukku got it.
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Recently read this (on Wikipedia, based on an interview from a couple of years ago) about some restrictions imposed on Sonic the Comic in the mid-1990s:quote:• Halfway during Robert Corona’s tenure, a new licensing agency came up with new guidelines for drawing Sonic, which included the position, orientation, and the number of his spikes varying from each angle, the fact that Sonic’s pupils “always had to be touching some part of the outside of his eyes,” and the fact that they could never show Sonic’s teeth. Presuming this is correct, did any of this ever apply to Archie Sonic?
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Wheat Loaf posted:Recently read this (on Wikipedia, based on an interview from a couple of years ago) about some restrictions imposed on Sonic the Comic in the mid-1990s: There are many edicts in case for Archie Sonic, mostly stemming from the previous administrations mismanagement of the product. Sonic is not allowed to be in a relationship, he is not allowed to have relatives (even Uncle Chuck is referred to in his introduction as "Uncle to Some" to confuse the issue enough) He is not allowed to openly weep. Sega are pretty insane in the protection of the image of their protagonist, Sonic isn't allowed to suffer long-term defeats. His defeats must come in a way that don't show him specifically being beaten, and the few times that does happen, it's very rare it's allowed. Each issue of the Sonic comic is vetted by Sega, rewrites and art edits are requested, direction is given. It's the case of working with a licensed product. I for one don't always see this as a bad thing. The protection does keep Sonic strong, and characters are still allowed to fall for him, but him not being allowed to reciprocate keeps the plot from getting mired down in the loving love dohecadron gently caress messes that were the Bollers/Penders era's. But yes, Sega has many rules on what can/cannot be done. Who can/cannot be used (For instance, Eggman Nega is simply not allowed to appear. So even when he was a villain in the comic, he was always offscreen and referred to as just 'Nega') And it continues to this day. It is hilarious in a way. The awful writers are given the keys to the kingdom, and an actually good writer is now treated with suspicion on every issue due to the actions of those awful writers.0
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Sure, I've heard about that, but that's all about his character and the stories, which I think is a bit different from "Sonic's pupils must always touch the outside of his eyes" and "Sonic's teeth should never be shown". 
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Wheat Loaf posted:Sure, I've heard about that, but that's all about his character and the stories, which I think is a bit different from "Sonic's pupils must always touch the outside of his eyes" and "Sonic's teeth should never be shown". Oh. Maaaaybe? Definitely not in the same Period as the Sonic Comic as, let's be 100% clear here. Archie's artists couldn't draw for poo poo. The concept of a sonic character's anatomy eluded them.
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Don't a lot of those edicts seem self-defeating, in that they lead to exactly the type of bloat in the supporting cast that the other writers did? If Sonic can't have romantic or familial ties, that severely limits the kinds of stories you can tell with him, especially if he's not allowed to be sad or lose as well. So you give those emotions, ties, beats to other characters, and they CAN have the full gamut of emotions and relationships. Doesn't it risk the main character seeming like a superfluous cipher? (I realise Sega would probably pull the plug on the licence if that actually happened, but this seems like "Batman can never sit down" level BS).
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What's the attitude of Sonic fans on the Sonic movie being made? Are any of the people behind the comics involved at all?
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I doubt it, as far as I understand a lot of the issues with Sonic as a narrative entity, gameplay aside, is down to the fact that Sega US and Sega Japan had very different conceptions of the property and marketed it accordingly in the 90s. So the US branch had the whole Mobius/world of talking animals vs industrial dystopia concept that basically merged with the idea that talking animals could carry an action-adventure property that we got from TMNT and the like to create the cartoon and comics franchise. In Japan the notion was always much more comedic and set on Earth, much more of a slapstick Elmer Fudd vs Bugs Bunny kind of idea. I might be way off, but that's where all the Robotnik/Eggman stuff stems from, as far as I recall. Edit: By which I mean that if Sega are directly involved with the movie, they're liable to take it the Japanese direction. Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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Gaz-L posted:Don't a lot of those edicts seem self-defeating, in that they lead to exactly the type of bloat in the supporting cast that the other writers did? If Sonic can't have romantic or familial ties, that severely limits the kinds of stories you can tell with him, especially if he's not allowed to be sad or lose as well. So you give those emotions, ties, beats to other characters, and they CAN have the full gamut of emotions and relationships. Doesn't it risk the main character seeming like a superfluous cipher? (I realise Sega would probably pull the plug on the licence if that actually happened, but this seems like "Batman can never sit down" level BS). Considering that before these edicts came down, Sonic was trapped in nothing but relationship drama. No, it's fine that he never has to have a relationship, as for 'losing' it's all about interpretation. Sonic's lost a tonne under the new administration. Genesis Wave, Egg Grapes, Scourge, Mogul. It's just how you go about making him lose. It clearly doesn't effect the quality of the comic or the stories.
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Onmi posted:Considering that before these edicts came down, Sonic was trapped in nothing but relationship drama. No, it's fine that he never has to have a relationship, as for 'losing' it's all about interpretation. Sonic's lost a tonne under the new administration. Genesis Wave, Egg Grapes, Scourge, Mogul. It's just how you go about making him lose. It clearly doesn't effect the quality of the comic or the stories. Anything that gets as close as egg grapes did is good in my book. That issue was such an oh poo poo moment, even if you knew there was no way the people were gone for good. Rob Eggman looked terrifying as hell.
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Shinjobi posted:Anything that gets as close as egg grapes did is good in my book. That issue was such an oh poo poo moment, even if you knew there was no way the people were gone for good. Rob Eggman looked terrifying as hell. Eggman can be very terrifying, like when this happened.  Worlds Collide made it very clear, Eggman acts Jovial, but he's a murderous bastard. Wily may have hated Light and wanted to prove his superiority, but he never wanted to kill him. Eggman trying to murder him was a step to far. Eggman in the comics acts boisterous, laughs, smiles and then reminds you he's loving psychotic and not to be underestimated. Ian already talked about how much fun he's going to have with the Zeti scene from Lost World where Eggman swears to grow fat eating the Zoni's hearts. Onmi fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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TFRazorsaw posted:*Zeti I don't have Ratchet and Clank on the brain shut up.
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I think Eggman is a great bad guy because he's an essentially ridiculous character, just down to his name and his design, but he can function as a comedic villain and a dramatic villain equally well. I personally prefer him as a comedic villain but I think that's because I liked The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog when I was little and never saw SatAM, which was taking itself way too seriously. At the same time, I enjoyed his final story arc in STC in its Sonic Adventure adaptation, where he realised he was never going to defeat Sonic and just decided to give up and let Chaos destroy Mobius, because at least that way Sonic and his friends would die as well.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think Eggman is a great bad guy because he's an essentially ridiculous character, just down to his name and his design, but he can function as a comedic villain and a dramatic villain equally well. I was appreciating that, Sonic's villains were realising "We can't beat Sonic by beating Sonic but we can sure as gently caress beat him another way." Mogul realised that, in the end, he's immortal. He doesn't have to kill Sonic, he doesn't have to do poo poo beyond let time do what time will do. And in the meantime he'll annoy Sonic in whatever way he pleases, manipulating him and ruining his reputation with insignificant appearing schemes. And then live comfortably as a casino owner. Naugus realised that he couldn't beat Sonic face up. So instead he'd become the ruler of Sonic's home via political election, he'd make the world lose faith in him, and he would achieve his goals by subterfuge. And Eggman, after reassembling his sanity, just went "Don't bother shooting for Sonic, you wont hit him, aim for the others." And being willing to eat unfavourable situations if it means getting the small win, like ordering Metal Sonic to blow up Antoine. Did it achieve the ultimate goal? Nope. But it sure as gently caress hurt Sonic and made him suffer, and he can just rebuild Metal. It was interesting seeing his villains essentially all come to the conclusion "We aren't going to beat him straight up, so we'll fight him where he can't beat us." Also I never saw SatAM and didn't like it when I did, I have no nostalgia or love for it.
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I feel like Archie Eggman is the best compromise between the varying portrayals of Eggman. Able to flip between comedic and terrifying easily and naturally.
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Yesterday, Ken Penders tweeted a message in which he expressed his willingness to return to Archie Sonic for #300 and "restore (it) to its former glory".
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Hmmmm. I wonder if Archie is going to take him back... No. I don't see it happening.
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Fun part: Archie Comics is @ArchieComics, not @Archie. He just directed that at some empty account.
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So howabout Genesis of a Hero and The Case of the Pirate Princess? I've been enjoying both so far
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Onmi posted:No. I don't see it happening. Maybe they are looking to make a return to teen furry romance and infinite echidnas.
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:So howabout Genesis of a Hero and The Case of the Pirate Princess? I've been enjoying both so far The Case of the Pirate Princess has been good stuff. They're filling in some of the worldbuilding and character background gaps they introduced in the Shattered World arc's whirlwind tour of the new post-reboot setting, and they're doing it through the medium of fun banter and characterization, which is what these comics are best at. You couldn't ask for more out of a Universe arc, and Universe in general has a very high hit ratio for me so I'm pretty happy about that. The Chaotix Detective Agency is easily my favorite thing to come out of Sonic Heroes and I still can't get over what an incredible and baffling concept it is. That particular gang of misfit weirdos really has no business doing detective work, but they're doing it anyway, and the comics manage to make them appropriately bumbling and unlucky yet surprisingly competent when they need to be in a way that's very endearing. It's a tricky needle to thread and I'm pretty impressed by how natural and effortless Flynn & co. make their film noir pastiche feel.
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